oral stack with winni tabs

[budge]

hi there all! i am currently 4 weeks into my oral winni cycle! pleased with results so far, even thou i'm only on a low dose at 30mg ed! seems enough to work for me with no joint pains! also taking precaution suppliments like milk thistle, udo's oils, glucosamine ect:

few stats
age 43
height 5ft 8in
body fat 11.7%

after cycle has ended i will allow plenty of time for the liver to recover and then do another cycle! i have plenty of winni tabs left but want to add dbol to the cycle to gain alittle more mass! i do understand that these two oral steriods are both harse on the liver and will take precautions. i know injection are safer but just cant do it! sorry.

if i do use both these orals together would it be better to split them up! say
week 1-4 dbol
week 4-8 winni
should i maybe do my pct in between dbol and winni thou?

i'm sure many will say if i'm too much of a wimp to use needles i should stay away from roids but i'm just asking for some advice on orals to stack with my winni tabs.
cheers

[scotty51312]

if you're already bald, and don't care about possible erectile dysfunction, Dbol and winny might do a little in the way of strenght and size, but I doubt you'll keep any of what you gain.

[jtuner77]

if you're already bald, and don't care about possible erectile dysfunction, Dbol and winny might do a little in the way of strenght and size, but I doubt you'll keep any of what you gain.

Took the words out of my mouth. Trust me OP as I know this first hand. I was taking 30mg of Winny for 10 weeks and I was losing hair and i couldnt get a boner to save my life and my nuts were like two lil raisins. Add test or dont do it.

I dont agree on the Winny gains statement though. I feel i gained 5-7lbs of mass that I kept on from that cycle but in no way did the gains from Winny with no Test justify the erectile dysfunction as well as the hair loss.

[budge]

yeah i do understand about hair loss using winni! althou i haven't noticed and extra hair loss since cycle! i'm already a bit thin on top, but that runs in the family. havent had any erectile problems thou.

maybe i do need to take time after my oral winni cycle and do some research on injecting and get over my fear before i do another cycle! i have come on this site to get advice from people with better knowledge than myself, so i would be a fool not to listen!

[jtuner77]

Trust me the erectile dysfunction doesn't rear it's ugly head right off the bat. i was about 5-6 weeks in when it became obvious same with the hair loss. If you can afford it get some test and mix it in or what would be even wiser IMO would be to get some Test and switch off the Winny and get on the Test. Take the test for 8-10 weeks and then at week 7 or 9 start taking the Winny at 30-50mg ED as well as having some AI/HCG/PCT when you are done.

I know they say that Winny can start to shut down natural test pretty quickly but I didn't see the noticeable change right off the bat either.

[budge]

ok fair enough good advice! at the mo i'm unable to afford test! would i be wise to end my cycle of winni, take time off to recover! then prepare my next cycle using test!

as for pct after winni i've been told there not needed but i've read its still advisable! i already have nolvadex on hand and was thinking of doing
wk1 20mg
wk2 20mg
wk3 10mg
wk4 10mg

as i've said i'm just coming to the end of 4 weeks only using 30mg ad of winni!

thanks again

[jtuner77]

^^^Yes end it now IMO and use the winny to your advantage with Test. Make sure to take some PCT when you end it. Many say you dont need it and by the compound you really dont but better to be safe then sorry IMO.

When you go back on with Test I recommend bumping the Winny up to 50MG ED and Test Prop 500MG once a week and your PCT as well.

[budge]

ok i'll end the cycle and take PCT just incase! in your opinion do you think i need to take PCT for 4 weeks?, have nolvadex on hand!

what the best test to take for my first injection steriod? i've seen cycles using deca250 with winni

[TestRules]

Here is a sample for u;

12 week cycle
1-12 500 mg Test-Cyp - (250mg Mon, 250 mg Thur)
2-12 Fincar 1.25 mg ED - (generic Propecia)
2-13 Armidex .25mg EoD

PCT(14days after last cyp shot) Clomid 100/50/50/50

[TestRules]

I recommend Test Cypionate, broken up into 2x250mg week (Mon+thur). Cyp is slower+longer+generally cheaper. Prop is fast+pricey and should be hit EOD so for a 1st timer that's tough.

[jtuner77]

I recommend Test Cypionate, broken up into 2x250mg week (Mon+thur). Cyp is slower+longer+generally cheaper. Prop is fast+pricey and should be hit EOD so for a 1st timer that's tough.

True. I just have better luck at finding Prop quickly and the price isn't a monsterous amount more then Cyp which when it comes time for me to find it, it is like a Unicorn.

[budge]

yeas as it will be mt first time and hate the thought of learning to inject, i'd like the first cycle to be once or twice a week!

as i have already got plenty of winni tabs left how could i cycle winni into the stack? don't really want to just throw the little buggers away after spending my hard earned cash...

[jtuner77]

Week 1-6 Test 500mg(2 shots of 250 twice a week)
week 7-10 Test 500mg, Winny 50mg EOD
then follow with your PCT and if you feel you want some AI & HCG.

[TestRules]

Week 1-6 Test 500mg(2 shots of 250 twice a week)
week 7-10 Test 500mg, Winny 50mg EOD
then follow with your PCT and if you feel you want some AI & HCG.

I agree with ituner77

[songdog]

When all else fails.Try doing some research.Not bustin on you.But people always ask after they start something.WHY? Now if you took the time to read the profiles of those compounds or even asked BEFORE you started.You couldve save yourself some possable trouble.Good luck.

[budge]

thanks guys! that gives me something to think about! time for me to do some research on injecting.

[budge]

very true! i ****ed up a bit, but on the right track now............

last question before i over stay my welcome1 just wanna make sure i'm doing my PCT right now that i've decided to stop the winni.

i have nolvadex on hand, should i start PCT straight away?

[THE-DET-OAK]

good to stop winny, at your age especially, it does a number on your cholesterol, anavar has tendency to do this as well. and yea PCT the day after your last oral.

[cantbetouched]

36 dollars you can buy test for 36 dollars. you dont have 36 dollars but you could buy winni tabs which cost what 100 dollars for your cycle.
Really buddy 36 dollars best money for the results you can buy.
Good Luck.