Rate of Increased "Required" Dosages

[mediocre45]

Probably a confusing title, but I'll get to that. My cycles have been something like:
1) 600 mg Test Cyp/week for 12 weeks, 50 mg ED Dbol 1-4
2) 10 weeks test 700 mg/week
Current cycle: 1-8 630 mg/week Test Prop and 65 mg Var ED

First two were awesome...nearing my 4th week of this cutting cycle and I really don't feel much. I can tell I'm on, but I'm not seeing much as far as strength (which is my main concern...granted I'm also cutting with low carbs/carb cycling). For the next 5-10 years, how should I approach my cycle compounds and dosages to see gains I'm pleased with?

I'm trying to keep cycles as simple as possible so that later on I can use new compounds and see new results...is this the case or should I go ahead and start experimenting with EQ, Tren, Mast, etc? For example, say I do another cycle around 600-700 mg Test, get mediocre results, etc...if I do the cycle after that with same test dosage and EQ will I get better results?

[HawaiianPride.]

That's the downside to progressively tapering up each cycle. I try to stress to anyone that wants to do this NOT to do it for this very reason. What happens by your 5th cycle? You'll be up to 2grams total and you'll need to use equal to or a greater amount to make progressive gains.

3rd cycle in and your already utilizing over a gram of AAS. Were the last 2 cycles not good enough?

It could be the lack of nutrition hindering that strength you are use too, or another variable. But I say only expand your horizons with more compounds if absolutely necessary.

[mediocre45]

That's the downside to progressively tapering up each cycle. I try to stress to anyone that wants to do this NOT to do it for this very reason. What happens by your 5th cycle? You'll be up to 2grams total and you'll need to use equal to or a greater amount to make progressive gains.

3rd cycle in and your already utilizing over a gram of AAS. Were the last 2 cycles not good enough?

It could be the lack of nutrition hindering that strength you are use too, or another variable. But I say only expand your horizons with more compounds if absolutely necessary.

In retrospect I would have done less on my first cycles (40 mg Dbol/500 mg test on first), (2nd probably 600 mg test), etc. The last two were fine, so I actually LOWERED the amount of test on this one, and then added Var. I had heard great things about var...and am doubting the concentration of the stuff I'm using.

I def think you are right about my diet, although the last cutter my diet wasn't a whole lot better, but more cals and carbs for sure. On this cycle I was worried if I spread out my goals I would end up disappointed. I either want to get fairly shredded or much stronger, so I think at this point, until I'm happy with my bf%, I will continue the diet.

So what would you do on your next cycle if you were me (I think in one year I will do a bulker aiming to go from 225->245 in 12 weeks)? Thanks!

[Sector]

In retrospect I would have done less on my first cycles (40 mg Dbol/500 mg test on first), (2nd probably 600 mg test), etc. The last two were fine, so I actually LOWERED the amount of test on this one, and then added Var.

True, but your var is at 455 mgs a week and that in addition to your test prop puts you over 1 gram of AAS for the first 4 weeks of your cycle. People often dont factor in the MG from the orals.

So what would you do on your next cycle if you were me (I think in one year I will do a bulker aiming to go from 225->245 in 12 weeks)? Thanks!

This really is up to you man. My view on it ( and I will say now hawaiian knows his shit so if he disagrees with me then listen to him ) is depending on how far you are from your NATURAL genetic potential when you start using AAS, the less gear you need to utilize. Does that meen you can use multiple compounds? Naw go for it, just no need to exceed a Gram of AAS until your literally arent seeing gains off 900mg test or 400mg Test/400 Deca ect.

I personally am interested in the other compounds but I have yet to do my Test only cycle. After the standard 500mgs Test I am going to try ( on my 2nd or most likely 3rd cycle ) 250 Test as a base and 400mg-500mg Deca. Keeping me around 650-750mg of AAS even though im utilizing two seperate compounds.

[dec11]

if you are on low carbs you will lose a bit of strength. tren actually made me get stronger while cutting carbs, with test prop of course, you are only 4wks in, give it another few weeks. losing bf is something id of noticed all of a sudden rather than see ikt happen gradually over a period of time

[mediocre45]

This really is up to you man. My view on it ( and I will say now hawaiian knows his shit so if he disagrees with me then listen to him ) is depending on how far you are from your NATURAL genetic potential when you start using AAS, the less gear you need to utilize. Does that meen you can use multiple compounds? Naw go for it, just no need to exceed a Gram of AAS until your literally arent seeing gains off 900mg test or 400mg Test/400 Deca ect.

I personally am interested in the other compounds but I have yet to do my Test only cycle. After the standard 500mgs Test I am going to try ( on my 2nd or most likely 3rd cycle ) 250 Test as a base and 400mg-500mg Deca. Keeping me around 650-750mg of AAS even though im utilizing two seperate compounds.

For sure man, Var is a lighter roid though, but you are right. I am actually hoping this stuff is underdose and that's why I'm not seeing the vascularity and other awesome things associated with it.

I'm thinking if I do that bulker I would go for 700 mg test cyp/week and kick it off with 4 weeks dbol at 40 mg ED. I actually have deca (5000 mg I think) on hand but just haven't used it...I used it at a very low dose on my first cycle and had some emotional issues in PCT...so I may need to do some more analysis of why that was and what compound I want next.

Thanks for the advice you made me feel a little bit better lol. I'm about 225 lbs at 11 % bf so I'd say I'm approaching my genetic potential. In a few years I'd like to walk around at 250 lbs 12% bf for powerlifting (so that I could cut water to the 242 class easy when necessary).

[mediocre45]

bump

[mediocre45]

No suggestions?

[darkcrayz]

i like what Hawaiian said about something else being the limiting factor.

maybe you are hoping for to much of a strength increase?

adding other compounds in is fine for future cycles but i would drop the base test down so you keep the mg/week roughly the same.

ala

cycle 1
test e 300mg/week
tren e 350mg/week
mast 350 mg/week

cycle 2
test e 500mg/week
tren e 500mg/week