Defining T3 & Keto?

[jtuner77]

Trying to find out the exact definition of T3.

I have had some Clen, T3 and Keto laying around for a year or two(hope the shelf life is still good.) I remember buying it with some from AR-R and I actually ended up gaining weight when I started. Had a blood test and doc said I had hyperthyroidism(overactive thyroid.) I stopped all use at that point. I was using it to drop weight from 250. I am now at 183lbs down from 189 with just 2 weeks of Clen/T3 and my doc just put me on 20mg of Ritalin twice a day for my ADHD(these last few days I don't feel the shakes or sweats, think it's starting to wear off.)

I figure T3 is paired with Clen to almost "double up" on the possible scenario of fat loss.

Lastly I believe that Keto is a more cost effective form of Benadryl. Is this correct? I searched but couldn't find an exact answer. I found many posts about T3 and Keto but not defining how they work.

Any info would be appreciated.

[scotty51312]

Ritalin is an ampetamine, I wouldn't use clen with it, recipe for a heart attack

[jtuner77]

My HR is like 4-7 bpm higher then normal while doing cardio. Nothing insane. I actually feel tired on it. This in no way feels like how Ephedra used to feel.

[bjpennnn]

T4,T3 Explained
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=334746

Cytomel (T3)
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199815

Clen/T3
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...t=clen+cytomel

[Ladyblahblah]

Ritalin is an ampetamine, I wouldn't use clen with it, recipe for a heart attack

^x2. If you have hyperthyroidism I would definitely do your research on t3 before continuing with it, IMO.

[jtuner77]

Thank you very much sir.

[jtuner77]

^^^I had it. The T3 caused it like it does it everyone when taking large amounts. My thyroid went back to normal a month or 2 later.

[Ladyblahblah]

^^^I had it. The T3 caused it like it does it everyone when taking large amounts. My thyroid went back to normal a month or 2 later.

Ah, I see. Good luck with your search.

[MuttonChop]

Ritalin is a stimulant. Clen is a stimulant. I would be more worried about those two together.

T3 increases beta-2 androgenic receptors in muscles and fat cells. Clen works through its action as a beta-2 agonist. Hence, by taking T3, you are increasing the effectiveness of clen. That is the general gist of it. Also, at low doses of T3 (<75 mg approx), Clen should negate most of the muscle eating properties of T3.

And you got it the other way around. Benadryl is much much cheaper than Ketofin. Follow a 2 week on and 2 week off cycle if you do not have keto.

[scotty51312]

Ritalin is a stimulant. Clen is a stimulant. I would be more worried about those two together.

T3 increases beta-2 androgenic receptors in muscles and fat cells. Clen works through its action as a beta-2 agonist. Hence, by taking T3, you are increasing the effectiveness of clen. That is the general gist of it. Also, at low doses of T3 (<75 mg approx), Clen should negate most of the muscle eating properties of T3.

And you got it the other way around. Benadryl is much much cheaper than Ketofin. Follow a 2 week on and 2 week off cycle if you do not have keto.

I'm not sure if you're talking bout t3 dosage or clen dosage but either one would kill you at 75mg, Both are dosed in micrograms

[MuttonChop]

Ooops. Bad bad error on my part. I meant <75 mcg. Sorry mate.

[tony1032]

Ritalin is an ampetamine, I wouldn't use clen with it, recipe for a heart attack

Not actually an amphetamine, but the point is spot on.

Stimulant Rule #1: Do not mix with other stimulants.

[Cyclehard]

I am taking T3 to keep my weight down. As a cyclist it's a big focus and the discipline sometimes hard to muster up. Right now I am taking 5mcgs of T3 to keep my weight down. However, I have hypothyroidism and am on 100mcgs of t4 and 20mcgs of t3. I have upped my dose of t3 in the past more than 5mcgs but found that I stopped losing fat and started losing muscle. Then when I went back to my normal dose I put on a lot of weight (5-10lbs) and had trouble keeping it off. Am I to understand that benedryl will offset this? I'm def looking for suggestions on this matter.

[MuttonChop]

I personally need to understand hyperthyroidism better, but my question is, how are you seeing any benefits at 5 mcg or even 20 mcg of T3?

And remember, its the calorie deficit that is the key player in fat loss, not these compounds. Post your diet and activity level in the diet section for someone to critique it if you are not sure whether you are doing it correctly.

[Cyclehard]

Yes, I can see differences at such a low dose but then there is a plateau. I posted my diet, "Cyclist diet", in the diet section. I eat pretty well. We cyclists are usually in a caloric deficit. Burning 2,000-4,000kj's (roughly calories) per day isn't uncommon at all. So making up for that is hard but sometimes I eat a lot. So the T3 is something that will allow me to eat more while keeping the fat off. But my body fat is low, maybe 10% right now, but typically around 7%.

[jtuner77]

Today I stopped taking my Ritalin. I ordered some Keto and more Clen. Tonight I will go get some Benadryl.

I will just take Clen at 120mgs and reach the max of 140-160mgs and 40-60mgs of T3, but how much to dose of Keto a night?

[MuttonChop]

@jtuber77: Will you be fine without the Ritalin? But otherwise, you are good to go. You do not need both keto and benadryl. Keto should be dosed at 2mg/ED.

@cyclehard: At the huge calorie deficit, you have many many bad things happening to your body. Thyroid hormones are def low, but T3 supplementation can only help till a certain point. There are a host of other factors that play a role in the 'plateau' that you talk about. My advice for breaking the plateau would be to eat at maintenance or more for a week or two. The T3 will work again after that.

[jtuner77]

i am 2 days clean of the Ritalin and am not suffering from any focus/attention issues. I woke up feeling real tired this morning. Not sure if it's my body adjusting to the lack of Ritalin(even though when I took it I felt so unmotivated to workout) or if it was from the two benadryl pills I took last night. Took 120mgs of Clen this morning. No sweats, no shakes. Think I really need to clean out my receptors.

[Cyclehard]

@cyclehard: At the huge calorie deficit, you have many many bad things happening to your body. Thyroid hormones are def low, but T3 supplementation can only help till a certain point. There are a host of other factors that play a role in the 'plateau' that you talk about. My advice for breaking the plateau would be to eat at maintenance or more for a week or two. The T3 will work again after that.[/QUOTE]

So just eat what I need for a day plus kj's burned w/o the T3 and then I will break the plateau?

[Cyclehard]

Should I be using benadryl, too? What about I-GF1? Or do I not need that because I am on T4?

[ScotchGuard02]

Don't use benadryl, it doesn't really work. T4 works great with HGH.

[jtuner77]

So far I have tried Benadryl 2 nights in a row. i wake up tired as ****. I feel sluggish at work and I take my dose of Clen in the a.m. and feel no effects at all. How many cc's is in 2mg?