To all of you spending time telling guys younger than 25yrs old not to cycle.

[Td00]

You are not wasting your time at all...

And here's my story.

I'm 22 years old and i have researched a lot in here, after so much research i decided not to cycle, but recently i've been feeling really really down and a dealer came at me at the gym and offered me AAS (yes, in here AAS are everywhere, they're high quality and it doesn't take much effort to get them if any at all). So i just couldn't resist and said yes.

I purchased Test Cyp plus all the stuff for a good PCT, got all my stuff done but i sat 2 hours at my bathroom thinking... i'm not afraid of needles at all, i was afraid of ****ing myself up and the words said in here about 22 being too young and screwing my HPTA kept going on my head while at the same time i was thinking of me and an extra 10 or 15lbs. My mind was like working at 150mph. I finally decided to stay away from AAS with a needle in my hand...

I feel SO stupid right now...

[HitIt]

good going

[Hazard]

There's no need to feel stupid..... you've got the bug like all of us. You made the right choice in the end and you should actually be proud of that.

Every one of us knows that feeling of just wanting to be big NOW..... I really can't blame young guys for wanting to cycle. Whether my advice falls on deaf ears or not - I still offer it. If it's taken..... all the better.

~Haz~

[D7M]

Don't feel stupid at all man!

You made the right choice. This way, the more LM you can add naturally, that much more better your cycle will be!

You should be proud, and hopefully be an inspiration to other young guys!

[marcus300]

Well done and that was an educated decision. I understand its hard to resist but if you change your diet around and train hard you can gain some decent tissue without risking any harm to yourself, in a couple of years you would of built a very good solid base to work off and that will be the right time to consider taking some added hormones.

Well done

[calgarian]

awww...need hug????

[Times Roman]

It's hard to take advice from others, especially those you don't know. the impulse to grow is strong and hard to ignore. Now if I can just get my son to listen to me........

[Hazard]

It's hard to take advice from others, especially those you don't know. the impulse to grow is strong and hard to ignore. Now if I can just get my son to listen to me........

LMFAO! Good luck with that one! Wish I woulda listened to my dad on more than just a couple occasions.....

~Haz~

[calgarian]

LMFAO! Good luck with that one! Wish I woulda listened to my dad on more than just a couple occasions.....

~Haz~

I cant get over ur nipple man.......i just want to bite it...

[Swifto]

Good choice, well done.

[SlimmerMe]

Good for you! Winning attitude actually and will pay off royally.

[stpete]

Good decision! And what's up w/all the cyp going around these days? Big sale going on? haha....

[Vettester]

You made a good choice, no doubt.

Don't confuse feeling stupid with humbleness and humility. Shows integrity, discipline and good character!

You're looking for gains ... In my book you just made some!!!!

[Vettester]

Good decision! And what's up w/all the cyp going around these days? Big sale going on? haha....

Actually, a lot of pharmacies have been running out of the major brands.

[Dont wanna be old]

People may not agree with my analogy .
AAS is like drinking on a Saturday night . A few rounds and you may feel invincible , drink more and your even more of a bad ass . Then there's Sunday morning and your wishing you didn't do what you think you did . The aspirin isn't cutting it so a drink might even help .
Well running a big cycle you feel like superman , this might be 8 to 13 weeks of this . Then you have to learn PCT and test your diet skillz . It's like a big Sunday morning that last for weeks .
Now your hooked and can't wait again for the Saturday night drink or the next cycle .

IMO the longer you wait the better . If you never touch AAS then your better off
You will NEVER forget .

[alexISthrowed]

16 is old enough, do not listen to this fools.

[Brewster]

16 is old enough, do not listen to this fools.

16... your an old man at 16

I heard lee priest started when he was 14.. based on that I started when I was 12

[HawaiianPride.]

How can you possibly feel stupid? You did the right thing and possibly encouraged many viewers in your same situation to do the same and follow in your footsteps.

I applaud your decision. If I could go back and and do the same I would in a heart beat.

[stevey_6t9]

give your gear to me, ill pin it for ya.

[DSM4Life]

Takes a real man to admit when he is wrong.

Also takes a real man to deep throat 8 inches but we will save that one for another thread.

[Vettester]

Takes a real man to admit when he is wrong.

Also takes a real man to deep throat 8 inches but we will save that one for another thread.

ROFL!!! OP is going to pin for sure after reading this.

What happened to the smilies??

[LBSOMEIRON]

I am well aware that I'll probably get raided for this, but I'm not one to pull punches or blow smoke.

It's obvious the goal of this board is to deter the youth from crossing over to 'the dark side'. More often than not, it's justified not if not for inexperience, then for the room to grow 'naturally' is still very prominent.

Having said that, it shouldn't always be about age. There are quite a few 30 somethings here that have no business using aas and even more 40 and 50 'old timers' that feel it will help restore their youth.

