Bloodwork while on TRT

[black6]

So I have been on TRT for 6 months or so and have had many BW's done. Here is my most recent numbers. Thought I would have you guys look at them and see what you thought. Everything looked good imo, but the T-levels was high. I feel great and have zero sides, but how could you "blast" with numbers like this? Are people on 400-500mg which is a starter blast T-levels 5000K? Not saying I was going to, just a thought. I dont think I want to change a thing, Like I said I "feel" great and that is why I started this whole process.


Value Range Units
Estradiol 18 10-40 pg/ml
FSH 0.6 1.0-18 IU/L
Free T4 0.76 0.61-1.76 ng/dl
LH 0.5 1.8-8.6 IU/L
PSA 1.2 <=2.5 ng/ml
SHBG 28 10-57 nmol/L
T3 2.8 2.0-3.5 pg/ml
Test free 100.4 9-30 ng/dl
test Total 2230 240-950 ng/dl <---wow really?
TSH 1.84 0.45-4.50 mlU/L



Im on 200mg of test Cyp a week and E2 blockers. Anything to worry about? I have 9 pages of test these just seem like the big points to note.

[HRTstudent]

Honestly that is not medicinal T therapy at that level. That is far, far beyond a physiologic dose for you. If your doctor is ok with these numbers I would look for a new one.

[brazilian86]

In my opinion everyone is different, some people it takes 200mg weekly to reach good levels of testosterone, some are good with 100mg. Some people are just jealous of higher levels because they once used it for sports related!!! And also because their doctors won't give them more than 100mg. That's a FACT!!!!
But no hard feelings, I myself take 200mg weekly and it's the perfect dose for me, I have Chrons disease and maybe that's why I may need a little more!

[zaggahamma]

well obviously your numbers are super physiological which most doctor are not comfortable with...

you are controlling it with the e blockers it sounds

200 is usually a high dose to be on for a long time but thats not your question ...i will give u my o on that...

500mg of test as a blast...eh...could be possible to get your T in the 4,000 plus...ive seen a few posts as such..

question for you...why? u can make nice slow gains on what your doing now and in my personal experience and from being on this site for 6 years i have the opinion that just upping your test (trt) to a "blast" dose wont give u that much more gains IF ANY...

u may try it for a month ...maybe 6 weeks for yourself and see for yourself...i had a lot better gains when keeping my dose low/moderate and adding in low/moderate deca....well...not that easy u may say....usually need to go underground for that substance or an anti aging clinic if they continue to provide that...

well thats my .02 for now..

welcome and good luck

[JD250]

On what day did you have that test done.......how many days after your injection?

[black6]

I had the test done on a Monday evening I think. It was 3 days after a shot. I was really just surprised and confused that 200mg would get it that high. That was mainly the question of the "blast". Are lifters trying to get it 4-5k? Others had asked the question about doing it before and is there really anypoint of getting it this high or is 200mg=2200 count normal ratio? I have to say that after reading stuff around here I would have never thought it would have been that high.

As far as HRT's post........my lvls were within "normal" range, 313 I think so my GP and other Doctors I went to would do nothing for me. So thats why I went to an AA clinic and have done more BW then I have done my whole life in the past 6 months. They are a candy store imo, so thats why Im trying to keep up on everything and have this make work for the long run, but good info there.lol

[lovbyts]

Numbers look good for a nice little blast. at least you know you dont have to go up to 400 or 500 to get good results. If you want to be at good HRT levels I would suggest using around .75 - 100 and see how you feel and what your numbers are. I'm at .75 mg a week to be at normal levels. That way I also have more than enough for a months worth and store up a little bit for those special time. when needed.

[steroid.com 1]

So I have been on TRT for 6 months or so and have had many BW's done. Here is my most recent numbers. Thought I would have you guys look at them and see what you thought. Everything looked good imo, but the T-levels was high. I feel great and have zero sides, but how could you "blast" with numbers like this? Are people on 400-500mg which is a starter blast T-levels 5000K? Not saying I was going to, just a thought. I dont think I want to change a thing, Like I said I "feel" great and that is why I started this whole process.


Value Range Units
Estradiol 18 10-40 pg/ml
This a bit low. Ideally, you'd like to be in the low to mid 20's. How much of an AI are you taking?

