clomid blurred vision

[potless]

hi I'm fairly new to these forums and bodybuilding in general.
at the end of my first cycle during my clomid therapy i started experiencing blurred vision first thing in the morning.
i am preparing for my 2nd cycle and was reading up on clomid therpy
here
http://articles.muscletalk.co.uk/clomid-hcg.aspx

it says to use nolvadex for instead but as I'd been following this cycle here
http://www.steroid.com/novicecycle2.php
i'd all ready been using Tamoxifen during my cycle and was wondering if anyone here could clear up what i should do for my pct.
thanx

[louiscypher]

hi I'm fairly new to these forums and bodybuilding in general.
at the end of my first cycle during my clomid therapy i started experiencing blurred vision first thing in the morning.
i am preparing for my 2nd cycle and was reading up on clomid therpy
here
http://articles.muscletalk.co.uk/clomid-hcg.aspx

it says to use nolvadex for instead but as I'd been following this cycle here
http://www.steroid.com/novicecycle2.php
i'd all ready been using Tamoxifen during my cycle and was wondering if anyone here could clear up what i should do for my pct.
thanx

Clomid is a nasty drug bro, if you experienced blurred vision you should probably stay away from it all together. Jmo. Maybe try torem hcg and an AI for your pct, are you planning to run hcg while on cycle? I highly recomend it if your going to be using supressive compounds.

[potless]

thanx for the reply, i was in two minds weather or not just to get the clomid anyway. so you cleared that up for me thanx.
but i was reading swifto's sticky on pct and i'm not 100 percent confident on hcg and its directions of use.
is it taken with insulin and is it injected into the fat instead of the muscle
ps how much should i need to cover a 12 week course
haven't decided yet weather to do sus/deca/dbol or trentest/dbol
or if someome would point me in the direction of a detailed course that they'd recommend, that had hcg in it.
ps i'm in the uk where can i get my blood work tested.

[louiscypher]

thanx for the reply, i was in two minds weather or not just to get the clomid anyway. so you cleared that up for me thanx.
but i was reading swifto's sticky on pct and i'm not 100 percent confident on hcg and its directions of use.
is it taken with insulin and is it injected into the fat instead of the muscle
ps how much should i need to cover a 12 week course
haven't decided yet weather to do sus/deca/dbol or trentest/dbol
or if someome would point me in the direction of a detailed course that they'd recommend, that had hcg in it.
ps i'm in the uk where can i get my blood work tested.

Ok here goes. Hcg is not taken with insulin. By that I mean it does not have any synergistic characteristics with insulin that I know of. Hcg is administered either via I'm injection or sub q. I take my shots sub q in the belly. Exactly the same pin and method used for an insulin injection. Pinch the belly fat and inject into the roll of skin. I have a good layer of fat there so its easy. Some guys mix hcg in with their 2 x week shots if they are doing a long estered steroid. From what I've gathered between 250 and 500 iu's twice a week will be sufficient to keep your testicles producing testosterone. I personally have never run hcg on cycle and paid the price. I did use hcg with excellent results in my pct, but, if I had it to do over again I would have run it throughout my whole cycle to maintain testicular function and size. Some guys run it during and after their cycle with good success. So basically, no this is just my opinion, it would be very beneficial to run hcg at 250 to 500iu's twice weekly while on cycle and for pct I would try 500iu's a day for 10 days, some guys do 1000iu's a day for ten days and are having good results. It would be wise to run an AI as well, I personally did not but it was because I couldn't get my hands on any. Hcg will almost double your natural test production so armatization is a very common side effect and can cause gyno and estrogen related side effects. I'm by no means an expert and I encourage you to do more research, but, this imo would be a good protocol for you. I would also run torem rather than nolva and clomid during pct. Nolva and clomid are both cancer causing agents and are more dangerous than most aas in my opinion. Torem is less toxic, and you seem to be susceptible to sides.

[j4ever41]

first question i ask is what dose was the clomid? Next thing is you say you are new to bodybuilding in general? but you are already running aas? what are your stats and training history?

[potless]

33 male 10%b/fat 85kg
i've always done one sport or another since i was 4yrs, but two years ago i hurt the Sciatic nerve on my back my doc recommended starting the gym instead of contact sports, after 18 months i done my first course.
i took 6 clomid tablets which i believe was 300mg the first day (two weeks after my last shot) and 2 (100mg) for about the next 10 days before i quit because of blurred vision.
i trust my supplier to get me proper kit, but when i asked him about Tamoxifen and clomid he advised me that i didn't need it but was still able to get me it.
so his advice isn't the best.
1 last question 500iu = how many units on a 1 mil syringe

[louiscypher]

33 male 10%b/fat 85kg
i've always done one sport or another since i was 4yrs, but two years ago i hurt the Sciatic nerve on my back my doc recommended starting the gym instead of contact sports, after 18 months i done my first course.
i took 6 clomid tablets which i believe was 300mg the first day (two weeks after my last shot) and 2 (100mg) for about the next 10 days before i quit because of blurred vision.
i trust my supplier to get me proper kit, but when i asked him about Tamoxifen and clomid he advised me that i didn't need it but was still able to get me it.
so his advice isn't the best.
1 last question 500iu = how many units on a 1 mil syringe

Depends on how much water you re constitute it with. If it comes with solvent don't use it, get some bacteriostatic water, your hcg will keep up to 30 days in it if refrigerate. So let's just say you have 5000 iu's in a vial and you use 2.5 mils of bw you will have a strength of 2000iu's per ml. Just do the math. Generally insulin pins, which I use, will only hold 1ml so mix it strong enough so your dose will fit in the syringe. Be careful when mixing your water in, let it run gently down the side of the bottle, if you make the hcg foam up you can destroy it. Good luck bro.

