My Tentative Cycle - Work in Progress with your Help.

[JBlue]

Hi,

First off I want to thank the forum moderators and everyone in here who have contributed to this forum. I have been reading, searching and re-reading some more in order to take in as much information as possible. While some of the posts I question their opinion.. all in all there is a lot of great info (biases or not). Some might disagree but their are individuals here who took a different path than the general consensus but have yielded great results for the person. This I admire because it really is hard to say a one 'Perfect' cycle since we are all so different. With that said I have found great information on the general guidelines of what is best.

I hope this doesn't bore you but I want to be clear and have a quality post rather than others who just create an account and create a one bland generalized question which can be answered with 5 seconds of searches.

Below are my stats and a little background of myself. Along with some of my requirements and objectives.

Sex: Male
Age: 29
Height: 5' 8"
Weight: 160-165lbs
Workout History: 6 Years of working out.
AAS History: 1 cycle about 5 years ago.
BF %: 15%

Brief History:
Have been working out for 6 years consistently. This past year I have been extremely lazy.. taking 2 week breaks and not motivating myself in general. My diet was poor. I used to be 175lbs but have slowly lost weight (10lbs).

Requirements & Objectives
I want to gain about 10-20lbs of muscle using AAS that have high retention rating with low water retention. I don't want to grow too fast or balloon too big too quickly. I do have a day job and it would not be a good look. I want my gains to be lean or close to lean as possible.

AAS Requirements:
Before everyone jumps on the Oral band wagon. I want to let you know I understand the precautions of using Oral and the lower efficiency than using Needles and cost. I travel out of country for work bi-weekly and at this point oral format is the best option for me. Bringing needles or acquiring needles is just a risk I do not want. Hope you can all help me regardless. *I have read the best way to take ORAL is to divide the dosage into morning and evening because of the 12 hour shelf life of ORAL. I am taking this into consideration.*

AAS Cycle Duration:
Based on your help I have found the best cycle for Oral is 6 or 8 weeks. This is what I would like to stick to in order to give my liver a break.

Option 1 - 6 Weeks
(Dosage Amount/day: Need Help)
W1 50mg (25mg Morning/25mg Evening)
W2 50mg (25mg Morning/25mg Evening)
W3 60mg (30mg Morning/30mg Evening)
W4 70mg (40mg Morning/30mg Evening)
W5 70mg (40mg Morning/30mg Evening)
W6 80mg (40mg Morning/40mg Evening) (Do I need to taper off? with lower dosage??)

Option 2 - 8 Weeks
W1-2 50mg (25mg Morning/25mg Evening)
W3-4 60mg (30mg Morning/30mg Evening)
W5-6 70mg (40mg Morning/30mg Evening)
W7-8 80mg (40mg Morning/40mg Evening) (Do I need to taper off? with lower dosage??)

** W1-6/8 - Arimidex - ? (Windex Suggestion during my Cycle @ what dosage??) **

AAS Options - Tentative but need your help
Anavar - I have done some research and this seems to be a good choice. However I've read it should be stacked with test.

I do want to stack this with an additional AAS (oral). No test, I don't have this luxury because my supplier is only able to offer, Winstrol, Turinabol, Dianabol, Anadrol. What do you guys think?

I am thinking either Winstrol or Turinabol (TBol). What would you suggest based on my requirements?



PCT: Need Help everything below is tentative - Have read since Anavar, Winstrol or Turinabol is low that my PCT requirements may not need to use the three listed below or as recommended dosage. I am not sure about this. Obviously I want to be on the look out for GYNO but again with my above AAS is full dosage PST necessary?

Total 4 weeks(/) daily dosage #
Clomid - 100/50/50/50 ?
Nolvadex - 40/20/20/20 ?


Supplements: Suggestions?
Creatine?
Fish Oil?
Vitamins or some sort?

Help the Liver!:
LIV.52 or Milk Thisle or both?

WORK IN PROGRESS POST will keep updating based on your HELP - IF I HAVE ANY ERRORS please correct me! Thx

[Windex]

Your goal is unrealistic. 20 pounds of lean muscle from a 6-8 week oral cycle ? Not possible in my opinion. Also, Armidex is used on cycle for estrogen control, not during PCT. What you don't understand is that oral steroids will shut down your endocrine system which means you will stop producing testosterone. This means you can run into problems down the road such as erectile dysfunction, loss of libido, and mood problems. I'd strongly encourage you to read and educate yourself more on why oral only cycles are less than optimal, as well as reading the PCT stickies to educate yourself further. Finally, if you need steroids to motivate you to train/eat what is going to happen when you stop your cycle ? Bodybuilding is a marathon not a sprint. I gaurentee you will lose any gains you make when coming off with the lack of motivation attitude. I also think your too light to cycle and may need to revisit your training and dieting regiment.

[JBlue]

Windex,

Thanks.. I'm still a n00b and the above stated is all tentative with your help. 10-20 is a range but 10 would be totally acceptable. Thanks for the tip on Armidex. I read some threads but wasn't sure exactly when I was suppose to take it. Will change it now. I realize ORAL is less than optimal but this is the route I am going with. My lack of motivation was other external factors but will not affect my work out and I plan on being very strict with my diet and working out. I'm not going to waste money and time doing this cycle. With that said, any other incite and help is greatly appreciated.

As for ARmidex. My understanding or Armidex, Clomid and Nolvadex should be taken during the PST stage for estrogen control but it is new that Armidex should be used during the cycle. So what you are saying is estrogen control is important before PST? At what dosage amount do you suggest? thx

[Sector]

Your lack of motivation will only worsen as your oral cycle shuts down your natural test and you arent injecting outside test to compensate.

[JBlue]

My lack of motivation are other external factors which is no not an issue now. I should of been more clear. I will be dedicated and 'motivation' came out stronger than I meant. My diet is pretty good but overall always have been. I don't drink soda and rarely drink alcohol but been more particular on what I consume this past 6 weeks when buying groceries. I'm naturally lean and easily control my impulses for sweets or greasy food. In fact I don't eat fast food like McDonalds. Maybe 3 times in the last 5 years I had McDonalds.