Point is, I see nothing wrong with a 22 year old crossing over so long as the track record is there and the plan is clearly outlined.

My first cycle was at 21. I was 6'1, 205 under the supervision of a ifbb judge who was extremely knowledgeable and about to enter my first 'non/tested' comp. Turn back the clock and I'd do it again. I gained 15lb and added 60lb to my bench. I also placed 5th in a very deep pro qualifier.

So age, although many times is a decent measuring stick, isn't a catch-all. Ignorance is 100x more dangerous than age.

Prove that you've done the research and demonstrate that your training and diet are clearly on point.

If the evidence is there, I don't care if you are 19 or 91 ...you can earn my endorsement by showing me your homework is complete.

To the OP, the fact that you not only made a purchase out of frustration and on a wimb, coupled with the fact that you sat there with your finger on the trigger with thoughts of repercussions racing through you head, makes it extremely evident that you aren't even close to ready.

22 or 42, you have a lot to experience 'naturally'.

[fattymcbutterpants]

Just to throw this out there I ran sust. for a month when I was 15 it wasnt the smartest decision ive ever made but owell I guess too late now

[LBSOMEIRON]

People may not agree with my analogy .
AAS is like drinking on a Saturday night . A few rounds and you may feel invincible , drink more and your even more of a bad ass . Then there's Sunday morning and your wishing you didn't do what you think you did . The aspirin isn't cutting it so a drink might even help .
Well running a big cycle you feel like superman , this might be 8 to 13 weeks of this . and can't wait again for the Saturday night drink or the next cycle .

IMO the longer you wait the better . If you never touch AAS then your better off
You will NEVER forget .

Disagree. Why would one be 'better off'?

[LBSOMEIRON]

Just to throw this out there I ran sust. for a month when I was 15 it wasnt the smartest decision ive ever made but owell I guess too late now

A good example of the young and the ignorant -

[stevey_6t9]

I am well aware that I'll probably get raided for this, but I'm not one to pull punches or blow smoke.

yes thats very naughty what you said. report to DSM for ass punishment.

[marcus300]

I am well aware that I'll probably get raided for this, but I'm not one to pull punches or blow smoke.

It's obvious the goal of this board is to deter the youth from crossing over to 'the dark side'. More often than not, it's justified not if not for inexperience, then for the room to grow 'naturally' is still very prominent.

Having said that, it shouldn't always be about age. There are quite a few 30 somethings here that have no business using aas and even more 40 and 50 'old timers' that feel it will help restore their youth.

Point is, I see nothing wrong with a 22 year old crossing over so long as the track record is there and the plan is clearly outlined.

My first cycle was at 21. I was 6'1, 205 under the supervision of a ifbb judge who was extremely knowledgeable and about to enter my first 'non/tested' comp. Turn back the clock and I'd do it again. I gained 15lb and added 60lb to my bench. I also placed 5th in a very deep pro qualifier.

So age, although many times is a decent measuring stick, isn't a catch-all. Ignorance is 100x more dangerous than age.

Prove that you've done the research and demonstrate that your training and diet are clearly on point.

If the evidence is there, I don't care if you are 19 or 91 ...you can earn my endorsement by showing me your homework is complete.

To the OP, the fact that you not only made a purchase out of frustration and on a wimb, coupled with the fact that you sat there with your finger on the trigger with thoughts of repercussions racing through you head, makes it extremely evident that you aren't even close to ready.

22 or 42, you have a lot to experience 'naturally'.

I disagree completely, I think age is a major factor when your considering taking hormones what could have a drastic effect on your future health. Ive seen it to many times over the last 20 odd yrs for it not to be a major factor on having a healthy HPTA. The Endocrine system is a very sensitive and remarkable system with many feedback loops what detect any imbalances, the body doesn't fully mature until the age of 25yrs old even though the main development is up to 21yrs the HPTA isnt still fully developed and by shutting it down it can have a adverse effect on it fully maturing which in turn can lead to low or lower testosterone than you would of normally had. Ive seen to many bodybuilders in their 20's on HRT for it not to be a contributing factor. Of course its not something what is 100% going to occur in everyone but I feel from all the guys on the Internet having problems and from experiences ive seen over the years the risk is higher if you do shut down hormonal system before its fully developed. This board is newbie driven and we have to try and get this message across because before you know it we would have a large number of newbies in the HRT section screaming for help.

To the OP, you did the right thing give it another couple of years and develop your knowledge further on nutriction,training and build a base to work off.

[sigman roid]

Not stupid at all, you made the right decision.

[LBSOMEIRON]

Marcus - and I'm fine with agreeing to disagree..all I am saying is that there are many 22-23 year old that are in a perfect condition (for one reason or another) to begin and if I turned back the clock, I'd do it again in a second.

Age is a number and we can't base our logic on a 'catch-all' mentaility. it's def. a case by case basis. Some 21-22-23 year old are very ready for the next step, some 45 year olds aren't.

