Quick question about jump starting HPTA

[ScotchGuard02]

I've really been concentrating on boning up on PCT recently. PCT is a must for any suppressive cycle. Ok, that's a given. If we're on a 12 week Test cycle or 8 week Anavar cycle, why wait until the end of the cycle to PCT? Why don't we take small amount of nolvadex, clomid, HCG during the cycle to prevent shutdown? How come we wait until we're completely or almost completely shutdown before we jump start the HPTA again? Do nolva, clomid, HCG prevent gains? Thanks

[Ernst]

You can use hcg throughout to keep the balls from shutting down (Have you read the pct stickies? Guess not, or you'd know that...), but the mechanism by which your body signals the testes to work is still going to be turned off via the negative feedback loop with all of that test or the like in your system. The Nolva and Clomi are to kickstart your body into producing that on it's own again. It's about more than just how your nuts look or work. Nolva may inhibit gains to a slight degree due to IGF1 suppression.

[ScotchGuard02]

I have read all the stickies on most of the forums. I have run HCG during cycle 250iu X 2/wk. I tell people to use HCG during cycle and PCT with Nolva & Clomid. I've done this PCT regiment several times after my cycle. I was wondering if nolva and clomid was used during cycle, would that prevent shut down? At least minimize the PCT required to jump start the HPTA.

[Userat204]

Nolva and clomid can't do that during the cycle. They only help the body begin to send the signal to start producing test once the injected test is gone. If you inject test, then take a serm, the body still won't begin to produce naturally because the body already has enough. If that makes any sense. It's all about the negative feedback loop. The body tries to keep a balance and if you put test in, it won't keep producing. I wish I could explain better.

[RaZr]

Basically the body only produces test if it needs it. Whether you stimulate it or not your body has no reason to make it if you have a massive amount its only in the test deficit that occurs at the end of a cycle that the production can even be stimulated.

[marcus300]

Testosterone production is governed by the HPTA and if you administrate exogenous testosterone you will eventually shut down your natural production via the feed back loop. HCG will mimic LH which will results in direct stimulation of the testes which will results in increases in testicular size and sperm production, HCG or even PCT compounds like nolva/clomid will not start natural testosterone production again because there is exogenous amounts testosterone being administrated and these compounds will not over ride the negative feed back loop. Only and when there isnt an abundance of testosterone will stimulation and regeneration of the HPTA can occur.

[Swifto]

Testosterone production is governed by the HPTA and if you administrate exogenous testosterone you will eventually shut down your natural production via the feed back loop. HCG will mimic LH which will results in direct stimulation of the testes which will results in increases in testicular size and sperm production, HCG or even PCT compounds like nolva/clomid will not start natural testosterone production again because there is exogenous amounts testosterone being administrated and these compounds will not over ride the negative feed back loop. Only and when there isnt an abundance of testosterone will stimulation and regeneration of the HPTA can occur.

End of discussion.

I actually had this debate with DC over at PM.com a few weeks back but his logic was flawed.