[potless]

thanx you louiscypher for taking the time to explain everything to me,
i'm gonna stick some on my order, once i receive it i'll refer back till this post i think it'll all make more sense then.
regards Pótless

[louiscypher]

thanx you louiscypher for taking the time to explain everything to me,
i'm gonna stick some on my order, once i receive it i'll refer back till this post i think it'll all make more sense then.
regards Pótless

No prob bro. Keep us posted.

[Swifto]

hi I'm fairly new to these forums and bodybuilding in general.
at the end of my first cycle during my clomid therapy i started experiencing blurred vision first thing in the morning.
i am preparing for my 2nd cycle and was reading up on clomid therpy
here
http://articles.muscletalk.co.uk/clomid-hcg.aspx

it says to use nolvadex for instead but as I'd been following this cycle here
http://www.steroid.com/novicecycle2.php
i'd all ready been using Tamoxifen during my cycle and was wondering if anyone here could clear up what i should do for my pct.
thanx

What was the dose of Clomid?

[potless]

@swifto
"i took 6 clomid tablets which i believe was 300mg the first day (two weeks after my last shot) and 2 (100mg) for about the next 10 days before i quit because of blurred vision"

i only expericenced blurred vision first thing in the morning, this occured after my first dose, really bad had to feel my way about the house, it was a nightmare driving to work (joke was away within 30 min and i dont drive till work)
may have started too soon after cycle but think i'll stick to louiscypher advice and try hcg torem

[cybernox]

@swifto
"i took 6 clomid tablets which i believe was 300mg the first day (two weeks after my last shot) and 2 (100mg) for about the next 10 days before i quit because of blurred vision"

i only expericenced blurred vision first thing in the morning, this occured after my first dose, really bad had to feel my way about the house, it was a nightmare driving to work (joke was away within 30 min and i dont drive till work)
may have started too soon after cycle but think i'll stick to louiscypher advice and try hcg torem

300mg first day!!!! really ?. I thought the cycle was:

100/50/50/50

who told you to take 300mg on first day ?

[Swifto]

There's your problem then.

300mg in a single dose is enough to give most occular problems.

I advise 100mg as an initial dose in the first 5-7 IF he user can tolerate it. But 50mg/ED is fine for the first 5-7 days, then 25mg/ED.

[themoreyouknow]

Some guys in other forums say you should take 300mg on your first day of pct, but that seems a bit excessive to me..

[cybernox]

Some guys in other forums say you should take 300mg on your first day of pct, but that seems a bit excessive to me..

Thats BS. 300mg = Biggest stupidity anyone can ever do. Normal doses are :


Clomid: 100/50/50/50 ( week1/week2/week3/week4 )

so prefer doing: 100/50/25/25

[Swifto]

The largest dose I've seen using Clomid is 150mg in one study. I have no idea where this 300mg dose every came from.

[ghettoboyd]

its sad really there are a lot of boards where the mods a vip's have no clue and are giving some bunk advise....they are usualy source boards....you cant go wrong here at ar cus the peeps here are all about educating rather than trying to sell you something....this board by far has the most knowledgable,experianced peeps on the net...

[j4ever41]

yeah bro thats your problem,dose way to high,like swifto said im sure you do well to start with 50 then onto 25

[cybernox]

The largest dose I've seen using Clomid is 150mg in one study. I have no idea where this 300mg dose every came from.

Even I've read about blurry vision on clomid and that it can be permanent. Most of this I've read is on women. I was afraid while on 100mg. Still I got no side effects at all. 300mg is overdose.

[potless]

i got it from steriod.com
here's a link
http://www.steroid.com/novicecycle2.php

[cybernox]

i got it from steriod.com
here's a link
http://www.steroid.com/novicecycle2.php

wtf. 300mg is really an overdue. I've never seen 300mg prescribed to anyone on the forums. I dont know about the page. Well I think a vet can shed some more light on this.

[potless]

i think i'm gonna stick wuth the hcg and torem, dont think that clomid agreed with me the last time.
if i run the hcg in cycle what should i take for gyno

[Walnutz]

i think i'm gonna stick wuth the hcg and torem, dont think that clomid agreed with me the last time.
if i run the hcg in cycle what should i take for gyno

To help control gyno while on cycle you need an ai like letro, arimidex, or exemestane.

[Swifto]

The vision sides from Clomid and Tamox are real, but its VERY rare for them to be permanent.

Both compounds have been research in studies lasting over 10 years without a single adverse side effect, including occular and retinal toxicity.

[potless]

thanx everyone for your help
i appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions.
i believe now i have a better knowledge of what i shoping for.