My mass cycle? anadrol and D-bol together

[ROCKWORKOUT]

okay boys before you look at this cycle and go crazy about running Anadrol and D-bol together- the bottom line is this! taking them together or one at a time doesn't matter - its the over all dosage of the combination of orals not the mixture.

So yes - 50 mgs of drol a day and 20-30 mgs of d-bol is much safer than taking 150 mgs of drol or even 100 mgs of drol ed. Some even say it is safer than taking 50-60 mgs of d-bol.

Not to piss anyone off but if the best argument someone can come up with is that taking the two together is dangerous they are full of it IMO and repeating what they have heard across the boards. Many knowledgeable bro's are now using the combo and happy with it - the combined effects of the two blow the effects of them singly out of the water!

Half the guys saying it does harm don't have a ****ing clue as to why they think it would - enough said!
Prove me wrong show me factual info?

Week 1 to 5: 50mg anadrol every day
Week 1 to 5: 30mg of Danabol Every Day
Week 1 to 12: 450mg of Deca Per Week
Week 1 to 12: 1000mg of Test E Per Week
Week 1 to 12: 0.25 Anastrozol Every Other Day
Week 1 to 12: 300-500ius of HCG every 5th day
Week 13 - 40mg nolva+ 100mg clomid Every Day
Week 14 - 30mg nolva+ 50mg clomid Every Day
Week 15 - 20mg nolva+ 50mg clomid Every Day

[Sicko]

Damn bro that is a FRIKKIN HUGE CYCLE...Doesnt sound right to me to run both dbol and drol together,, but I am not going to get in a pissing match with you over it since you are already set on doing it.hope you got some good AI on hand your gonna need it..And only three week pct?...Hmmm...

[IMunchRoidz]

what are your stats bro

[vettewreck]

I think its stupid. And I think its funny how you post your thread asking a question... then basically saying "Im taking this cycle no matter what bc its safe" lolol Umm.. ok. If you think taking the worst possible oral for you liver, then adding MORE orals on top of that THEN saying its safe and fine and its the overal dosage not the combo, whatever. Anadrol alone, even at 50mg/ed is harsh on your liver. I use it at 50, but adding more orals on top of it is just stupid. So youre going into this cycle with a closed mind and youre only looking for answers that YOU want to hear. What are your stats by the way? Age, weight? waist size? Hight? How many cycles? How many years lifting WITH diet?

[ROCKWORKOUT]

I posted this as a question to get feed back from people who have actually run both together and how they liked it or disliked. I'm not closed minded, Im open to any opinions but those are just your opinions. I have just done my research and think the bottom line is all orals take a toll on the liver if not used correctly - as far as this across the board scare of how toxic one is to use over the other - if ran right for short durations nothing is that much worse than the next - common sense is the key here too may people spread shit about stuff they don't know! Bottom line is people who have actually tried this combo love it and swear by it, Those that haven't tried it hate on it. I thinking it is safer to mix if you run 50 mgs drols and 30-40 mgs of d-bol than higher doses of either

[dec11]

i have run 50mgs adrol and 20mgs dbol together. i think you have an excess amount of compounds in that cycle, post your stats or your not going to get much support

[CMB]

Yeah dude the human liver is pretty damn resilient so you'll be okay contarery to popular believe on many boards just run 1g milk thisle with it and keep up your water intake to 2 gallons a day and you'll be G2g.

Anyway I f*cking love that cycle idea. I've never done it before but man I want to try it.

The only suggestion I have is adding more onto that pct its going to be one hell of a shut down with the deca in there so extend it for another 2 weeks.

Good luck man.

[dec11]

Yeah dude the human liver is pretty damn resilient so you'll be okay contarery to popular believe on many boards just run 1g milk thisle with it and keep up your water intake to 2 gallons a day and you'll be G2g.

Anyway I f*cking love that cycle idea. I've never done it before but man I want to try it.

The only suggestion I have is adding more onto that pct its going to be one hell of a shut down with the deca in there so extend it for another 2 weeks.

Good luck man.

all that encouragement without even seing a stat? reckless

[dec11]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...t=#post5424536

enough said

[*west*]

okay boys before you look at this cycle and go crazy about running Anadrol and D-bol together- the bottom line is this! taking them together or one at a time doesn't matter - its the over all dosage of the combination of orals not the mixture.

