To: Austinite, Cape, STPete, Muscle INk, Bonaparte, Gixxer, And the Likes........

[warmouth]

Hey guys! I have never ran a bulking cycle before and since you guys have a grasp of my stats and health isues, what do you guys think of running TBOL the first 4-5 weels to kick start a 10 week Test C cycle? I dont want Dbol or anadrol, just something that will help me put onmass and make me want to eat my brains out. I was actually thinking of bumping from 500mgs a week to possibly 600 Test. I just didnt know the protocol for Tbol, as I dont see a whole lot about it anymore. What I have found, they dose it much like avavar, which seems excessive. Any tips it I am leaning the right way or back up and regroup? Thanks alot!

[AD]

you might want to consider doing the standard test only cycle, 400mg/wk x 12wks. with hcg and ai oct, and nolva clomid pct.

[Bonaparte]

What health issues or concerns do you have?

[The Titan99]

Tbol is excellent. It acts like Anavar's big brother on me. I like to run it 50 mg ed for 60 days.

[gearbox]

you might want to consider doing the standard test only cycle, 400mg/wk x 12wks. with hcg and ai oct, and nolva clomid pct.

I would run all of this.
You can change to 500 or 600 of test a week.
Tbol would be fine the first 4 weeks

[warmouth]

What health issues or concerns do you have?

Hypertension (daily meds for it dont work good on cycle). I took your advice about the Cia. Checking on getting beta blockers for heart rate if it gets uo. And insomnia.

[warmouth]

Titan_ You take it for 60 days? and is 50mgs sufficient for me?
Guys- I am on TRT so I dont need PCT. I will run liquidex @ .25 EOD and cia E3Ds

Basically just want ashort bulk to kick start my diet and follow though with that til Feb then Test/Trentime/maybe masteron(undecided)

[The Titan99]

Titan_ You take it for 60 days? and is 50mgs sufficient for me?
Guys- I am on TRT so I dont need PCT. I will run liquidex @ .25 EOD and cia E3Ds

Basically just want ashort bulk to kick start my diet and follow though with that til Feb then Test/Trentime/maybe masteron(undecided)

Tbol is one of those orals I like to take straight on thru the whole cycle, just like Anavar. For a good lean bulk where you keep a majority of your gains, Test/Tren/Masteron/Tbol/Proviron/HGH is hands down the best. The Masteron/Proviron combo eliminate any sexual issues from the Tren (or deca for that matter) and turn me into a machine...lol!!The Tren and Masteron can play hell with your blood pressure so be advised if your looking for something specific to your medical condition you'd do well to listen to some of the guy's with a broader understanding than me. I would think if you have BP issues larger doses of Test/HGH and then maybe an oral like Tbol would be safest (although not sure on the Tbol). Of course HGH is expensive, but so is Masteron and Tren, LOL!!

One thing you need for sure. You can buy a nice BP machine for not much money. Like an airspeed indicator on a plane, you need to keep an eye on that BP....

[warmouth]

Tbol is one of those orals I like to take straight on thru the whole cycle, just like Anavar. For a good lean bulk where you keep a majority of your gains, Test/Tren/Masteron/Tbol/Proviron/HGH is hands down the best. The Masteron/Proviron combo eliminate any sexual issues from the Tren (or deca for that matter) and turn me into a machine...lol!!The Tren and Masteron can play hell with your blood pressure so be advised if your looking for something specific to your medical condition you'd do well to listen to some of the guy's with a broader understanding than me. I would think if you have BP issues larger doses of Test/HGH and then maybe an oral like Tbol would be safest (although not sure on the Tbol). Of course HGH is expensive, but so is Masteron and Tren, LOL!!

One thing you need for sure. You can buy a nice BP machine for not much money. Like an airspeed indicator on a plane, you need to keep an eye on that BP....

Thank you! I check my BP daily for sure. I just had no idea of the TBOL as the duration of use. It sounds great as far an seemingly low on bloat. Definitely sticking to Test only w/ 1 oral, and I think Tbol might be perfect for my bulk. I am jusy going for a shorty to help assist me in wanting to eat the planet and kick start diet more so than gains(to an extent). I want the gains, but I am more concerned with the clean bulk. Wanting to finish up early in order to get to the cut. That way I can try and hold more weight in the meantime before I cut back down. And I would go GH,but due to the price, I dontthinkitisin the cards for me rightnow, at least until I cangeta legitsource. No reason for me to drop 2 paychecks on something that could be fake garbage. That would suck.

