First injectable cycle...

[Ulysses]

Hi guys

Been working out for 15 years or so with good gains, currently 12% bodyfat. Diet is uber clean and training uber intense. Done a few oral cycles before - a couple of Dianabol (which was crap - and I learned my lesson!) The last two cycles have been 8 week Oral T-Bol which has been awesome! I do a four week Tamox PCT afterwards.

Question is, why should I swap to injectable Test? If I can get the same results as T-Bol then it would make sense as it's a fraction of the price; but I have never had ANY sides from T-Bol and am concerned that the extra problems associated with Test may outweigh any advantage? T-Bol has caused very little HPTA shutdown for me, even at 60mg / day, whereas Test will shut me down totally. It also appears that PCT is a lot more complex and people seem to be recommending that I also inject with HCG to stop my nuts from disappearing!

Please help - I'm very happy with T-Bol but my finances would be happier if I could be convinced to swap to Test - lol!!

Tom :-)

[MBMETC]

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[Ulysses]

Age is 42
Weight 76kg
Height 5'6"

[MBMETC]

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[lil_herc81]

If you are content with T-bol then my first question would be why are you looking for other products? Or are you just curious of the difference? Typically with Orals you will experience more sides, in addition to this you have to consider the damage to vital organs, liver damage is basically to be expected. Oil/water based injections do not pass through the digestive system hence eliminating the overall concern of liver damage.

[Ulysses]

I think it's all about cost and liver protection. I can protect my liver better by injecting, but then I'll shut down my HPTA and maybe it won't come back to normal? (Current Test levels are about 550). I was planning on doing a 12 week test, followed by Clomid & Nolva with maybe a T-Bol or D-Bol 4 week kicker (I have both), but am confused as to whether I also need to include HCG? Trying to balance the equation here guys - thanks for any input!! :-)

[lil_herc81]

I apologize, I cant really help with the orals at all as I have made a point to steer clear of them aside from dbol. Good luck

[MBMETC]

yes you will get shut down even with d-bol alone, that is why the use of test is so important. what are your goals you seem to be a little on the light side, which may be able to fixed with diet and not aas head over to the diet forum and post your diet for the boys to critique, its always best to go the naural approach first

[BG]

D-Bol shut me down harder then any other compound I've taken.

Op, if t-Bol works well for you and your natural test is still that high I wouldn't change a thing. Just make sure to drink plenty of water, may e use a detox afterwards and do a pct. Test is a big step and has many side effects

[Ulysses]

Thanks for that. This has been my opinion up until now, but I hear so many scare stories about Liver damage. I only do two 8 week cycles a year and use liver support and a good pct. Out of interest, with a test cycle, would you recommend HCG or can I do it without it?

[MBMETC]

it's been a hotly debated topic on this board the last week or so, and it's becoming alot clearer and sencible to run hcg along with your cycle.

[BG]

Thanks for that. This has been my opinion up until now, but I hear so many scare stories about Liver damage. I only do two 8 week cycles a year and use liver support and a good pct. Out of interest, with a test cycle, would you recommend HCG or can I do it without it?

Depending on length. Say you run a 12 weaker you can run 250 ius twice a week from week 4 until then end. Then I would stop during the 2 week period before pct, then start again at a higher dosage , injected at the minimum of eod during pct.