So yes - 50 mgs of drol a day and 20-30 mgs of d-bol is much safer than taking 150 mgs of drol or even 100 mgs of drol ed. Some even say it is safer than taking 50-60 mgs of d-bol.

Not to piss anyone off but if the best argument someone can come up with is that taking the two together is dangerous they are full of it IMO and repeating what they have heard across the boards. Many knowledgeable bro's are now using the combo and happy with it - the combined effects of the two blow the effects of them singly out of the water!

Half the guys saying it does harm don't have a ****ing clue as to why they think it would - enough said!
Prove me wrong show me factual info?

Week 1 to 5: 50mg anadrol every day
Week 1 to 5: 30mg of Danabol Every Day
Week 1 to 12: 450mg of Deca Per Week
Week 1 to 12: 1000mg of Test E Per Week
Week 1 to 12: 0.25 Anastrozol Every Other Day
Week 1 to 12: 300-500ius of HCG every 5th day
Week 13 - 40mg nolva+ 100mg clomid Every Day
Week 14 - 30mg nolva+ 50mg clomid Every Day
Week 15 - 20mg nolva+ 50mg clomid Every Day

I like the look of you cycle bud, I will be running one very similar in Jan Only thing different about mine is I will be running it 16 weeks with var at the end of it. Anadrol and dbol are a great combo and I know a lot of vets that swear by it so go for it I sure am. With that been said as long as you have some good cycle experience behind you your g2g

[dieselmuscle80]

I never did see the point in mixing orals. this has been an on going debate for years. Of course the results will be great. Drol is basically an oral test well just shy of it. But Bro it's up to u or the user on what chances u wanna take with ur liver. There might not be any proof on running them together and it causing liver damage but I know for dam sure there are shit loads of studies that 17aa steriods alone(50mgs drol) are the most toxic and life threating than the rest. 50mgs of drol is harsh alone so I can't even picture throwing in some dbol. From water retention to dht just says high blood pressure followed by liver cancer down the road. Hell the basic 50mgs has proven that alone. The guys who love and swear by it now might be ok but when time passes by and organs start to fail they might wish they would have skipped that's cycle. I have ran drol and i have ran bol but not together. Drol was cut early because I couldn't handle the sides. That's why I say it isn't a good idea. But every one is different. I just know my limit and taking two toxic orals for 5 weeks is over kill. Well for me. But good luck if u run it and maybe start looking for a organ donor lol jk but it does look like a good cycle and agreed on longer pct. What are ur stats to be running such a large cycle with test that high?

[Far from massive]

I think any of you guys who are questioning this guys cycle need to keep in mind he eats 9000 cal a day and has 4% body-fat obviously he is on a different level and things that might hurt your wimpy little livers don't mean shyt to him.

[vettewreck]

LOLOLOL Soooo... less than 30 days ago you were asking about running 750mg test per week.. and Now youre gonna run 1g? HAHAHAHAA ooookaaay....

[CMB]

all that encouragement without even seing a stat? reckless

Im just answering the mans question.

[dec11]

Im just answering the mans question.

yeah, but if you read the thread he started previously you will find theres a dodgy element to it, prob some kid. he posted pics of someone very advanced and obviously advanced on AAS. why would he need advice here then?

[ROCKWORKOUT]

Haha Yeah you guys are right I originally posted what I though would be a good base to start with and see what others thought if it was worth working with. Your right I did change my cycle to what I finally thought would be a solid combo. But when I posted my original simple base plan of what I was going to start with all I found was ****ing 165lbs kids trying to give me feed back on shit when It looked like they had never hit the gym in there life! Yeah I posted pics but all these little kids kept saying that's not you so I kept putting more pics but said **** I don't care if any of you believe its me or not- Im here to get info on my cycle not prove any thing. So that is why now vettewreck I'm more asking a question of what I most likely will run, Trying to get experienced users who actually have run this to give me feed back or waiting for some one to prove its unwise. but once again all I'm mostly finding is people that say its shit cause they read it off another amateur board. Oh PS about the 9000 cal thats what I want to consume during this cycle. For those of you who actually have muscle will understand that if I don't bring in 4-5k a day Ill lose weight so 9k would be a hard but good target to get max bulking during this cycle.