[kelkel]

What about ghrp6 and mod to improve appetite? Cheap, effective. Also take a look at Doxazosin for BP. Taken low dose at 1mg x 2 per day may help. It also works as an alpha blocker / smooth muscle relaxer which as a by-product will help erection quality, especially combined with cialis.

[Capebuffalo]

I don't like to run an oral that long but that is me. 4-5 weeks
12 weeks on the cyp 500 pw 250x2
AI
HCG 500 ius pw 250x2
Lay your pct out while we are doing this.

DIET DIET DIET DIET What am I trying to tell you? DIET thats right.

[gearbox]

If you are going to run tbol for more then 6 weeks I would get some liver support. personally I would run liver support anyways because you are running an oral.
get your diet calculated for best results.

good job on bp also. I take bp pills when running certain compunds

[The Titan99]

Thank you! I check my BP daily for sure. I just had no idea of the TBOL as the duration of use. It sounds great as far an seemingly low on bloat. Definitely sticking to Test only w/ 1 oral, and I think Tbol might be perfect for my bulk. I am jusy going for a shorty to help assist me in wanting to eat the planet and kick start diet more so than gains(to an extent). I want the gains, but I am more concerned with the clean bulk. Wanting to finish up early in order to get to the cut. That way I can try and hold more weight in the meantime before I cut back down. And I would go GH,but due to the price, I dontthinkitisin the cards for me rightnow, at least until I cangeta legitsource. No reason for me to drop 2 paychecks on something that could be fake garbage. That would suck.

Ankebio Ansomone is absolutely the best Pharmaceutical HGH for the money to be had. Ronnie Rowland recommended it to me. Check it out.

[warmouth]

Kelkel- Thank you. I will look into those ASAP! That BP med sounds good so far for sure.

Cape- Of course diet! Thats the #1 thing taught here. You thinkin' I am not a listener? ha ha. PCT is unnecessary as I am on TRT. I have not considered HCG. I have researched it and thought it over, but its mostly about speeding up recovery by lessening the "shrinking" from my understanding. I got small nuts anyways, but thats not the important part. If HCG is becoming more necessary, I will consider it, I just felt it was not needed as urgent for TRT. Thank you.

Gearbox- Thanks for the advice. I run a liver support always. I used to use milk thistle daily until joining the forums. Now I take UDCA @ 250mgs ED, or 500mgs ED if I take anything like tylenol or supplements(OTC, like nutrition store) that I dont know much about ingredients used. Diet has been adjusted for the bulk and has been in effect as of 2 weeks ago. Will continue to use the same diet until december, then adjust the caloric intake based on TDEE to prep for the cutting phase.

I would like to note: I freaking love this crap!

Titan- Research will be on as soon as I press "quick reply"! Thank you!

[stpete]

I suggest you keep it nice and simple w/the best and current compound you're on. Run it @ 600mgs and see what you think. I believe you'll like it.

[warmouth]

I suggest you keep it nice and simple w/the best and current compound you're on. Run it @ 600mgs and see what you think. I believe you'll like it.

I am going to stpete. I stayed up late last night reading through. I am on nothing at the moment, but I belive I will do a basic Cyp @ 500, maybe 600 for12 weeks instead of going 8 as mentioned. I might go 10, Ill just see how I feel about it. I will go for 1 or 2 more compounds this spring, but for now, I am a bit inexperienced for many different. I might start a mild oral for 4 weeks, but probably not. And I would like to add that this forum has evolved so much since it started in 2001. Have you guys read the first posts from back then? WOW!

[Far from massive]

Ankebio Ansomone is absolutely the best Pharmaceutical HGH for the money to be had. Ronnie Rowland recommended it to me. Check it out.

Titan, Mean no disrespect but you should look at the thread on fake HGH, seems even Anki had been haviing some problems lately.