New Old Guy full of questions

[geezer]

I have been reading some but not sure if I am getting the correct info so I joined this site to try to get an education.. I am 63 years old 5' 9" 190 lb and pretty much getting older and out of shape a little every day. I joined a club but really not getting ahead very fast. I thought I might get a trainer for a while and try a couple cycles with T. I am not sure if the trainers there are into T but a couple of them look like maybe they could be. Hate to embarass someone by asking. ( mainly me)
So far just by reading the net this is some stuff I have come up with. I looked up the scientific names of the supplements as to not use brand names. Hope this is OK. Anyone that cares to email me please do . I read I am supposed to get this stuff from India, Finasteride to keep my hair from falling out, clomiphene to keep my body producing its own testosterone and anastrozole to keep testosterone from turning to estrogen. Cant find the bladders of testosterone that were reccomended.
Anyway I would like to do a couple cycles by reload and deload every 8 weeks then 2 weeks deload as recomended in this site. Start with 500 mg Test wk. and the other supplements above. So how far am I off??
If a person my age put up a fair challenge for the 18 weeks period ,what would be a fair guess as to how my pounds of mussel could be put on in the first 18 weeks?

[Dr Pepper]

Have you been to the doc to get your test levels checked? Might be able to get on trt, could be the best option for you...

[geezer]

Thanks Pepper
Yes I did Not go to the Dr to have T tested but he done a bunch of test basically to see why I was tired. T came up only 2 hundred and something. He put me on 50 mg gel everyday. From what I read I might get 5mg of this 50mg into my blood stream. I will have to say it picked up my spirits a bit + got a deeper voice and shrunken nuts. Cant say that 35mg a week is helping that much in the mussel building game. Would just like to see whats possible with 500mg in a couple reloads then go back to maybe a 100mg inject a week which I may be able to talk my Dr out of. I dont know. He is old Dr and he aint crazy about this stuff. But I will worry about that later. For now I would like to try a couple reloads with the 500 mg T week to see what happens. And was kinda wondering about the other supplements in the first post.

[Bonaparte]

At your age, you should have no problem finding a doc to prescribe you test injections. Try to get a Rx for at least 100mg weekly to take home and pin on your own.
Once you've got that all taken care of, you can start upping the dose (blasting) and adding in various other AAS.

But for now, just focus on getting set up with good HRT.

Also, I would not bother with finasteride. If you're hair hasn't fallen out yet, it probably isn't ever going to.

[dec11]

geezer edit out your email mate, you'll get all sorts of maggots mailing you.

i cant understand why a 63yr old man would be considering running steroid cycles tbh. trt maybe yes, but running cycles at your age could be dangerous to general health

[geezer]

Thanks Dec11
I did edit out my Email addy. Thanks
I cant really give you and answer why at my age I would want to run steroid cycles. I am guessing its the same reason everyone else does. To gain some quick mussel. I am still alive and I might go hand gliding tomorrow. I dont want to do this forever on a large scale but I do want to for a couple 8 week cycles. I have to take it in a gel rub everyday anyway. For the rest of my life I am guessing. Just one of those things I got on my list to do. We dont quit doin because we get old. We get old because we quit doin. I do have a good heart and the very best of blood pressure and probably better than some younger than me.

[lovbyts]

geezer edit out your email mate, you'll get all sorts of maggots mailing you.

i cant understand why a 63yr old man would be considering running steroid cycles tbh. trt maybe yes, but running cycles at your age could be dangerous to general health

Dec11 Careful, you will get that a lot faster than you think. There is nothign wrong with a 63 year old man wanting to get a little more bigger or stronger and feeling better again. It's not that old if you are somewhat healthy. He may be a lot more heathy and in shape compared to a lot of 40 yr olds around here or even many of the 20 and 30 year olds I have seen.

If his overall health is good, if his body fat is low enough and he has a good strong history of working out there is no reason to say he is to old especially if he is already on trt.

Sounds like he just needs some education first as far as the trt/hrt options to get him going in the right directions and then over to the diet section to learn a thing or two.

I think you will be fine. Please go read up and ask questions in the HRT forum here and the over 40 sectoin.

[MR10X]

Im 65 and been doing cycles for the last few years,been doing them for 30 years but just been doing them again after a lay off. 500mg a week will be a safe cycle to see what you can tolerate,you can add something like EQ later which pretty safe steroid.I am not on HRT and dont have a problem recovering from a short 8 week cycle with no PCT but i do use PCT on longer cycles.My last cycle was 600mg Test E,600mg EQ and 400mg Tren A a week.

[geezer]

How much lean mussel per month could a beginner expect to gain just starting with the basic 500mg week test.

