Just took my first shot..

[NewMuscle83]

Well, was that it? I hope I did it right, but there was zero pain, and I didn't even feel it.

I am freaking out though. I have weird sensations in my body, well, my leg I shot in. It's 1ml test e 250. How long before I know if something went wrong? I just keep thinking at any moment I'm gonna go paralyzed or have a heart attack or something crazy. I'm hoping for nothing.

Any tips, words of encouragement, questions, or anything to ease my mind??

Btw, why was it so hard to get it out of the vial? I shot 1 ml of air in, and it was a hassle to get it out. I had to pull very hard and half of the shyt coming out was air. Also, I noticed that I only put my 1" needle in 70% of the way. Is that too shallow?

Any input is appreciated. Thanks.

[Sector]

What size needle did you draw the oil with? Ive drawn with a 25 gauge and insulin syringe before and yes, it took a long time to come out. Its easier to draw with an 18-23 gauge needle then switch to a skinnier one for inject. Depends on how lean you are if its too shallow or not. You should be able to feel the needle penetrate a muscle once is passes through the fat. To put you at ease, no it probly wasnt too shallow. Oh n calm down, your fine. Just make sure and always aspirate, I just had a little test E find its way into a vein. Wasnt a fun 10 minutes.

[NewMuscle83]

Hey thanks for the tips. I used 23g 1.5" to pull, 23g 1" to pin. The pinning, which was the part I was most afraid of, turned out to be the easiest. No pain, no hassle. Easy entry, and smooth unloading of oil. The pulling was a bitch. It felt like tug of war and I'm afraid I wasted a good .2 cc of test and 3 syringes trying to do it. Not cool. How can I make pulling easier with the needles I have?

Thanks again. I feel much better now.

[NewMuscle83]

So today, about 17 hours after shot, it's pretty sore. Trouble walking kinda sore. Is this normal?

[WhiteTiger]

Sore is normal after a day or so. Sometimes none at all. Using a 1" needle to pin you most likely want to go all the way in. I doubt you have less than 1" fat on your glute. Also, a 23 is good for injecting but you should use a much wider gauge needle to pull. Test E is oil based so it is very thick, it can take a long while to fill. But if you have to, just turn upside down, push in 1ml of air, then bring the needle almost out of the bottle keeping upside down, pull hard and just wait, it will slowly fill.

Also, after the needle goes in your glut, ensure you pull a little to check for blood, this will let you know that you did not pierce a blood vessel or vein. There should be no blood entering the syringe. If there is, pull out, swap needle and relocate.

[NewMuscle83]

Thanks for the reply, tiger. I actually pinned my quad, and I'd be surprised if I did have more than 1" of fat! Regardless, if I did not go in enough, where did the oil go? Did I waste it??

Also, I did aspirate. It was hard to pull back, almost like the vial, and nothing entered but a bit of air, so I figured I didn't hit a vein.

[DaGunz]

So today, about 17 hours after shot, it's pretty sore. Trouble walking kinda sore. Is this normal?

Yes, when you first start. That will stop happening after a few weeks, unless you got some crappy gear.

[Far from massive]

You would probably be well served to look at several videos in intramuscular injection, the ones authored by nursing association etc. not the one by Greg Vallintino ;-)

And when you go to do your next shot heat the bottle in some hot water on the stove till the AAS is hot to the touch, remember to let it cool in the syringe before injecting though...

[gbrice75]

Don't sweat it too hard bro, I had the same experience you did with my first shot. I was scared to death about the injection itself, I was shaking! Turns out the shot was easy, and preparing it was a big pain in the ass. It gets easier, trust me. That was a test e cycle, 2 pinnings a week.

Right now i'm pinning ED, and it's a done deal in under a minute. Kind of fun and addictive in a way! The soreness sucks, especially when you pin in a new site for the first time. I alternated quads last time; now i'm alternating quads in 2 different spots (so 4 quad injections), delts, and tri's. Push through the pain, it gets easier!

[Ashop]

Well, was that it? I hope I did it right, but there was zero pain, and I didn't even feel it.

I am freaking out though. I have weird sensations in my body, well, my leg I shot in. It's 1ml test e 250. How long before I know if something went wrong? I just keep thinking at any moment I'm gonna go paralyzed or have a heart attack or something crazy. I'm hoping for nothing.

Any tips, words of encouragement, questions, or anything to ease my mind??

Btw, why was it so hard to get it out of the vial? I shot 1 ml of air in, and it was a hassle to get it out. I had to pull very hard and half of the shyt coming out was air. Also, I noticed that I only put my 1" needle in 70% of the way. Is that too shallow?

Any input is appreciated. Thanks.

Thats it bro. You made it. It's over til next injection. Lighten up,,,its easy.

