New to this. Ready to start. Help plz..

[powerhouse283]

Okay, Just turned 21, and I want to start cycling something.

Weight 205, bench/squat/dl - 360/500/550

my main concern is to get stronger, and of course weight comes along with that. And I do not want alot of side effects. Like i don't want my face full of acne. etc... minimal sides are FINE.


EDITED REALIZED IT WAS BAD READ BELOW FOR CYCLE IDEA (NOT YEAR ROUND) JUST 1 12 WEEK CYCLE FOLLOWED BY PCT

[marcus300]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-a-first-cycle

AGE
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.



TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development


DIET
A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT. Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment

[powerhouse283]

AGE: aware..

TRAINING: training since 16 hardcore, the smart way. Started at 100/180/225 NOW 360/500/550. Got the training covered. I've did 5-6 usapl competitions and have read ALOT of books / researched online.

DIET

(example, similar to what im eating now)

ex: wake up (6-10 whole eggs, 1+ cups oats, banana)
meal2(chicken, 1+ cups brown rice, carrots)
meal 3(2 cans tuna, 4x whole wheat bread, LINTELS)
meal 4(2x peanut butter & jelley sandwhiches
meal 5(Black beans)
meal 6(chicken more brown rice
meal 7(cottage cheese, plain yougurt, natty PB)

pre workout meal (banana and apple)
post (1 cup oats protein)


I know you posted this because alot of people just look to take things to get stronger when they can get stronger and should without it first, and dont know about diet/sleep/training... thats not me. I know what im doing.



As of now the planned cycle is

250mg Test cyp 2x per week (total of 12 weeks)
.5mg of anastrozole every 3 days

clomid for post cycle.

[marcus300]

Your HPTA hasnt fully developed yet and by shutting it down you can cause yourself alot of problems in areas you wished you didnt at your age. Limp dick, low testosterone levels for life, mood swings, bitch tits, depression and loads more.

[dec11]

applies to under 25's

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...at-18...-I-did.

[gixxerboy1]

just step back and think what you wrote.
You dont want side effects.
Its your first cycle.

You want to run a year long cycle
you want to use multiple different things including tren.

Do you not see the issue right there

[shooterdude]

Okay, Just turned 21, and I want to start cycling something.

Weight 205, bench/squat/dl - 360/500/550

my main concern is to get stronger, and of course weight comes along with that. And I do not want alot of side effects. Like i don't want my face full of acne. etc...

Someone I was talking to reccomended this:

250mg test cypionate twice a week
.5mg of anastrozole every 3 days

Year around....

He said after 12 weeks of taht, NO POST CYCLE

do this

test week 1-12,
test 500mg+tren 500mg week 12-18
test week 19-25 500mg
test tren dbol week 26-30
you slowly add in other thigs to see if they benefit your goals
since the cycle is year round
there is no post cycle


I am new at this and have never taken anything before. I hope this is the right section. Please help. Thank you!

lol acne would be the least of your problems , if your going to do that cycle why not tripple the doses lol
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[gixxerboy1]

Okay, Just turned 21, and I want to start cycling something.

Weight 205, bench/squat/dl - 360/500/550

my main concern is to get stronger, and of course weight comes along with that. And I do not want alot of side effects. Like i don't want my face full of acne. etc...

Someone I was talking to reccomended this:

250mg test cypionate twice a week
.5mg of anastrozole every 3 days

Year around....

He said after 12 weeks of taht, NO POST CYCLE

do this

test week 1-12,
test 500mg+tren 500mg week 12-18
test week 19-25 500mg
test tren dbol week 26-30
you slowly add in other thigs to see if they benefit your goals
since the cycle is year round
there is no post cycle


I am new at this and have never taken anything before. I hope this is the right section. Please help. Thank you!

if you think that is a good cycle and a smart thing to do. can you please give me an example of a bad cycle and a really stupid idea

[Mon]

Hello guys, I'm about to start my bulking cycle with
Testosterone E. 500 mg/wk
Tren E. 400 mg/wk
And anadrol.
My question is, is there anything that I can take to avoid acne because on my last cycle which was just test, I broke out on my chest and I was told that there's something to prevent that and with all the research I did, I know what I'm getting myself into I just need to know what's that solution called. Thanks guys