[spywizard]

at 50 i'm still rolling , but i run more for strength and fat loss..

fat loss is food manipulation..

size and strength?? not any more i do more endurance training, that will give you what you are looking for..

did you know that when a man is diagnosed with prostrate cancer part of the treatment is to 100% suppress he's testosterone ?? guess what acts like fertilizer to cancer??

not to freak you out just the facts..

i'd do the gels (it takes time to get the doc's to get your levels up) and spend most of my time in the diet forum..

fish 3x week
Mediterranean type diet = longevity ..

[geezer]

Thanks spywizard
Couldn't a couple rounds of cycling give you a boost to strength training? And then go more towards strength training with 100mg of test a week.

[cb714]

Thanks Dec11
I did edit out my Email addy. Thanks
I cant really give you and answer why at my age I would want to run steroid cycles. I am guessing its the same reason everyone else does. To gain some quick mussel. I am still alive and I might go hand gliding tomorrow. I dont want to do this forever on a large scale but I do want to for a couple 8 week cycles. I have to take it in a gel rub everyday anyway. For the rest of my life I am guessing. Just one of those things I got on my list to do. We dont quit doin because we get old. We get old because we quit doin. I do have a good heart and the very best of blood pressure and probably better than some younger than me.

Bro now that's inspirational right there!

If you're healthy and have been fully checked out by a doc then go nuts my friend! But please make sure you get checked out before you do this. You don't want to cut you're life any shorter than you have to.

I really admire when older people just refuse to quit. That's awesome. Best of luck bro.

[spywizard]

250mg of test cyp 2x month is the most standard trt in most men..

test does not make you strong or able to fight (sorry old joke) but the training, cns conditioning, food, rest, test allows you to recover much faster, and thus if all things are in line you are able to grow..

you at your age have very little in the way of satellite cells to recruit for new growth..

People do not do cycles until they have reached their genetic max..

at an advanced age, adding in "cycle" levels of test will be in my experience very dangerous..

now if you wanted to do low dose test only cycle (100 -250mg week) with blood testing before/during/after to ensure safe conditions, but as i've said to most of my older clients (95% of them) I can teach you to change, but as we get older, seldom will we do so..

[cb714]

250mg of test cyp 2x month is the most standard trt in most men..

test does not make you strong or able to fight (sorry old joke) but the training, cns conditioning, food, rest, test allows you to recover much faster, and thus if all things are in line you are able to grow..

you at your age have very little in the way of satellite cells to recruit for new growth..

People do not do cycles until they have reached their genetic max..

at an advanced age, adding in "cycle" levels of test will be in my experience very dangerous..

now if you wanted to do low dose test only cycle (100 -250mg week) with blood testing before/during/after to ensure safe conditions, but as i've said to most of my older clients (95% of them) I can teach you to change, but as we get older, seldom will we do so..

I think it's 200mg.. I believe US pharmaceutical companies only make it doses of 200mg/ml. Not that you can't adjust the dose.

I've also heard of older men preferring HGH over test. Only problem is that it's quite pricey and not sure if insurance covers it or not.

[dec11]

Dec11 Careful, you will get that a lot faster than you think. There is nothign wrong with a 63 year old man wanting to get a little more bigger or stronger and feeling better again. It's not that old if you are somewhat healthy. He may be a lot more heathy and in shape compared to a lot of 40 yr olds around here or even many of the 20 and 30 year olds I have seen.

If his overall health is good, if his body fat is low enough and he has a good strong history of working out there is no reason to say he is to old especially if he is already on trt.

Sounds like he just needs some education first as far as the trt/hrt options to get him going in the right directions and then over to the diet section to learn a thing or two.

I think you will be fine. Please go read up and ask questions in the HRT forum here and the over 40 sectoin.

yes but at 63 you have to consider other health implications mate. im a fitness professional, and of course older generations should feel and look healthy but i wouldnt be advising a 63yr old to hit cycles and blast the iron.

lovbyts you seem to imply im being disrespectful, im not, im just pointing out things that need to be addressed, theres a diff in someone at 20-40 over doing something than someone 50-70 over doing the same thing. im headed towards 40 rapidly myself and feel im not as spritely as 10-15 yrs ago

[chuckt12345]

Cyp dosed at 200, enth at 250

[geezer]

dec11
Would starting at 250 test week make any more sence to U?

[dec11]

dec11
Would starting at 250 test week make any more sence to U?

you'd be best going to the doctor mate and see if you'd be a candidate for trt first, that way all the angles would be covered from a safe point of view. afew simple blood test will show you where you are at within afew days.

have you a history of training or are you just starting off mate?

[Devil_Doc]

my girls dad is on Cyp 300mg twice a week for hrt (plus ) and it seems to be working well for him with hgh 6 on 1 off, but he's also under medical supervision, so it is possible, just tread with caution (and labtests)

[dec11]

my girls dad is on Cyp 300mg twice a week for hrt (plus ) and it seems to be working well for him with hgh 6 on 1 off, but he's also under medical supervision, so it is possible, just tread with caution (and labtests)

600mg trt?!