[NewMuscle83]

Thanks for all the comments and input, everyone. It's definitely sore as shyt, but nothing too terrible. I've always just had anxiety about pinning, and that's why it took so long to finally do it.

One more question: my next shot is Monday morning. I was planning on doing the other quad. Is that a good idea or should I keep in the same quad? Also, if I'm alternating quads, should my 3rd shot be in the same spot as my 1st shot, or should I move up or down the quad?

Thanks again.

[NewMuscle83]

Ok so new developments: last night, as I was sleeping, I woke up around 4 am (approximately 30 hours after shot) and I was feeling EXTREME pain. I mean, I've never experienced this level of pain/soreness anywhere on my body before. It was so bad I could not go back to sleep, and I couldn't find a comfortable position to lay in, either. When I got up, I realized I can't bend it, step on it, lay on it, or do anything. I took 800 mg Ibuprofen, and I forced my self to get up and have breakfast. Now, the pain has decreased a bit, but my quad is so swollen, it looks about twice as big as my other one, and I still can't put any real pressure on it or even walk semi-normal.

Is all this shyt normal thus far? I know "no pain, no gain", but I honestly have no idea how I'm going to get to the gym today.

[D7M]

Ok so new developments: last night, as I was sleeping, I woke up around 4 am (approximately 30 hours after shot) and I was feeling EXTREME pain. I mean, I've never experienced this level of pain/soreness anywhere on my body before. It was so bad I could not go back to sleep, and I couldn't find a comfortable position to lay in, either. When I got up, I realized I can't bend it, step on it, lay on it, or do anything. I took 800 mg Ibuprofen, and I forced my self to get up and have breakfast. Now, the pain has decreased a bit, but my quad is so swollen, it looks about twice as big as my other one, and I still can't put any real pressure on it or even walk semi-normal.

Is all this shyt normal thus far? I know "no pain, no gain", but I honestly have no idea how I'm going to get to the gym today.

Swollen isn't good, but don't get yourself freaked out yet. Is is red, warm to the touch? Are you running a fever? Those are all signs of infection to watch for and if they arise, get your ass to the Dr asap and get some antibiotics.

[NewMuscle83]

It's very VERY swollen. I've never had anything on my body be this swollen. Sometimes it's reddish, right now it's not--maybe it's the lighting. Sometimes it's hot to the touch, sometimes it's not--maybe my hands are cold cause I'm nervous.

[NewMuscle83]

Worst yet, my health insurance doesn't become effective till this coming Tuesday, some I'm shyt out of luck if I need to see a doctor.

[Honkey_Kong]

You would probably be well served to look at several videos in intramuscular injection, the ones authored by nursing association etc. not the one by Greg Vallintino ;-)

And when you go to do your next shot heat the bottle in some hot water on the stove till the AAS is hot to the touch, remember to let it cool in the syringe before injecting though...

The Greg Valentino video. hahahahahah. Actually, it would be a good idea to watch the documentary about him so you know what NOT to do.

OP, try putting a hot water pad on your injection site. That might give you some relief. And inject slowly next time.

[NewMuscle83]

Could I have injected into fat tissue? The injection did go pretty quick once I inserted and pushed. If so, could this have caused the swelling? Also, does this mean I wasted the shot??

[gbrice75]

It's possible that you weren't deep enough into the muscle (or not at all) and injected into fat. If you have a fat arse like me, a 1 inch pin needs to be all the way in to get past the fat, and you said you were only about 3/4th in. The oil could have settled above the muscle which would cause swelling. It may absorb, and the swelling will definitely go down, but make sure you're all the way in next time.

As the others said, watch for redness, warmth to the touch, fever, etc. You want to make sure your site isn't infected.

Edit: Sorry, I just realized you injected into your quads, not your tookus. 3/4 of an inch should have been deep enough, but I don't know what your quads look like. With a 1 inch pin, make sure you're all the way in next time to be safe. You're not going to hit bone, so don't worry about that.

Also - about the swelling - you could have severed a vessel or 2 which isn't a big deal, but would explain some pain and swelling as well.

[NewMuscle83]

It's possible that you weren't deep enough into the muscle (or not at all) and injected into fat. If you have a fat arse like me, a 1 inch pin needs to be all the way in to get past the fat, and you said you were only about 3/4th in. The oil could have settled above the muscle which would cause swelling. It may absorb, and the swelling will definitely go down, but make sure you're all the way in next time.

As the others said, watch for redness, warmth to the touch, fever, etc. You want to make sure your site isn't infected.

Edit: Sorry, I just realized you injected into your quads, not your tookus. 3/4 of an inch should have been deep enough, but I don't know what your quads look like. With a 1 inch pin, make sure you're all the way in next time to be safe. You're not going to hit bone, so don't worry about that.

Also - about the swelling - you could have severed a vessel or 2 which isn't a big deal, but would explain some pain and swelling as well.

