New Guy - 1st Cycle - Info Plz

[gypsy]

Hi all,

Looking to do a first cycle, been training 4 times a week on weights for a bit over a year now, previous to that I was doing years of martial arts, etc.. eating 3000-3500 calories a day currently, plenty of carbs and protein.

Age: 27
Height: 6'1
Current Weight: 198lbs
Training Experience: 1 year
Cycle History: 0
Body Fat: around 11%

My goal is to gain a few more lbs and put on some bulk, quite tall and slim so wanting to get more in proportion, I have done pretty well coming up from 163lbs to my current 198lbs in the past 1.5 years (eating well and training). I would like to lower my BF % eventually, but really bulk up is my priority.

I think I can get my hands on Deca & Test, maybe some dbol too, looking for some suggestions as to what to go for? I really have no idea of doses etc either - so very much a newbie to this.

also have the puffy nipple issue whilst warm, but when im cold they are normal, not sure if a lower BF % will help me or what?

sure you get many of these threads, but though I would start my own to get a bit of info, great site you have hear and heaps of info... thanks guys.

[bjohnson1968]

I would suggest you do some research and learn as much as you can
Put your own cycle together then come back and ask for help with cycle critique

Peace

[matt77]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

[Family Guy]

matt77 that was a nice frame.... are u in to Asian girls to

[an@bol1x]

400 - 500mg of test per week for 10-12 weeks should be good.. no need to stack on your first cycle. I like to keep them longer as it takes a little more time to kick-in on my body when using long-estered compounds.. for most people 10 weeks should be ok I guess

[ghettoboyd]

400 - 500mg of test per week for 10-12 weeks should be good.. no need to stack on your first cycle. I like to keep them longer as it takes a little more time to kick-in on my body when using long-estered compounds.. for most people 10 weeks should be ok I guess

i know your new and want to help but as this is an educational forum, a lot of us like for the person to do there own reasurch so thay can understand the compounds and how to use them succesfully rather than parroting info that he can learn just by reading the educational threads here...not that your advise is bad but it whould be great if the op actually learned more than what to take....also pct is just as important as the cycle itself and you made no mention to that.....just sayin'....

[gypsy]

400 - 500mg of test per week for 10-12 weeks should be good.. no need to stack on your first cycle. I like to keep them longer as it takes a little more time to kick-in on my body when using long-estered compounds.. for most people 10 weeks should be ok I guess

thanks matey,,

chers matt, just reading that now, looks like I will go with something very similar. so guess I will ditch the deca for now?

dont know much about the pct or where to get this stuff but will do a bit of research.

[big_ron]

thanks matey,,

chers matt, just reading that now, looks like I will go with something very similar. so guess I will ditch the deca for now?

dont know much about the pct or where to get this stuff but will do a bit of research.

take a bit more time and get your diet and training in order 1st, or else you can end up wasting your gear and time, if these things arnt correct you will loose most of your gains and be dispointed.

pct nolva and clomid you can buy from AR-R there is a banner at the top of this site which will help you out, when the time comes.

when you are ready make sure you have planned it properly and have EVERYTHING you need before you start.

but 1st stick around and read,read,read

best of luck

[bjohnson1968]

nothing like spoon feeding OP you need more research get a good understanding of pct not just what your told what you understand yourself same with test dosing, injection frequency, how you control estrogen related side effects cycle length diet and so on
You need to clearly understand all aspects b4 jumping into the aas world

Peace

[gypsy]

Also if a person had gyno as a teenager naturally, does this mean they will be more at risk of developing gyno during a cycle?

[Solomon]

Also if a person had gyno as a teenager naturally, does this mean they will be more at risk of developing gyno during a cycle?

I'm not sure, I had gyno as a teenager and I haven't had a problem yet.

[rbg]

Firstly, I'm not advising you to take AAS, but what I write here is what I know about using it.

People who take test, or any aromatising steroid, should Keep nolvadex on hand before they start a cycle, just in case. Personally I believe people should get all their PCT before starting in case there's a delay in getting it.