[Far from massive]

Geezer,

In my opinion gels suck and cycles are pointless for anyone with a low test score.

I am 56 and my test was a little under 300 5 years ago. I started doing cycles a year and a half ago and commited to TRT ( self administered though) about 6 months ago. I run Test Cyp and HCG for the nuts, I am happy to say that I feel great and although you will read tons of people saying Cyp bloats you up my experience has been just the opposite. My opinion is that when you have low test that supplementing causes and accelerated metabolism and fat burning, to that end I have gone from 6.1 and 235 to 6.1 and 205 with much more strength in both the upper and lower body, about 6 wks ago I suffered an injury to my c7 vertebrae and since then have not worked out at all, however I have still continued to loose fat and although I have lost a good amount of upper body size I still have very good muscle tone. My point being that adjusting your testosterone levels to what they were when you were 25 will not return you to 25 but it will damn sure make you feel a lot better than you did at 45 in my experience...oh and PS your sex drive will also correspond.

[Far from massive]

my girls dad is on Cyp 300mg twice a week for hrt (plus ) and it seems to be working well for him with hgh 6 on 1 off, but he's also under medical supervision, so it is possible, just tread with caution (and labtests)

There was another member on this board who was on 600mg of cyp every week under medical supervision, it worked great for a while then all sorts of problems ensued after getting a second opinion and bloodwork he found that he was aromatizing so much test that his estro was sky high causing mood swings, fat deposits etc. after adjusting his dose and using AI's to get the estro under control all is well but he went through hell to find this out. Just cause a guy has a sheet of paper says doctor on it does not mean he is not a few cans short of a six pack.

[geezer]

dec11
As far as training I am going good a few months and then I usually fall off the wagon. made a call today to a trainer I know but wont hear from him until tomorrow. He will keep me motivated. I got lots of hobbies I like to do and sometimes they get in the way of training for awhile and then awhile turns into way to long and then I snap out of it and start to train all over again. And as far as going to the dr. for test if you read above I have been and Dr. has me on 50 mg gel a day. Not much but is does motivate me some. I am going to try and get him to raise the dose to 100mg inject a week. I can tell from the low dose of jel that I would feell much better with the 100mg inject. beetween that and the trainer I would be lots more motivated. But a big thanks to everyone for your help and concern. I will hash all this out and see what my trainer thinks. Cant aford to much of his time but enough to get me goin.

[lovbyts]

yes but at 63 you have to consider other health implications mate. im a fitness professional, and of course older generations should feel and look healthy but i wouldnt be advising a 63yr old to hit cycles and blast the iron.

lovbyts you seem to imply im being disrespectful, im not, im just pointing out things that need to be addressed, theres a diff in someone at 20-40 over doing something than someone 50-70 over doing the same thing. im headed towards 40 rapidly myself and feel im not as spritely as 10-15 yrs ago

Yes I know, you should know me by now.

[MR10X]

Theres no way a 30 or 40 year old can comment on cycles and weight training for 60 year old person.I am 65 and still train hard and cycle 2 or three times a year,yes i dont recover like i did at 30 or 40 but i dont see any reason to stop doing what im doing now as people suggest here that are 30 or 40 and have no idea what its like to be 60.I am not on TRT and have no medical issues and recover after a cycle just fine.I cant train all body parts twice a week like i did at 30 but find 3 times every two weeks works fine for me.I stay fairly lean because i have a fast metabolism,i can consume 4000 calories a day and and maintain 10% or less body fat.If your in good health and dont have any serious issues then 500 to 600mg of test a week is just fine a little EQ wont hurt,i take way more than this now. Advice from a 30 year old for a 60 year old is silly,you have no idea what its like to be 60 and it will be a long time untill you do if your lucky and live that long.I have been doing cycles for 30 years off an on so i have some actual experience on cycles and training for older guys. Remember you are unique just like everyone else....

