oral only cycles info please guys !

[tcook]

a question for a close freind
his stats
24
5'11
180lb
been lifting for about 2 years
no preveous cycle history
he asked me if their was any good and safe oral only cycles for lean muscle and strength gains and ripping up.
i said i knew winstrol & anavar are known for adding clean mass and strength but i dint know if they are that good to run solo without test as a base so i thought id ask the experts to be on the safe side.
he hates needles and wants that edge and is in pretty good shape right now, he is sereous about lifting and has a good diet. his main fear is gyno & erection problems. i know winstrol and anavar dont convert into estrogen sides so gyno wouldnt be a problem with them but do you think running them alone is safe.
he had in mind running anavar,winstrol & clenabuterol.
anavar week 1-8 @ 60-80mg e.d
winstrol week 4-8 @ 40-50mg e.d
clen from start of cycle running 2 days on 2 days off starting at 40mcg e.d
what you guys think ?
i know anavar isnt that toxic but i hear winstrol can be ??
cheers and will be greatfull for any advice.

[marcus300]

stats
20
6'
85kg
low b,f
training 4 years or so 2 year hard

No one is going to help you when you lie about your stats, your to young for steroids,

[tcook]

before you jump the gun ive had help, and if you look on my other posts it cleary says ive just turned 21.
on this post i did put ASKING FOR A FREIND who is 24 and doesnt have access to a computer. i have no interest in oral oncly cycles.
so if you can help my questions i would be gratefull
cheers

[stpete]

Tell your friend to come here and we'll be happy to help. And who doesn't have access to a computer in this day and age? Can't he use yours for a few minutes?

[tcook]

well if he used mine for a few minutes he would be doing exactly what i am doing.
thought you guys liked to help on steroids not act like the police.
really i mean do you have to ask 101 questions before i get help?
just wanted some good advice please guys
cheers

[S8jack3d]

Oral only cycle=bad idea. Tell your friend to man up and stick himself. The results will be more meaningful as well as the abilty to keep gains.

[flexandex]

you will find alot of members parroting that oral only cycles are terrible.

An Anavar only cycle is still a decent option, if you can afford it and you get real stuff.
There is a log on here from a guy named BJJ ( i think) about his anavar only cycle and his results / recovery were awesome.

[Bonaparte]

t ASKING FOR A FREIND who is 24 and doesnt have access to a computer.

Is he a hobo?
Because anybody with ID has access to a computer in a public library...
And if he can't afford a computer, how the hell can he afford gear?

[tcook]

noo course he could get to a library but its no sweat off my back asking for him.
you do no favers for mates then no ?
soo you gus say oral only isnt a good option then. not even the "brad pitt" cycle

[marcus300]

No one believes you,

Your to young for steroids,
Oral only cycles are a no go,
Train naturally and build a foundation,
stop lying about friends and stats,

[tcook]

who are you to tell me im a liar
if you look on my other threads i clearly say im 21 and am on a test-e/d-bol cycle 10 days in now, people dont have a problem.

[marcus300]

I see you dont listen to the correct advice so why do you keep asking, or is it you just listen to what you want to hear,

why even post when you dont ever listen, soon you will find out why we tried to help you go in the right direction lol

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...coy&highlight=

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ase&highlight=

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...eal&highlight=

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...cle&highlight=

[tcook]

o well if i do get comebacks from cycling at 21 il put my hands up and say ye i should of listend but i think il be just fine.
rather than patrolling this site for my preveous posts which have nothing to do with this one couldnt you be helping me give a freind avice rather than showing your authority off and not helping at all.
just want to know why running winstrol & anavar is a bad idea. you answering is only going to help.
cheers

[stevey_6t9]

noo course he could get to a library but its no sweat off my back asking for him.
you do no favers for mates then no ?
soo you gus say oral only isnt a good option then. not even the "brad pitt" cycle

i dont like the brad pitt cycle, i prefer the justin beiber cycle. The girls seem to love it.

[lil_herc81]

NO ORALS!!!! Too many sides. These guys are being stern because the information taken from this site reflects the sites credibility. Nothing personal! Arguing will only get you a VIP pass to BANNED or a bad rep.

[Free Will]

tcook ...listen to marucs ...he knows what hes talking about ...and when he says you are to young for steroids he means it ...if you are 21 then you have at least another 4 years of natural test flowing through your body in abundance ...so utilise that and train hard , eat well and stay focused ...because there is no point taking an outside testosterone source when you are producing quite a bit now yourself ....so when you reach the age of around 25 then start thinking about steroids if you really want to hit them

peace

[Free Will]

^^^^^ bahahahaha

[tcook]

without sounding stupid but i thought their were more sides to taking test-e etc than anavar & winstrol as gyno,bloat, achne are never really a problem with them ?
is it mainly down to liver toxicity ?
also runing anavar or winstrol would that completely shut you down ?
cheers again

[MBMETC]

without sounding stupid but i thought their were more sides to taking test-e etc than anavar & winstrol as gyno,bloat, achne are never really a problem with them ?
is it mainly down to liver toxicity ?
also runing anavar or winstrol would that completely shut you down ?
cheers again

^^bold
yes. tell your buddy to do more research and in the meantime he can save for a computer

[tcook]

but what i want to know is what makes using winstrol & anavar such a bad idea ? i know winstrols harsh on the liver bu then so would it be on a test cycle too ?
im not trying to be complicated but am interested.
and marcus300 not disagreying with you as you will know 100times more than me but im a beginner like yourself and also looking to learn and might have made a mistake in the long run.
like i said the winstrol and anavar cycle isnt for me as my goals are different.
cheers again

[manveer1]

because they are 2 orals mate, very harsh on liver especially winny. A test cycle isnt that bad on the liver as it doesnt have to go directly through your liver unlike orals. get it now? So if you are using 2 orals at same time, your liver will become ****ED ! If you are going to use winny use pro liver and milk thistle, that might limit some damage.

[Bonaparte]

because they are 2 orals mate, very harsh on liver especially winny. A test cycle isnt that bad on the liver as it doesnt have to go directly through your liver unlike orals. get it now? So if you are using 2 orals at same time, your liver will become ****ED ! If you are going to use winny use pro liver and milk thistle, that might limit some damage.

Dude, most of what you just said isn't even the real issue. The toxicity would not be that bad and your liver would recover just fine in most cases.

[cherrydrpepper]

Is he a hobo?
Because anybody with ID has access to a computer in a public library...
And if he can't afford a computer, how the hell can he afford gear?

This is fkn gold

[cherrydrpepper]

Is he a hobo?
Because anybody with ID has access to a computer in a public library...
And if he can't afford a computer, how the hell can he afford gear?

This is fkn gold

[tcook]

lol
so then the only problems with oral only cycles is liver toxicity yea ?
i take it loss of libido could be a problem using winstrol & anavar too ?
thanks for the help soo far regarding my questions.
cheers