[marcus300]

Hello guys, I'm about to start my bulking cycle with
Testosterone E. 500 mg/wk
Tren E. 400 mg/wk
And anadrol.
My question is, is there anything that I can take to avoid acne because on my last cycle which was just test, I broke out on my chest and I was told that there's something to prevent that and with all the research I did, I know what I'm getting myself into I just need to know what's that solution called. Thanks guys

Start your own thread pls

[dec11]

OP, if you're not trolling you're clueless about this, just clueless.

that would be a stupid idea even for someone WITH cycle exp and of correct age to do so

[powerhouse283]

250mg Test cyp 2x per week (total of 12 weeks)
.5mg of anastrozole every 3 days

clomid for post cycle .


not year around. Just one cycle, then off for a few months, then possibly another one, thats it not a million things, just test cyp.

realized the guy telling me to do that in 1st post wasnt smart...

[marcus300]

Your HPTA hasnt fully developed yet and by shutting it down you can cause yourself alot of problems in areas you wished you didnt at your age. Limp dick, low testosterone levels for life, mood swings, bitch tits, depression and loads more.

^^^^^^66^

[powerhouse283]

Can anyone comment on the cycle, for it being a first cycle?

I am 21.. Is it that big of a risk? OBVIOUSLY its not as bad if I was 18.. Is there some kind of blood work or anything I can get to see if I'm a little safer/closer to being ready?

[dec11]

Can anyone comment on the cycle, for it being a first cycle?

I am 21.. Is it that big of a risk? OBVIOUSLY its not as bad if I was 18.. Is there some kind of blood work or anything I can get to see if I'm a little safer/closer to being ready?

is that so? and you come to this conclusion, how?

[powerhouse283]

as time proceeds, you develop more? kinda just used common sense, is it otherwise?

[dec11]

as time proceeds, you develop more? kinda just used common sense, is it otherwise?

no my friend, you're lacking this if you cant listen to ppl who know better. as pointed out, you most likely arent fully developed until 25, why take a stupid risk?

why wont you digest the facts of the horrible possible sides as experienced by others who are trying to save you from them? its just incomprehensible as to why you youngsters wont listen!

[marcus300]

Can anyone comment on the cycle, for it being a first cycle?

I am 21.. Is it that big of a risk? OBVIOUSLY its not as bad if I was 18.. Is there some kind of blood work or anything I can get to see if I'm a little safer/closer to being ready?

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.

[powerhouse283]

with due respect, I understand what your warning me about. However, I am going to take the risk. I am going to do more research though, but the outcome will most likly I will proceed in doing the test cyp cycle.

It would be nice if I could get some feedback (as if I am going to do it regardless of what anyone tells me of my age) I am really stubborn and usually have to learn the hard way anyway lol

Thanks everyone for the quick responses.

EDIT, thanks alot for the great information. I want to learn alot on these forums.

[powerhouse283]

Can I get help on this thread to see if I am going to get a decient deal and not get ripped off?

For $500
6g of test-cyp (250 version)
6mg anastroozole
14 50mg clomid for post cycle

[powerhouse283]

Tryed to PM, but couldnt find out how... Question I have is:

Is $500 too much for
6g of Test-cyp (250 version)
.6mg anastrozole
14 50mg clomid for post cycle
24 needles (25x1")

Thanks!

[powerhouse283]

(6g of test cyp 250ml version - enough for 2x a week @ 250mg per time)
.6mg anastrozole
14 50mg clomid for post



Thanks, just making sure im not getting ripped off. I trust the person about the quality.

[gixxerboy1]

EDIT YOUR POST. we dont discuss prices.
And thats not enough clomid for pct

[powerhouse283]

^^ thats the kinda stuff tht shudnt be alloud to be posted....... Some stupid kid would probably go on that site thinking they were actually gonna get something. Look at this retards posts, everyone is advertising.

[gixxerboy1]

and its not. It takes a few minutes to ban them and delete all the post

[dec11]

and its not. It takes a few minutes to ban them and delete all the post

lol, happy baby sitting gixx