At the end of the day, the ONLY thing that matters is that we AGREE the OP made the correct decision. Hands down.

[40plusnewbie]

Good post. And it's pretty rare to make it to the age of 25 without very loving and very involved parents who begin to teach responsibility at a young age and progressively more and more responsibility age appropriately to their children - or you wind up like most kids, making a heck of a lot of stupid decisions before u reach 25.

[LBSOMEIRON]

Good post. And it's pretty rare to make it to the age of 25 without very loving and very involved parents who begin to teach responsibility at a young age and progressively more and more responsibility age appropriately to their children - or you wind up like most kids, making a heck of a lot of stupid decisions before u reach 25.

I know that wasn't meant as a slam, but I chose to use before 25 and I was brought up in a pretty positive/caring family.

Key word is 'choice'...

[collar]

Good work man, you did the right thing.

Smart choice it will pay off in long run and you will achieve the desired body with less complications.

All in time, nothing comes easy .

[DSM4Life]

Marcus - and I'm fine with agreeing to disagree..all I am saying is that there are many 22-23 year old that are in a perfect condition (for one reason or another) to begin and if I turned back the clock, I'd do it again in a second.

Age is a number and we can't base our logic on a 'catch-all' mentaility. it's def. a case by case basis. Some 21-22-23 year old are very ready for the next step, some 45 year olds aren't.

At the end of the day, the ONLY thing that matters is that we AGREE the OP made the correct decision. Hands down.

Sorry man but your wrong. They might be in good condition on the outside but how about the mental aspect on the inside. I would say 99.9% of the people are not mature enough at 23 to run cycles.

[40plusnewbie]

I know that wasn't meant as a slam, but I chose to use before 25 and I was brought up in a pretty positive/caring family.

Key word is 'choice'...

It wasn't meant as a slam at all, but as a general rule we pretty much (well those of us either very mature late teens early 20's or resonably responsible adults know it to be true. I know was for me.

And although ultimately I am what most people would call a libertarian (people have the right to do what they want with their own bodies because they own themselves, the government doesn't own them so long it is between mutually consenting adults, many people make many choices that I think are very reckless. I'm no exception, I have made more than my share.

But again, generally speaking I think that a 40 y.o. is more likely to do a much better and more thorough risk vs. reward analysis, be much more likely to take other people's advice into consideration, be more willing to modify their plans as they learn new information as compared to a 22 year old. Of course there are always exceptions, but as a generalization I think this is clearly true. Younger people are also much more impulsive than people in their 30's, 40's, and above.

I'm willing to bet that right now in the usa there are about 90% of guys around 25 and under with little to no steroid knowledge/pct knowledge, etc who are taking one or more steroids compared to only 10% of guys over 35 doing the same thing.

I hear it time and time again "some guy said take this 2 caps a day and you will get big so I've been taking them" whereas if some 40 yo guy is approached with a bottle of pills and told take these 2 a day and u will get big he will have a ton of questions, do research online, etc, etc before ever putting one of those pills in his mouth.

[jbm]

good for you!!!!!!!!!

[LBSOMEIRON]

Sorry man but your wrong. They might be in good condition on the outside but how about the mental aspect on the inside. I would say 99.9% of the people are not mature enough at 23 to run cycles.

Arguing two opinions makes no sense and I'm going to leave it alone. I stand behind my statement.

However, 99.9% is a ridiculous percentage.

[DSM4Life]

Arguing two opinions makes no sense and I'm going to leave it alone. I stand behind my statement.

However, 99.9% is a ridiculous percentage.

Your right, more like 99.9999999%

[LBSOMEIRON]

Yes. 99.9999%

I can say with full confidence that I was 'more informed' and more knowledgeable about this game at 22 then the majority of this board is right now. The only thing I didn't have was the experience.

I was brought up through the ranks with a guy who at the time had been a IFBB pro for 8 years on top of doing my own extensive research. I lived it.

Not a slam against the 'majority' nor is it an attempted ego boost. There are dudes on here (Marcus, H Pride, many more) that are students of the game and I continued to learn from.

I'm just saying 'kids' have all the tools to truly make an educated decision.

[LBSOMEIRON]

Anyways....back to the topic.

Congrats to the OP. Definately the right decision.

[lovbyts]

Congratulation on crossing over into manhood and making the hard decisions and being able to say NO or Ill wait. Taking advice from others, especially advice that is against what you really WANT to do/hear is the hardest.

lbsomeiron when you talk about kids (under 24) may be more ready for AAS than people in their 30s, 40s you are comparing apples to oranges. We are not talking solely about what they know or their physical condition but how/if the body is ready due to hormonal changes that are still taking place until your mid 20s.

It effects a lot more people negatively at a younger age (side effects) than not and more than people in their 30s+. It's just the way it is. You can argue all day long that it didnt to YOU but we see enough kids in here who it has and I will bet we dont hear from 90% of the ones who end up having issues.