Yea, that's what I figured. I have solid, lean quads.

So far, it's been 42 hours since the injection. The pain is less than before, but I still can't bend it. It's very swollen, but I don't have a fever and I don't see redness. How long should I wait before I go spend an arm and a leg at an urgent care facility?

[Shol'va]

Oh Gawd man it doesn't sound good at all. And no insurance to boot. Do you have life insurance for the missus? Watch for red streaks up and down the injected site and if it gets to where you can't walk either go to the ER or be prepared to lose the leg. It sounds like you are headed and destined to be one of the few fatalities to doing steroids. My condolances. If you feel the need to hide all the evidence then pm me and I'll give you an address to send all unused product to. Hey it's the least we can do for you. Ok in all seriousness, just chill my friend you are just experiencing what some other first timers go through. The freak out syndrome. From the time of your first injection every little pain or weird sensation in your body becomes amplified and you fear you did something really bad during your first injection that caused it. Believe me, this too shall pass and you will get better and get better at doing proper injections using the right sized needle for you. It's all a matter of fine tuning for you and your body. Take a zanax if you need to, but you will be ok. But keep us posted as to everything going on for your own sanity. That is what we are all here for. One thing you always want to look for before injecting is to the whereabouts of any visible veins and avoid injecting on top of them. From time to time you will nick one or two it can't be avoided unless you are damned good at injections even so some of those pesky veins stay hidden below the surface and is why a lot of guys recommend aspirating the needle in the leg before the injection to make sure no blood is drawn in from hitting a vein. You will learn and be a pro injector in no time. And if something seems out of the ordinary then ask away here cause more than likely someone else has experienced the same thing at one time or another....

[Shol'va]

I didn't see what you were injecting but I use, er um a friend of mine uses Test-C pharm grade 200 mg per ml and it hurts a couple days after the shot but only minor and I always, um he always works out right after the injection to help lesson the soreness. But there will probably always be a little soreness a day or two after. Realize that you are injecting a foreign liquid into your body so it will react till it gets used to it. And some UGL stuff is really harsh on the injection areas as some here will tell you. Part of being a Bodybuilder using shortcuts, but it's worth it..IMO well what my friend says anyhow.

[NewMuscle83]

^^^thanks Shol'va. So what you're saying is the swelling is just a reaction to the injection, like too much BA or something? How long should I wait before I get worried then? I really don't think it's a good idea to take my second shot monday morning before the swelling goes down on this one. I also don't want to terminate the cycle from the first shot, but safety is first.

[WhiteTiger]

Maybe some would disagree with me but since you are injecting Testosterone Enanthate, I would reccomend injecting in the glute. It is fatty, and muscular. In my opinion it is the safest place not to hit veins. Each cheek you treat like four sections. If you were to draw lines on your left cheek like this + you would inject in the upper left section. If you were to draw these + on your right cheek you would inject on the upper right section. This is straight training from a well know Longevity Doctor in Los Angeles CA.

[NewMuscle83]

Yes, I'll try that, but only if my leg improves by then. Can I do it with a 1" or do I have to use 1.5"?

[Honkey_Kong]

^^^thanks Shol'va. So what you're saying is the swelling is just a reaction to the injection, like too much BA or something? How long should I wait before I get worried then? I really don't think it's a good idea to take my second shot monday morning before the swelling goes down on this one. I also don't want to terminate the cycle from the first shot, but safety is first.

I remember the first time I injected, my leg hurt for like a week and a half. I could barely move my leg. It gets better. I'd advise you the next few weeks though not to inject in to your leg the day before you work your legs. From my experience, every muscle you inject in to will hurt like hell if it's virgin tissue.

Are you doing 2 injections per week?

[Shol'va]

You are going to alternate quads between injections right? And not hit the same leg twice? I also got to thinking you might have hit the muscle which means you werent in the right spot on the quad. Look up intramuscular injections for TRT diagrams for quad injections. Or go to youtube and watch some im injections of test on there. If the pain hasn't subsided by next injection time I'd hold off and find out where your stuff came from. A few days of pain is norm. Mine always feel like someone sucker punched me in the quad the first day of injection but after so many shots either you get used to it or just are able to forget about it. Test E shouldn't cause an incredible amount of lingering pain IMO. but yeah if the pain is subsiding I'd go for the next shot on monday and alternate quads. I only do quads cause I can see what I'm doing verses hitting my glutes, but if you have someone who can give them to you I'd go for the glutes, but you will probably need 1 and 1/2 inch needles 23 or 25 gauge to get deep enough. I really think you will be ok as long as you do it all correctly and making sure there is no contamination along the way. Use alcohol swipes on the are to be injected and the bottle you draw from, not let the needle touch anything before you use it on yourself. You should be good to go. This is an old video but it gives you the idea of where to inject in the quads.