FSH 0.6 1.0-18 IU/L
Useless panel at this point.

Free T4 0.76 0.61-1.76 ng/dl
This is low and may suggest a Thyroid problem. Doc's like to see this thyroxine t4 hormone near the high end of the range.

LH 0.5 1.8-8.6 IU/L
Useless panel at this point.

PSA 1.2 <=2.5 ng/ml
Tad high. What was this before you started and did it rise when you started your TRT protocol?

SHBG 28 10-57 nmol/L
Fine.

T3 2.8 2.0-3.5 pg/ml
You're converting T4 to T3 is ok, better if over 3.0. Points to Thyroid again.

Test free 100.4 9-30 ng/dl
Giddy-Up!

test Total 2230 240-950 ng/dl <---wow really?
Do I really need to comment here???

TSH 1.84 0.45-4.50 mlU/L
Given low T4 I find this of interest. Your TSH level is fine meaning that the Thyroid is functioning fine.


Im on 200mg of test Cyp a week and E2 blockers. Anything to worry about? I have 9 pages of test these just seem like the big points to note.

Question; are you taking hCG with this protocol? Both of your test panels are through the roof YET your E2 levels are slightly under ideal...you'd expect to see that assay high as well.

How do you feel?

At these Test ranges I am interested.

[black6]

Question; are you taking hCG with this protocol? Both of your test panels are through the roof YET your E2 levels are slightly under ideal...you'd expect to see that assay high as well.

Well the why the run it is like a "cycle", meaning currently I do 12 weeks of cyp @ 200mg on Friday's with Sun and Wed taking Anastrozole (1mg) each of those days. Then on Tue/Thur I take 10mg of Tamoxifen. After the 12 weeks I do 1000ui of HCG EOD for 3 weeks following the same pill intake. I go natural for 2 weeks then start again. I asked why and they said since I pay for everything what happens if I run out of cash for whatever reason and cant continue? They didnt want me to fall off a cliff and wanted my normal low (313) levels to be there as a back-up. Makes sense, but IDK

How do you feel? I feel great. Sex drive is good. Zero sides, not even a zit really. Ball size the same,lol

At these Test ranges I am interested.

For the long run do you see any problems? Could having T at these lvls be a problem? On 03/31/11 (before TRT) my PSA lvl was 0.86 with a range of 0.0-4.0 ng/ml. In July (first "cycle")they were 0.76 when I was tested. LH/FSH were within range after first cycle the "natural" period.

IDK, I feel good just thought I would post these things up here and see what you all thought. I have read "bass's" post about blasting and thought if I was 2200+ what good would it be for me to be any higher. Not going to do it, but the question came to my head.

Thanks for the look JP and GD

[JD250]

Those t levels are very high but the blood work was done at the peak, I would take the next blood work on the day of the injection so you can see what the low end looks like.

[dfwo]

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I'm just curious, why do you say the LH and FSH are useless?

[APIs]

I had the test done on a Monday evening I think. It was 3 days after a shot. I was really just surprised and confused that 200mg would get it that high. That was mainly the question of the "blast". Are lifters trying to get it 4-5k?

Mine are normally 1500+ on 200 mgs Test Cyp but it does vary. Having BW done only 3 days after last inject could have a lot to do with the numbers. Everybody processes Test Cyp differently. I'd say the numbers will likely differ significantly if you have BW done on the 4th or 5th day after last injection. As for blasting, I'd agree with JPK. Numbers don't mean a whole lot IMO, it's your sustained training habits while on TRT that matter most. I've blasted before and didnt really see any significant gains. Maybe some additional fullness more than anything. Then again, I lift hard & heavy all the time regardless lol...

[steroid.com 1]

I'm just curious, why do you say the LH and FSH are useless?

Because you are in HPTA shut down...

[funkymonk]

Because you are in HPTA shut down...

And there's no chance of them coming back, nor would it really even matter if they did.

Have you talked to your doc about these/this test? I'd seriously consider throttling back to 1000ng/pl tops IMO.
For comparisons sake, my serum test is ~800 on the same scale 3.5 days after a 100mg injection, with on hCG/AI.

[steroid.com 1]

Honestly that is not medicinal T therapy at that level. That is far, far beyond a physiologic dose for you. If your doctor is ok with these numbers I would look for a new one.

