Why is gear discouraged for the naturally slim?

[Lothario Hermes]

Yes, hello, please feel free to share your wisdom (and explainations)

Why is gear discouraged for the naturally slim?
If not, why can't the dosage be brought down to proportion?
Also, why are test-e cycles always around 500mg weekly
And how does it compare to 250mg biweekly.
What happens if a person only administers 300/400 weekly.
And how does a person go about calculating an appropriate
Dose of Arimedex. Is a 10 week cycle of test-ethanate better for
A beginner over a 12 week cycle? T-ethanate v.s. T-Cypionate?

And lastly, what does HRT stand for. And will my cock shrink? Kidding..

Answer what you can. Thank you, come again.

[Bigd89]

Read the stickies brotha

[Lothario Hermes]

Wow that beginner starter pack sure helps
But it doesn't say anything about why it's a bad idea
To gear up, all it says is diet, diet, diet...if your light
Not that i disagree...but why not both, ya dig?

[CMB]

Yes, hello, please feel free to share your wisdom (and explainations)

Why is gear discouraged for the naturally slim? It isn't. But, odds are if you're still very skinny, then you first need to learn naturally to build muscle.
If not, why can't the dosage be brought down to proportion? n/a
Also, why are test-e cycles always around 500mg weekly? This is just a standard cycle dosage.
And how does it compare to 250mg biweekly. This is how Test E is used. If I was doing 400mgs a week, I would inject 200mgs every 3.5 days apart. Monday mourning, thursday night...ect.
What happens if a person only administers 300/400 weekly. Results will be very clear.
And how does a person go about calculating an appropriate dose of Arimedex? http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...hlight=armidex
Is a 10 week cycle of test-ethanate better than a beginner over a 12 week cycle? 12 weeks is recommended for a reason. Testosterone E by itself takes about 3-4 weeks to kick-in.
T-ethanate v.s. T-Cypionate? Testosterone is testosterone. The difference between ethan and cyp is that cyp is a slower acting testosterone, having a significantly higher half life.

And lastly, what does HRT stand for. And will my cock shrink? Kidding..
Hormone replacement therapy. It could happen to you if you don't do a proper pct and your hormones aren't right. And yes, it will.

Answer what you can. Thank you, come again.

Bold

[The Titan99]

I don't have the energy to answer all of these so here's the first one. If your skinny (AKA naturally slim) there are several reasons to not use AAS. First and foremost, if your skinny you have not been lifting weights for very long or your not lifting appropriately (I don't want to be big, I just want to get toned up(said in a high-pitched whining tone) HA HA!). Your ligaments, joints, stabilizer muscles aren't properly developed and you don't know proper lifting techniques, guidelines or form. The sudden increases in muscle strength combined with these previously mentioned points will almost always result in serious and sometimes permanent injury. Secondly, a skinny person who has been lifting correctly for a long period of time doesn't have a clue about diet, how to eat to gain lean muscle mass and therefore the steroids will have ZERO effect on them making the risk (significant) to reward (none) ratio unacceptable. AAS are for reaching beyond what is attainable through training, diet and proper rest and recovery. Things that may affect these things from person to person may be genetics, age, body type (not naturally slim...lol) It's important to understand that this isn't just some high-minded idealistic BS, but really the only way that AAS are effective. I hope this helps a little...

[Lothario Hermes]

Your ligaments, joints, stabilizer muscles aren't properly developed and you don't know proper lifting techniques, guidelines or form. The sudden increases in muscle strength combined with these previously mentioned points will almost always result in serious and sometimes permanent injury. I hope this helps a little...

Thanks Titan. So there is a sudden increase in mass, yes!

I will research my diet for now till my gear comes knocking on my door.

[The Titan99]

There will be rapidSTRENGTH gains, not size as much. This is how you get hurt. AAS doesn't build ligament.

[gixxerboy1]

and since you dont know how to eat to gain weight naturally you will not gain as much on cycle and will loose it after because you cant eat to maintain it.

[Lothario Hermes]

Well, im bent on gearing up, so...will see how things work out.

[gixxerboy1]

Well, im bent on gearing up, so...will see how things work out.

and this is why steroids get a bad wrap. You have no idea how your body works and how to make it grow. Instead of learning that and gaining weight naturally which would be easy if done right. You will take drugs gain some weight. Loose it all and possibly screw yourself up.