[robofish]

How many cycles have you ran? 1g of test is ALOT. Now im at a solid 215lbs at 5 foot 8 inches and i can eat about 3300calories and gain weight on it now i usaly try for 3.5k.
Ive tried a 4k diet and thats actually hard to do (for me it is anyways). A 9k diet i would say good luck and id bet my life on it that you can't do it (sry i dont mean to sound like a dick but thats MO).

If this is your first cycle i would NOT recommand this combo at all. If you never tried any of these substances befor and u start getting sides you will have no idea what is causeing it... (now assuming this is your first cycle) you would get really soild gains at half that amount on the test. But if thats the cycle you want to do and it sounds like you are not changing your mind than go for it and keep me posted on how its going for you.

O yeah about some of these so called skinny kids... some of those 165-175 "skinny kids" can out lift me and you... I know of one on here that hold the 180lb bench press record in Arkansas. Be careful where you month leads you cause it doesnt seem like you are making to many friends on here

[Sicko]

Well I am going to call

[SlimmerMe]

^^^x2

[dieselmuscle80]

That flag is comedy!

[ROCKWORKOUT]

How many cycles have you ran? 1g of test is ALOT. Now im at a solid 215lbs at 5 foot 8 inches and i can eat about 3300calories and gain weight on it now i usaly try for 3.5k.
Ive tried a 4k diet and thats actually hard to do (for me it is anyways). A 9k diet i would say good luck and id bet my life on it that you can't do it (sry i dont mean to sound like a dick but thats MO).

If this is your first cycle i would NOT recommand this combo at all. If you never tried any of these substances befor and u start getting sides you will have no idea what is causeing it... (now assuming this is your first cycle) you would get really soild gains at half that amount on the test. But if thats the cycle you want to do and it sounds like you are not changing your mind than go for it and keep me posted on how its going for you.

O yeah about some of these so called skinny kids... some of those 165-175 "skinny kids" can out lift me and you... I know of one on here that hold the 180lb bench press record in Arkansas. Be careful where you month leads you cause it doesnt seem like you are making to many friends on here

A 4k diet hard to do???
This is definitely a steroid site not body building site lol
my bulking morning example-

serious mass- 1250 cal
5 eggs with lean meat- 500cal
l wheat bagel- 300 cal
1/2 cup cottage cheese 2%- 100 cal
hyperbolic- 100 cal
GYM
Post workout
Serious mass- 1250 cal
ect.......

Lol boys that's 3500 Cal before the day even begins. Not even including solids! If any off you ask pro bodybuilders about there bulking calories me trying for 9k will seem like nothing!

[vettewreck]

The funny part is BOY... Im friends with SEVERAL pros and they all call BS on you 9k diet. And you still avoid the simple question of how many cycles have you ran. You said "a good base to start with".... so saying that with 750mg/wk test THEN changing it to 1g/wk sounds simply like you have no clue what youre doing. Im gonna guess this PROBABLY no more than your 2nd or 3rd cycle TOPS... My avatar pic is me... im not some "amature 165lbs kid who doesnt know what im talking ab"... I know my shit and I CALL BS!!! Im FAAAR bigger than you and I take in 4500cals per day and I still gain size. You basically have brought this apon yourself for continuing to ignore simple questions that give a background. And yet you ask advice on simple test and dbol oral cycle which leads everyone to beleive you are not seasoned enough to run that cycle and CERTAINLY not at 750/1g/wk of test. PEACE!!!

[Matt]

Those that think dbol and adrol at those doses are to harsh are wrong, infact there low for an advanced user. For some blood disorders children that are only 9 years old can be on much higher doses (400/700mgs per day).

However i dont believe the op, an advanced user would know the basics, like his pct wouldn't start where he has it starting and he loses all credibility when he talks about 9000cals. My guess is he's 16 and about 140lbs and living on another planet....

[Tony Stacks]

If you're going to stack orals, you should probably keep a liver transplant on hand instead of PCT lol

[Tony Stacks]

well i am going to call

hilarious!

