New User - Anavar Vs. Winny?

[p4blo27]

Hi guys,

I'm new to the world of steroids and am thinking of starting my first cycle to give me a little push and kick with my training.

STATS

Age - 27
Weight - 161 pounds
Height - 5'10
BF % - approximate 13%
History - No previous cycle history. Have used Ephedrine for a while but not currently using.

I train 5 nights a week in split routines and my diet is pretty solid. High protein strict diet....I minimise carbs to a minimum and work on basis of 1g of protein per pound of body fat.

My diet and training have so far yielded great results with a body transformation but I seem to have hit a wall and plateaued so am considering using a good cutting steroid as I don't want to gain large mass, am looking to look toned and 'ripped'

I've heard that Winstrol and Anavar are both good cutting steroids which don't convert to oestrogen .... Any good advice on these two and which would be more suitable to me personally for that good push??

Thanks in advance

[TKO Performance]

To run solo I'd go with Anavar of Winstrol. It is safer in many ways. 40-50mg/day should wield great results with an 8 week cycle. Run liver support while on (Liv52, Milk Thistle, etc.) and do a three week PCT with either Clomid at 50mg/day or Nolva at 20mg/day. Have some Tribulus and Avena Sativa on hand in case any libido issues manifest.

While building muscle you can't eliminate carbs. You should still be taking in at least 200gms a day. Protein should be at least 1gm/lb., but 1.5gm/lb. won't hurt either.

[gymfu]

The guys here are going to advise you to do a test only cycle for your first. You can use test on a cutting cycle too.

I would suggest you work on your diet some more. I'm your hight and got to about 205 naturaly. Before you cycle anything I strongly recomend you let the experts here critique your diet. Any gains made with poor diet will be lost when you get off.

[Big]

your stats would indicate it's time to tweak your diet further.

[HawaiianPride.]

Sounds like you have a strict diet, you just aren't consuming enough. As suggested, make the necessary changes there first before considering steroids.

[p4blo27]

To run solo I'd go with Anavar of Winstrol. It is safer in many ways. 40-50mg/day should wield great results with an 8 week cycle. Run liver support while on (Liv52, Milk Thistle, etc.) and do a three week PCT with either Clomid at 50mg/day or Nolva at 20mg/day. Have some Tribulus and Avena Sativa on hand in case any libido issues manifest.

While building muscle you can't eliminate carbs. You should still be taking in at least 200gms a day. Protein should be at least 1gm/lb., but 1.5gm/lb. won't hurt either.

Thanks for that. Anavar seems to be the choice over winny, I think from posts on here that's a given so cheers.

Thanks fir the advice on the liver support, is this needed even tho anavar has low toxicity? Or is it more just good practice?

And 200g carbs a day?!? Really? I find that anything over 80g per day of carbs puts fat around my waist. I do about 170 g of protein a day through shakes, tuna, chicken and Lean steak and eggs.

[p4blo27]

The guys here are going to advise you to do a test only cycle for your first. You can use test on a cutting cycle too.

I would suggest you work on your diet some more. I'm your hight and got to about 205 naturaly. Before you cycle anything I strongly recomend you let the experts here critique your diet. Any gains made with poor diet will be lost when you get off.

Thanks for that but my goal is to look and be ripped. To be athletic. I play a lot of sports as well as lifting so 205 seems big for me

[TKO Performance]

Anavar is still a 17aa compound, meaning it's hepatoxic. It is less so than most other steroids, but liver support should be considered mandatory.

If you are looking to cut how much cardio are you doing? 80gm of carbs might be fine if you're just lifting, but with any cardio it's going to be way too little. To cut you can't just lift and take Anavar and expect to get ripped. You need to add in cardio at least three days a week for an hour. You need to make sure that these are complex carbs, with as little sugar as possible. I find sugar builds fat, not complex carbs.

[p4blo27]

I do about 30 minutes a night cardio, anything from running and rowing to the stair master and I play football 3 nights a week for an hour at a time. I am going to up the cardio though to about 45 minutes running.

Complex carbs? I'll do some research. Thanks again

[sixey]

once you get your diet straightened out, i would DEF reccomend the anavar. im using it right now and honestly i never want to cut without it again. losing that last stubborn fat, and a very good rate too. awesome vascularity and muscle fullness, maintaining weight while dropping bf%, awesome stuff!

[TKO Performance]

Yeah, it's a common misconception that you can do a lot in terms of cutting doing cardio for only 30 minutes at a stretch. Your body takes 20 minutes to enter fat burning metabolism, so that only gives you 10 minutes of active fat burning. You won't increase your base metabolic rate from doing cardio, no matter what you've heard. Only an increase in muscle mass does that. Consequently I find that an hour is a good amount of time for cardio. It gives you a solid 40 minutes in fat burning and will speed up your gains (or is that loss).

[p4blo27]

Yeah that makes sense.....so having a look at my diet a bit, increasing carbs and knocking my cardio up to an hour coupled with anavar should wield some good results?

[gymfu]

Thanks for that but my goal is to look and be ripped. To be athletic. I play a lot of sports as well as lifting so 205 seems big for me

I'm not saying you have to get to 200 first just saying you have a lot more potential naturaly. All I'm saying is if your diet isn't good then the anabolics are a wast of time and money.

GL

[urbanbody]

Drug wise for cutting ANAVAR

[p4blo27]

Drug wise for cutting ANAVAR

Yeah that seems to be the general consensus from the advice throughout the forum.
I'll tweak my diet a bit first.

[lovbyts]

You can stay perfectly lean, not gain fat and gain some muscle easier, safer, less chance of bloat with tweaking your diet as suggested and not using any AAS yet.

[TKO Performance]

Agreed. If the diet and cardio are not spot on then taking anything is a waste. Anavar is not a magic pill that will make all your fat go away if you neglect diet and half ass your cardio. You have to diet strictly and exercise hard, and it will improve on the results you'd get from those two, but it's not a replacement for them by any means. You may lose another pound a week of fat and gain a pound or a half pound of muscle a week over an 8 week cycle, so what you're really going to see is a change in body composition. Diet and cardio can let you lose 2 lbs a week of fat alone, so those are the real keys to cutting. The advantage is that you are not going to gain muscle at that rate just from diet and training unless you started at some kind of depleted state with muscle ready to come back after illness or injury. It's the change in composition that will allow you to really see results.

[p4blo27]

Agreed. If the diet and cardio are not spot on then taking anything is a waste. Anavar is not a magic pill that will make all your fat go away if you neglect diet and half ass your cardio. You have to diet strictly and exercise hard, and it will improve on the results you'd get from those two, but it's not a replacement for them by any means. You may lose another pound a week of fat and gain a pound or a half pound of muscle a week over an 8 week cycle, so what you're really going to see is a change in body composition. Diet and cardio can let you lose 2 lbs a week of fat alone, so those are the real keys to cutting. The advantage is that you are not going to gain muscle at that rate just from diet and training unless you started at some kind of depleted state with muscle ready to come back after illness or injury. It's the change in composition that will allow you to really see results.

Makes alot of sense!
ive jsut had my diet torn apart in the diet section of this forum, to be honest i thought it was quite good but seems im not eating enough so need to seriously rethink it.
Getting the balance right is more difficult then it seems but im determined to get it right so ill hit the drawing board again