[shennen]

Something about that avatar makes me............
<-bursting from excitement

[Far from massive]

To the OP, I can understand your desire to grow as I was an ectomorph myself. So hit the diet and workout forums and post up your wieght age etc. as well as your workout routine and diet then take the time to listen to the respected board members who take the time to post their recommendations. After incorporating these recommendations into your routine you will grow naturally then when you have built you natural base feel free to cycle...Assuming of course that you are 25 yrs old or older?

[songdog]

Bro back in the early 80s all we ran was test 250mg.But now with all these pros doing mega dosing.All these guys think you cant grow off 300mg.Seems like someone pulled 500mg a week out of the air one day.So people think thats wat they need.Some sources even sell beginner cycle kits.%00mg per week.More money for them.More test than you need.And if you can eat and gain weight aas wont help.This is proven.

[yungone501]

Titan99 hit it all square on the round head in his first response!

Nothing more to say...

[yungone501]

And to songdog, just out of boredom and curiousity (and flat out just being one of your biggest fans), what are your stats? If you've been using since the 80's, youve got to be a beast, right?

[Bigd89]

And to songdog, just out of boredom and curiousity (and flat out just being one of your biggest fans), what are your stats? If you've been using since the 80's, youve got to be a beast, right?

He is the beast from the east...

[lovbyts]

I remember the days when I worked out 6x a week, 1 1/2 hrs ever day and ate really good (or so I thought) but I could not gain weight. I was stuck between 145 and 155 max after several years of training.

Gee once I learned how to eat properly I put on another 30+ lbs. It's all about diet, not gear. Sure you can bulk up with good gear to a point but you will loose it all just as fast and everyone will laugh at you behind your back and you will hear that familiar cough (roids).

You should listen to the advice given but if not it's your choice and when you come back asking how to take care of your ED or other aas related issues dont mind us when we LOL and say told you so.

BTW naturally slim means you get more exercise than food intake calories just as naturally obese they get more food intake/calories than exercise. Fat parents have fat kids due to diet, not genetics in 99%.

[songdog]

I wish I was a beast.But a long lay off from the gym.Driving truck got bad out of shape.Got up to 275 fat.Got hurt rotorcuff 1 inch gap.Tore bicep tendon off bone.3 blown discs.I dieted down to 230.There I stay only loose size now.Not weight.5ft 9 230.Not ripped yet but gettin there.I have more vascularty now than when I was a kid.

[lovbyts]

I hear you songdog, I'm right there with you and the 3 blown discs, 2 surgeries on the back, 2 shoulders the doctors say I need to have surgery one due to tears and bone spurs among other injuries and typical life events making it hard to stay on track.

Just think if we knew as a kid what we know now about diet and worked as hard as we are working now.

[The Titan99]

Ha! Two disks, rotator cuff, bi tendon and something with my elbow I don't even know... This has turned into the geriatric. Thread of the month...lol.

[SlimmerMe]

Food is your best chemical. Period.

And the secret to ALL of those BIG buffed guys you see in the gym. Those guys sharing this "tip" in the gym would be like your mom sharing her secret ingredient of her favorite recipe. Every single guy who looks great does one thing in common: HE COUNTS EVERY SINGLE MORSEL OF FOOD THAT GOES IN HIS MOUTH. Do you think it is all about the steroids? If you do, then you need to hang out here long enough to catch onto the secret ingredient.

And that can be found in one place here. The Diet Questions forum.

See ya there!

[TheClinch]

Food is your best chemical. Period.

And the secret to ALL of those BIG buffed guys you see in the gym. Those guys sharing this "tip" in the gym would be like your mom sharing her secret ingredient of her favorite recipe. Every single guy who looks great does one thing in common: HE COUNTS EVERY SINGLE MORSEL OF FOOD THAT GOES IN HIS MOUTH. Do you think it is all about the steroids? If you do, then you need to hang out here long enough to catch onto the secret ingredient.

And that can be found in one place here. The Diet Questions forum.

See ya there!

Appluading!

[songdog]

You wonder why he aint listening? He is only 22.He will have the next thread.(Plz help me)

[songdog]

Come on Titan! I was benchin more than you squat! when you were still in diapers LOL

[The Titan99]

And walking to school 10 miles up hill...both ways!!!;-)