[ROCKWORKOUT]

I love it. Its all BS cause I say Im shooting for 9k cal lol when I just showed you how simple it is to get 3500 in 3 hrs of the day. I talked with Ben White about 2 months back, he said he will pull in 12-14k off season. I have attached his personal email so you can prove me wrong Oh and who keeps track of there cycles after 10? You are right Ive done a lot of basic cycles of no more than 3 compounds, probably half right half wrong. But over 7 years I've still run a lot of shit. Im not a expert in chemical composition and effects on the body. But I have trained hard enough, long enough to have massive gains. I do see most info on these boards is pure speculation, rumors and miss information that keeps spreading like a virus. Im not here to prove anything diet, stats, Im just here to get more evidential info but there tends to be more shit talk then evidence!

[email protected]
( shut me down- attach his response that says he doesn't pull 12-14k off season and then you have proved BS.... If you cant ooh no I Might have more sense then what seems to be common around here.)

[MACHINE5150]

I think its stupid. And I think its funny how you post your thread asking a question... then basically saying "Im taking this cycle no matter what bc its safe" lolol Umm.. ok. If you think taking the worst possible oral for you liver, then adding MORE orals on top of that THEN saying its safe and fine and its the overal dosage not the combo, whatever. Anadrol alone, even at 50mg/ed is harsh on your liver. I use it at 50, but adding more orals on top of it is just stupid. So youre going into this cycle with a closed mind and youre only looking for answers that YOU want to hear. What are your stats by the way? Age, weight? waist size? Hight? How many cycles? How many years lifting WITH diet?

i disagree with this bud. All he is saying is that 40mg of Dbol and 50mg ADrol is like taking 90mg of Adrol.. which a lot of people (myself included just ran 100mg 5 weeks)
This is true.. because it would be measured in total mg of a AA17 compound.. I also would like to state that the damage on the liver by these steroids is greatly exaggerated at the doses/frequency the average BB is taking them. The liver of someone who takes an aspirin a day would be four times worse.. and someone who drinks on the weekends is much much worse than what the steroids do to your liver at normal doses.

[Sicko]

i disagree with this bud. All he is saying is that 40mg of Dbol and 50mg ADrol is like taking 90mg of Adrol.. which a lot of people (myself included just ran 100mg 5 weeks)
This is true.. because it would be measured in total mg of a AA17 compound.. I also would like to state that the damage on the liver by these steroids is greatly exaggerated at the doses/frequency the average BB is taking them. The liver of someone who takes an aspirin a day would be four times worse.. and someone who drinks on the weekends is much much worse than what the steroids do to your liver at normal doses.

But it is not, dbol is stronger per mg than drol.So it is not like taking 100mg of drol as you stated.All I am saying is you cannot just add the two drugs together and aquire a total mg based on the numbers.According to this quote from this sites profiles..
"How strong is Dbol? Well...on a mg for mg basis, most people agree that it's stronger than A50...but the reason most people don't get the same gains off of Dbol is that almost nobody takes equivalent doses (I mean...I've heard of people taking 150mgs of A50, but not Dbol, even though the dbol would probably provide more solid gains and be less toxic, I suspect)."

[dec11]

guys we are feeding a troll here, his story is full of holes, its obvious!!

[ROCKWORKOUT]

Yeah D-bol is probably stronger Mg for Mg. (lab rats or someone post up a study.) Anadrol is know to be more hepatoxic than Dianabol, but that is because it is usually taken in much larger dosages. If you posted a cycle on another board and include 100mg of anadrol in it. Then go post the same cycle with 100mg of dbol instead. Guarantee more people will scream about the dbol. That's why I think it is safer to mix if you run lesser of both, 50mgs anadrol and 20-30mgs of d-bol. Rather than higher doses like 60-80mgs D-bol or 150 Anadrol. These high dosages are not uncommon. Most people that run the 2 compounds together in lower dosages say they work wonderful and have a synergistic effect. So as far as combining the two and having it being harsher on your system? No, not compared to 80mg D-bol alone.

[Twist]

SO is 1mg of Dbol just as toxic as 1mg of Anadrol?

Sorry for the thread hijack; always wondered about this.

[dec11]

SO is 1mg of Dbol just as toxic as 1mg of Anadrol?

Sorry for the thread hijack; always wondered about this.

anadrol is considered the most toxic anabolic steroid available, that is unless some of the pro hormones now poss hold the title, im not well versed in them.