People should know the risks before they begin, there's a risk of having to require TRT for their entire life in some form after using AAS? Just an FYI, people should start on a low dose. To not jump in with heavy doses, otherwise it's very difficult to handle the off cycle and people tend to lose alot more of their gains, even on pct.

As an example it has been known for people to start off with orals. (I used Pronabol 5's...yeah I know...years ago). To do a few cycles of those to prep the body, then move onto Anapolon 50's. Then make the transition onto injectables.

I have known personally people to be on only 250mg testoviron, and 100mg once per week....and still bench over 400, and 600 d lift, and only lose 5 or 6 pounds off cycle. What I'm getting at, is that is wasn't bottled strength alone.

Gear only helps a person recover faster, it won't make a person huge on it's own, though I gather you know this. Thus there's no need to jump in heavy with 500mg etc, and I personally would not stack on first cycle.

Once a person starts using test, it will likely mess up the persons HPTA. Inevitably people need to increase what they start off injecting to replace what they stop producing. There's a risk of hypogonadism, it's known as ASIH or Anabolic Steroid Induced Hypogonadism. Get familiar with all the side effect risks. It's impotant to stick to the cycles and to not cave in and stay on continuously...it'll mess up the AR (androgen receptors).

If a person starts low...say 200/250mg of test per week...they should notice good gains..especially a person in their mid 20's who already has a high endogenous test production. Test Cyp has a good half life, and can stay pretty stable on a weekly shot.
I know this because this is what I use, by prescription now for TRT.

I believe cycles of 10 weeks on 3weeks off.....nolvadex on hand before the cycle is started.

If a person chooses to do orals to start off, I believe it to be a 6 weeks on, 3 weeks off cycle....and to never go more than 6 weeks on orals. Too toxic.

I know many people may not agree with what I write here, some may say more, it's just my opinion, but why start higher doses when it is not necessary in the beginning...I understand, through personal knowledge, that coming off 250mg test first time after 10 weeks is alot easier than coming off 500mg.

A person should get used to the on/off cycles first, before considering upping doses.

There's a few things I've written here that a person determined to undergo a cycle of AAS should nerd up on before beginning.
1) Understand the effects and risks of Hypogonadism, and all other side effects of using AAS
2) Where and how to do a Intramuscular injection, and the risk and symptoms of an infection.
3) The importance of cycling (meaning how long to stay on, and why you must have a break, or off cycle)
4) Post Cycle Therapy - what are HCG and Clomid used for and correct doses. Including when to use them
5) The effects of Estrogen, Estradiol, and how synth test affects your LH and FSH, and SHBG (if you don't know what these are...you're not ready yet!!)
6) Make sure you drink plenty of water on test...as you'll piss like a racehorse and frequently
7) Test affects cholesterol, and Blood pressure. Personally it makes mine better..but I'm now on TRT...due to ASIH.... (ASIH caused my bp and cholesterol). Get these checked regularly.
8) You'll likely get a bit of a mild headache when you start injecting test. It usually goes. If it don't, get checked out for blood pressure, etc.
9) find yourself a very willing partner....or a few of them...lol..
10) If you're determined to use them, start off low doses. it's your body at risk, and you only get one of 'em.

Know I'll give you a personal history.

I started on orals in 1993 in the UK. It's legal to possess and use AAS for personal use there without a prescription. I started off taking 4 pronobol 5mg per day moving upto 6 per day for the first 6 week cycle. Then had an off cycle of three weeks. Most of the gains were water, but the strength continuously increased and fast. I would lose half my gains in the off cycles. I did this a number of times until I was taking 10x 5mg pronobols per day. Then I moved onto Anapolon 50mg......these are very strong. Lots of gains in muscle and strength, but very toxic. These made me aggressive.
I did two cycles of Anapolons and then made the transition to injectables.
I started off with 250mg Testoviron once per week...that's it. No orals.
I made steady gains and leaned out more, even on test. I did two cycles of this, and then added 100mg Primobolan once per week. I never took more than this amount, and yet I was a lean 250 pounds @ 5'10' and could bench 400 and dl over 500lbs. I would occasionally add Clenbuterol to my cycles.