[mkcay7979]

I only did my leg once and my leg was sore for a week, the glute is the easiest for sure.

[WhiteTiger]

Yes, I'll try that, but only if my leg improves by then. Can I do it with a 1" or do I have to use 1.5"?

Yes, you can do with a 1" but I prefer a 1.5 but I have a butt. You said you are really lean so a 1" will work. Even I use a 1" when I don't have the 1.5" handy. But definatley you will sleep better know you are safe. This injection spot is so much easier on ya. Hope I helped. I made that image just for you. But hope it helps many more. Good luck.

[NewMuscle83]

Thanks everyone for the help and input. It definitely helps having people who have been through this. I will definitely try my glute next time.

So here's an update: it's 48 hours after the shot now. I have taken 2 doses of 800mg ibuprofen, and one dose of 500mg acetaminophen, each of those doses being 3-4 hours apart. I think this has helped a bit cause the pain is definitely less than it was at the 30-36 hour mark. However, the swelling has not gone down at all, and I'm afraid it may have even slightly increased. I feel a bit hot, but I don't think I have a fever, and there's no significant redness, so I'm going to wait it out and see what it looks like tomorrow. The swelling is pretty gnarly I must say, it doesn't even look like it's my leg.

[Honkey_Kong]

Shol'va, that guy didn't aspirate. And I don't think he was as hygienic as you could be in that video. But yeah that still was a good instructional video on how to inject.

[Shol'va]

Shol'va, that guy didn't aspirate. And I don't think he was as hygienic as you could be in that video. But yeah that still was a good instructional video on how to inject.

Agreed, It's an old video on youtube but has instructional value as to where to inject on the quads. I myself don't aspirate as of late. I use the feel of the needle as it enters my leg feeling for any drag on it as it goes into the muscle. If it slides right on in then I just go with injecting. I've nicked a few veins in the past and always felt it on the needle when it went in. So for me it's all in the feel of the needle on whether I aspirate or not. But to each there own.

[dec11]

settle petal, you're gona live. dont be going poppin ant inmflams and painkillers lol. it will become as common as brushing your teeth. and fyi, delts are less painful. in no time at all you'll be blasting traps, pecs, bi's etc

[Honkey_Kong]

settle petal, you're gona live. dont be going poppin ant inmflams and painkillers lol. it will become as common as brushing your teeth. and fyi, delts are less painful. in no time at all you'll be blasting traps, pecs, bi's etc

I think he's gone a little overly dramatic with the pain, but that first time does kill. But really he should just have a hot shower and take it like a man.

[NewMuscle83]

settle petal, you're gona live. dont be going poppin ant inmflams and painkillers lol. it will become as common as brushing your teeth. and fyi, delts are less painful. in no time at all you'll be blasting traps, pecs, bi's etc

I think he's gone a little overly dramatic with the pain, but that first time does kill. But really he should just have a hot shower and take it like a man.

You guys are misunderstanding me a bit. I can definitely take the pain, I'm not worried about that. But my leg is literally twice its normal size--that's what's really worrying me. The pain is pretty much gone now unless I try to extend it, bend it, or walk on it, but other than that I can lay with no pain. The swelling, on the other hand, that shyt doesn't look right.

[NewMuscle83]

Ok, quick update. It's a little over 2.5 days since shot. The pain actually increased a bit, and the swelling didn't go down. There's actually a bit of redness around the area where I pinned. I'm attaching a photo for reference. It's not the best, but you can get an idea.

I appreciate any input. Most likely if it's still the same tomorrow morning, I will have to see the doctor, I'm just getting a weird feeling about this.

[NewMuscle83]

Any comments on the pic??

[Shol'va]

It's really making me wonder about your gear now. Your body could be reacting to the cottonseed oil base. everyone is different. I honestly don't know how many guys are allergic to cottonseed oil but it is a possibility as well as it could be tainted gear. I'm no doctor so take what I say with a grain of sand but if you can stand it and it gets no worse id still hold off another day or two. But I'm also concerned about your gear. It has to be the gear or your body is allergic to something in it. In the end it's your body your call, but if you can struggle through till tuesday when your insurance kicks in then save some bucks but only if you can....Also do some research with your gear and find out if anyone else you know who uses it has any issues...

[NewMuscle83]

Yea, I can definitely wait. I'm pretty immobile, but to save a couple of grand, I'll wait till Tuesday. It sucks cause I was excited about finally trying test. I guess it wouldn't be a good idea to pin tomorrow morning then.

Here is my gear http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...E#.TnZUt9TiiuI

I searched, and no negative reviews at all.

[Chenko]

get in shower and get the hot water on it. hot as you can take and then rub the shit out of it. or used a massager on it. rub it for like 5-10 minutes. work it around and work through it. it will get better.

[Chenko]

unless its infected then go to doctor