I concur with hrt; this thread is better served in the Anabolic forum, this is not TRT protocol or therapy.

And also agree; if your "Doctor' is okay with this protocol and your test panels I'd look for a new one as well.

[steroid.com 1]

[QUOTE=funkymonk;5794614]And there's no chance of them coming back, nor would it really even matter if they did.

It's concerning to me that you're even asking this question.

Yes it matters. If you ever go off your TRT protocol you will need to be restarted...and it's a hit or miss with long term TRT protocols. If you're just "blasting" or "cycling" then you need to go into the other forums here and have these discussions.

Most, it not all of us here, are on TRT programs that are age related or due to something else like injury.

You should know this stuff before you started this "TRT" regime as it can do much harm if not managed correctly.

[bass]

my thoughts exactly regarding the question GD!

OP, i can't add anything more than what everyone else said. for me i was on 200mgs per week and my level was around 1500 and free test was through the roof as well, and i did the blood work one day before injection day, i am sure if i did it 3 day after injection my levels would have been close to yours. to tell you the truth even though high numbers look good it doesn't mean its good or its going to be better. i am on 100 mgs per week and feel so much better than when i was on 200 mgs. everyone is different but its worth a try to lower your dose to get your levels in the normal range and see how you feel! BTW based on your blood work your PSA has gone up to half the normal range, you mentioned it was 0.86 (range 0-4) and based on your latest blood work it shows 1.2 <2.5, thats half way of the range. am i reading this correctly?!

[black6]

Yeah, I have only been on this for 6 months now. I may tone it down to 150mg and see what that is like, then maybe 100mg. IDK, but isn't this all kinda a trail an error type of process? Maybe they went too high to start but its easy enough to drop it back down. I do think these type of questions belong in this section. In the AAS section they would be talking me to jack it up. Lets try not to act like because the numbers are high I'm going after something else. These are normal questions and the reason ppl ask here is to draw from the knowledge of others that have gone down this road before us. I thank everyone for their input but Bass's reply was very helpful. Till this process becomes mainstream the amount of normal GP's are very limited, hence the spring of AA clinics.

@Bass, thanks for your reply. As far as the PSA levels, I will have to check into the ranges. The first test was done by another lab then the last two, but it does appear that the level is going up. Next BW is in Feb so I will keep an eye on it.

[bass]

Yeah, I have only been on this for 6 months now. I may tone it down to 150mg and see what that is like, then maybe 100mg. IDK, but isn't this all kinda a trail an error type of process? Maybe they went too high to start but its easy enough to drop it back down. I do think these type of questions belong in this section. In the AAS section they would be talking me to jack it up. Lets try not to act like because the numbers are high I'm going after something else. These are normal questions and the reason ppl ask here is to draw from the knowledge of others that have gone down this road before us. I thank everyone for their input but Bass's reply was very helpful. Till this process becomes mainstream the amount of normal GP's are very limited, hence the spring of AA clinics.

@Bass, thanks for your reply. As far as the PSA levels, I will have to check into the ranges. The first test was done by another lab then the last two, but it does appear that the level is going up. Next BW is in Feb so I will keep an eye on it.

please keep us posted, we are here to help each other and learn while doing it. BTW, you need to fast from sex for at least 24 hours before you test for PSA, otherwise ejaculation can raise up your PSA! something to conceder for your next PSA test.

[black6]

please keep us posted, we are here to help each other and learn while doing it. BTW, you need to fast from sex for at least 24 hours before you test for PSA, otherwise ejaculation can raise up your PSA! something to conceder for your next PSA test.

LOL, "Well there's your problem". I'm glad you said that. It was tested on Monday and I know the weekend was 50% sex and 50% sleep. And if you think about it, my sex drive was gone before I started this whole thing, so the number would have been clean.

[HRTstudent]

From the medical literature I have read TRT is a trial and error to be sure. When starting on T therapy you schedule initial follow ups within weeks to a month or two. From a physician's standpoint, I believe, that most would start one too low rather than too high. The goal with T therapy is really about quality of life, and not necessarily level of testosterone. Nothing in the literature suggests that supraphysiologic T levels will be better for the patient. Long term success is really what the goal is, I believe.