I took all of the anti estrogens, and PCT. I stopped training in 1996.
My endogenous testosterone production did come back, but nowhere near where it was.
It has steadily reduced year after year, and now at only 38 years old..I have the serum test level of only 141ng/dl.........this is the equivalent of a sick 90 year old.

Luckily I produced just enough ten years ago to be able to father 3 kids.
Now I am on permanent TRT......and thankfully now get my Testosterone by prescription, but that is with nearly 15 years of mood swings due to fluctuating test production, depression, and anxiety caused by hypogonadism, and lethargy, and severe fatigue, all this before I could get anyone to check my T level.

I have known people to be misdiagnosed as bipolar before it's identified that hypogonadism is the cause of all their symptoms.

I write this to make sure you understand the importance of maintaining your post cycle therapy, and should you ever stop using AAS, make sure you get your levels regularly checked, and maybe a series of HCG injections for a number of months will bring it all back if you're still young enough.

This is why many people who start using AAS, need to understand it is a life changing decision, and possibly a life long one

Good luck

[gypsy]

thanks matey..

Ok - I am getting a 10ml vial of Test and some dbol, I don't have the gear yet but confident of the source, also unsure how many ml/mg it is. will a 10ml be enough for a 10 week cycle?

[eljay]

500mg of test for 10 weeks is the best beginner cycle for you.
Dbol isnt mandatory on a beginner cycle although it is good to kickstart a cycle.
what is your PCT?

[gypsy]

Clomid & Nolva

and will keep Letro on hand incase of gyno.

will I still get the same results without the dbol? not exactly sure if I can get some dbol yet.

[eljay]

you will get the same results although it is your first cycle so you dont need dbol. dbol is good to stack with and to kickstart your cycle. if your going with dbol go 25 mg ED for 4 weeks. no longer than 4 weeks to kickstart your cycle.

good luck and keep us posted

[skinnyd]

1st cycle I would do Test only to see how your body reacts to it.

500mg/per week 10-12 weeks

Pin 2 x per week, exp Sun 250mg and Wed 250mg.

I would have your PCT on hand prior to starting your cycle in case you experience any sides. Nolva Clomid, Adex.

Hope that helps.

[eljay]

i agree with skinnyd.

only do test for first cycle at 500mg/week for 10 weeks.

good luck bro

[gypsy]

thanks for all the help boys. yes ordering my pct well before I start the cycle to ensure it will come through customs, etc.

[gypsy]

I have got a 10ml vial of test 400 which consists of;
test prop 100
test deca 200
test cypi 100

would this be suitable for a first cycle and should it be injected twice a week still?

Thanks

[arshigtx]

You dont really have a lot of training under your belt. You should definitely wait atleast 2 years before thinking of cycling. Also, judging by your stats it looks like youve still got plenty of room for more natural gains.

But if youre going to go through with it anyways be careful as you are prone to damaging your joints because they are not adequately prepared for anabolics.

[MACHINE5150]

I have got a 10ml vial of test 400 which consists of;
test prop 100
test deca 200
test cypi 100

would this be suitable for a first cycle and should it be injected twice a week still?

Thanks

just do one ml a week.. 400mg of test a week is sufficient for a first cycle.. If you want to you can still break it up to two different shots.. T400 will make you pretty sore after injection because it has a high alcohol content in order to hold that much test in a single ml..

[gypsy]

I have got a 10ml vial of test 400 which consists of;
test prop 100
test deca 200
test cypi 100

would this be suitable for a first cycle and should it be injected twice a week still?

Thanks

so 1 shot a week, sounds good...

[gypsy]

You dont really have a lot of training under your belt. You should definitely wait atleast 2 years before thinking of cycling. Also, judging by your stats it looks like youve still got plenty of room for more natural gains.

But if youre going to go through with it anyways be careful as you are prone to damaging your joints because they are not adequately prepared for anabolics.

thanks yes I am more then likely going To wait at least a few more months natural, just got my diet in check.