[dec11]

Theres no way a 30 or 40 year old can comment on cycles and weight training for 60 year old person.I am 65 and still train hard and cycle 2 or three times a year,yes i dont recover like i did at 30 or 40 but i dont see any reason to stop doing what im doing now as people suggest here that are 30 or 40 and have no idea what its like to be 60.I am not on TRT and have no medical issues and recover after a cycle just fine.I cant train all body parts twice a week like i did at 30 but find 3 times every two weeks works fine for me.I stay fairly lean because i have a fast metabolism,i can consume 4000 calories a day and and maintain 10% or less body fat.If your in good health and dont have any serious issues then 500 to 600mg of test a week is just fine a little EQ wont hurt,i take way more than this now. Advice from a 30 year old for a 60 year old is silly,you have no idea what its like to be 60 and it will be a long time untill you do if your lucky and live that long.I have been doing cycles for 30 years off an on so i have some actual experience on cycles and training for older guys. Remember you are unique just like everyone else....

my god, why the ignorance?!

the man is just starting, you've been doing it for a long time, BIG DIFFERENCE!!!!!!!

and if you think a 63yr old should jump into cycles and rigorous training for the 1st time at that age then you shouldnt be advising anyone, cycles without rigorous training = pointless. SAFETY AND HEALTH FIRST. geezer needs fully health screened before he even goes training

and im 36 fyi, and have trained older gym goers, why would you dismiss my advice because of my age?

[chuckt12345]

sorry i dont think anybody over 60 should be doing hard cycles. MR10X im sure it works fine for you but i wouldnt preach it to every 60 yr old out there.
BTW devildoc 600mg/wk of cyp is not TRT or HRT,, thats a cycle.

[marcus300]

sorry i dont think anybody over 60 should be doing hard cycles. MR10X im sure it works fine for you but i wouldnt preach it to every 60 yr old out there.
BTW devildoc 600mg/wk of cyp is not TRT or HRT,, thats a cycle.

Agreed^^,

I think the first port of call for anyone over 60 years old is to the doctor to get bloodwork done and see what you are dealing with.

[MR10X]

my god, why the ignorance?!

the man is just starting, you've been doing it for a long time, BIG DIFFERENCE!!!!!!!

and if you think a 63yr old should jump into cycles and rigorous training for the 1st time at that age then you shouldnt be advising anyone, cycles without rigorous training = pointless. SAFETY AND HEALTH FIRST. geezer needs fully health screened before he even goes training

and im 36 fyi, and have trained older gym goers, why would you dismiss my advice because of my age?

How the hell would you know how a 60 year old person feels after an intense workout at 36. If he has low T which im sure he does then a little bit of test would be of great benifit to him even if his traning is not optimal,he needs to see a doctor and have his hormones checked .If he has a good trainer he would be eased into a program that would gradually increase intesity.Some of the trainers i see do some of the most rediculus exercises i have seen,pretty much a waste of time for the person that wont see the results he wants and quits a short time later.I discussed doses he should use but 300 or 400 mg of test E would not be too much if hes medically ok and doesnt have any medical issues.

[dec11]

How the hell would you know how a 60 year old person feels after an intense workout at 36. If he has low T which im sure he does then a little bit of test would be of great benifit to him even if his traning is not optimal,he needs to see a doctor and have his hormones checked .If he has a good trainer he would be eased into a program that would gradually increase intesity.Some of the trainers i see do some of the most rediculus exercises i have seen,pretty much a waste of time for the person that wont see the results he wants and quits a short time later.I discussed doses he should use but 300 or 400 mg of test E would not be too much if hes medically ok and doesnt have any medical issues.

im not one of those type trainers and you are giving wrong advice no matter how much you wont back down. im going to bow out of this discussion before it gets heated.

[ata1979]

When getting bloodwork done make sure to have your TSH, T3 and T4 checked as well. You said you were tired and been gaining weight slowly but surely. Sounds like hypothyroidism creeping up on you. I'm talking from experience cause I have it as well. I was feeling like crap for a year or two, went to the doc and came up hypothyroid. He put me on Bitiron, its a prescription T3/T4 mix and now I feel great.

[geezer]

Thanks ata
Just got my papers out again and heres what it says about Thyroid. THS 2.10 uIU/ml and normal range is 0.34 - 4.94. Free T4 is o.97 ng/dL and normal is 0.70-1.40. Dont see that he done a T3 test. PSA 1.09ng/mL and normal is 0.00-4.00. Total Testosterone 238 and free Test is 34.1 pg/mL With normal 35- 155. After all I have learned here I will talk to trainer and maybe start out on 200 mg T for 3 - 4 months then maybe jump it up a bit. Will se and let every know.Doc done a whole lot more test than the ones I mentioned here. I think they took 10 vials of blood first time and about 8 next time plus EKG and chest exray. If ya dont hear from me then dec11 wins the free chicken dinner.

[ata1979]

The bastards never run a T3 check which is actually the most important of all. For some reason these American docs are bitches when it comes to T3, like its taboo or something. Make sure to get it checked.

[Honkey_Kong]

sorry i dont think anybody over 60 should be doing hard cycles. MR10X im sure it works fine for you but i wouldnt preach it to every 60 yr old out there.
BTW devildoc 600mg/wk of cyp is not TRT or HRT,, thats a cycle.

It's only a cycle if he comes off of it. Otherwise, there is another term for it.... Abuse. Even with a doctor's script pad blessing, you can still abuse drugs.