[Twist]

anadrol is considered the most toxic anabolic steroid available, that is unless some of the pro hormones now poss hold the title, im not well versed in them.

Is this because you take a high dose of it (150 mgs), or is it just on a mg/mg basis it is really toxic? that is what I would like to know.

Also why take it if dbol is better (and less toxic)? is there something that Anadrol offers that dbol doesn't?

[vettewreck]

[email protected]
( shut me down- attach his response that says he doesn't pull 12-14k off season and then you have proved BS.... If you cant ooh no I Might have more sense then what seems to be common around here.)

Who this Fvck is talking about Ben White?? Im talking about YOU!!! I could care less than a pro taking in 12-14k in off season. YOU are not a pro. YOU are not 250lbs. That is the difference between a pro taking in high cals and you. But whatever man. YOU know it all it seems so no need in posting anymore asking for advice.

[SEAF]

IMO most toxic mg to mg- Halotestin, D-bol, Anadrol.
Halo is only recomended at 20-30mg
D-Bol stronger more effective in low dosage but 30-50 mg
Anadrol just is taken in higher doasges so of course you take 150-200mg of any 17aa its going to be toxic

About this guy and 9000 calories... I had to bulk for a film role and they had me on 7000 cal a day. It sucked but I had to do it. I know Michael phelps in an interview said he needed to eat 10k a day! hes not a bulky dude either but I know he swims his ass off. I just agree people do it but hard as hell to do consistently.

[Twist]

Who cares about the tool who originally posted. He thinks drinking his cals is the same thing as eating calories. Sorry, huge difference. A weight gainer shake doesn't do shit, otherwise nobody would eat food.

So does this mean that a person could take (in theory, I would NEVER do this) 100mgs of dbol and it would be the same as taking 100mgs of anadrol?

What is the reason for taking anadrol over dbol?

[tjax03]

i disagree with this bud. All he is saying is that 40mg of Dbol and 50mg ADrol is like taking 90mg of Adrol.. which a lot of people (myself included just ran 100mg 5 weeks)
This is true.. because it would be measured in total mg of a AA17 compound.. I also would like to state that the damage on the liver by these steroids is greatly exaggerated at the doses/frequency the average BB is taking them. The liver of someone who takes an aspirin a day would be four times worse.. and someone who drinks on the weekends is much much worse than what the steroids do to your liver at normal doses.

Sorry but that is absolutely incorrect. I'm not going to say that taking orals will kill your liver, but they are without a doubt harder on the liver than aspirin, tylenol, or drinking.

[MACHINE5150]

SO is 1mg of Dbol just as toxic as 1mg of Anadrol?

Sorry for the thread hijack; always wondered about this.

theoretically it is not the compound itself that is toxic as much as the 17aa attachment that allows it to pass through your liver safely.. i am no pharmacist.. but i would assume 1mg of a 17aa=1mg of a 17aa... That being said, what that drug does for you after it passes the liver is a different story.. obviously halotestin or Dbol is more potent than Adrol.. but that does not necessarily mean that it is more Toxic.. i do not know the answer to that question.. but i would venture to say mg for mg they are equally toxic on the liver.. how toxic they are on other parts of your body is a different thread altogether.

[MACHINE5150]

Sorry but that is absolutely incorrect. I'm not going to say that taking orals will kill your liver, but they are without a doubt harder on the liver than aspirin, tylenol, or drinking.

yes.. they are worse than that, but i was putting it in context of how often you use them and at whatt doses.. i.e. someone who takes a few aspirin every day to thin their blood will have a worse liver than someone who takes Dbol for 5 weeks 2-3 times a year.. and you have doctors prescribing blood thinners to patients all the time..

All i am saying is that the "toxicity" is greatly exaggerated.. 99.999% of people can take orals at a normal doses with their cycles and will never have any liver problems.. you start seeing these destroyed livers in professional body builders that were eating these 17aa compounds like Dbol, Adrol, Winny etc like skittles and causing horror stories to flood the tabloids.

[S8jack3d]

It is nearly impossible to maintain a 4% bf on a 9k calorie diet unless you are doing massive amounts of cardio. And even then, it's still probably highly unlikely.