First cycle but on bloodthinners

[AnabolicBear]

I wanted to know what would be a good first cycle recommendations for a guy on bloodthinners. I heard plain old test would be g2g but I'm not sure if I want a long or short ester and also about my pct I'm unsure what I would take.

I don't plan on taking the cycle now or even all that soon but I want to learn as much as I can before I actually do it.

Thanks,

AB

[PK-V]

Hi Bear


What are you taking bloodthinners for?

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What are your stats?


So we can help you further

[dec11]

I wanted to know what would be a good first cycle recommendations for a guy on bloodthinners. I heard plain old test would be g2g but I'm not sure if I want a long or short ester and also about my pct I'm unsure what I would take.

I don't plan on taking the cycle now or even all that soon but I want to learn as much as I can before I actually do it.

Thanks,

AB

heres your answer, none.

[AnabolicBear]

I developed a clot in my lung [drs have no idea why] and will be on them for life most likely.
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26 yo, male, training 6 years
6-6 ft, 270 lbs [in the process of cutting]

[dec11]

I developed a clot in my lung [drs have no idea why] and will be on them for life most likely.
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26 yo, male, training 6 years
6-6 ft, 270 lbs [in the process of cutting]

stay away from aas then

[AnabolicBear]

Well I've talked to guys that cycled and were on thinners as well and they said it worked out fine, just had to monitor their inr levels.

[dec11]

Well I've talked to guys that cycled and were on thinners as well and they said it worked out fine, just had to monitor their inr levels.

then why ask us if they know so much? i wouldnt have thought there would be alot in tht position using AAS in gyms.

you've a serious condition, why the hell do you want to use drugs that can affect your blood?

[gixxerboy1]

then why ask us if they know so much? i wouldnt have thought there would be alot in tht position using AAS in gyms.

you've a serious condition, why the hell do you want to use drugs that can affect your blood?

i agree. steroids can effect your blood. Not worth the risk of your life.

[chuckt12345]

^^^ agree, messing with your BP and other stuff prb not the best idea

[AnabolicBear]

I will look on other forums for help, it seems you guys have something against me.

[gixxerboy1]

I will look on other forums for help, it seems you guys have something against me.

seriously?
Everyone gave you good advice. Taking steroids are can be dangerous with your condition. How is that having something against you.
It more sounds like you are immature and are just looking for someone to tell you what you want to hear. Yea run test prop you will be fine.

[devildog1967]

Steroids affect the blood full stop. thats why people go for blood donating to get the blood count down. We are all at risk from blood clots / strokes E.C.T.

i agree if you are on meds from your doctor to thin the blood down , then it would not be at all wise to take any AAS. most def Russian roulette

[Bonaparte]

Yes, we have something against you.
This is why we gave you safe advice to keep your stupid ass alive.
Go play in traffic and do us all a favor. At least that way the media won't be able to blame your death on AAS.

[PK-V]

To begin with, when used at therapeutic and moderately supratherapeutic (above normally prescribed) dosages, anabolic steroids tend to decrease blood-clotting ability. If you want to know specifically what is happening, it appears the drugs increase plasmin, antithrombin III, and protein S levels, stimulate fibrinolysis (clot breakdown), and suppress clotting factors II, V, VII, and X.,[ii] If you look, you’ll see that the prescribing guidelines for anabolic/androgenic steroids in the U.S. warn of potential increases in prothrombin time, a measure of how long it takes for a blood clot to form.[iii] This ‘thinning’ of the blood also seems to make a full noticeable nosebleed more likely, and when it does occur, slower to stop.

Before we move on to the next factor, you need know that steroids don’t always reduce blood clotting. In fact, when used at high supratherapeutic dosages, these drugs can actually have the exact opposite effect on the blood. It seems that anabolic steroids can also elevate levels of thrombin[iv] and C-reactive protein,[v] as well as thromboxane A2 receptor density,[vi] which support clotting. At a certain dosage level, which is yet to be determined and likely varying between individuals, the pro-clotting changes in the blood appear to overtake the anti-clotting effects discussed earlier. These changes have been well-documented in some steroid abusing subjects,[vii] as are reports of (sometimes fatal) blood clots, embolisms, and strokes.






Not worth it bro

These guys are trying to help you

No point posting a question and only accepting what you want to hear as the answer

[AnabolicBear]

Well what about that guy I talked to and he said it went fine for him. Was he lying to me?

[The Bear 79]

Well what about that guy I talked to and he said it went fine for him. Was he lying to me?

Maybe he doesn't know he's done any damage yet, so he sez "it went fine for me", who knows. C'mon man, this inst a difficult decision, b smart.

[gixxerboy1]

Well what about that guy I talked to and he said it went fine for him. Was he lying to me?

maybe he was fine. Does that mean you will be fine? So if it kills 1 out 10 are you willing to risk it?

[dec11]

I will look on other forums for help, it seems you guys have something against me.

on jesus! what age are you, 14?

[AnabolicBear]

I find it funny you guys are trying to dissuade me from using when you all do. It's illegal and drugs and all that. How can you take any moral high ground?

[gixxerboy1]

I find it funny you guys are trying to dissuade me from using when you all do. It's illegal and drugs and all that. How can you take any moral high ground?

you are really thick. We are dissuading you because you are on blood thinners and previously had a clot. And that is the question you came here to ask. No one brought up any moral issues.

[Honkey_Kong]

I find it funny you guys are trying to dissuade me from using when you all do. It's illegal and drugs and all that. How can you take any moral high ground?

Why did you start a thread on here anyways? If you were hell-bent on running gear without anyone's help, this is just a waste of your time and everyone else's. You should be glad that there are people on here with the morals to not encourage a man with a very serious and life threatening blood condition from using a drug that can negatively alter his blood. There is a huge difference between a healthy man using gear and somebody with something serious like blood-clots in the lungs. If I were you, I'd just be glad I was still alive and not mess with gear.

[AnabolicBear]

I mean i know my condition is serious and gear is serious too but WHY can't I do both at the same time?

[Bonaparte]

I mean i know my condition is serious and gear is serious too but WHY can't I do both at the same time?

It's official. You're a retard.
Do you not understand the implications of altered hematocrit and clotting factors?

[im83931]

Its not about morality. Test will increase rbc. If your on blood thinners you can exacerbate any pre-existing conditions. Of course there is always some guy that was ok, but you've been given solid advice. This took me 2 seconds to find:

Androgens and anabolic steroids may potentiate the hypoprothrombinemic response to oral anticoagulants and increase the risk of bleeding. The onset of interaction is generally observed within 2 to 3 days. The mechanism is unknown. There have been case reports of patients stabilized on oral anticoagulant therapy who developed bleeding complications following the addition of various androgenic agents including danazol, oxymetholone, testosterone, methyltestosterone, and stanozolol. In a clinical study (n=15), the concomitant administration of oxandrolone 10 to 20 mg per day increased the half-life of the more active S(-) enantiomer of warfarin from 26 to 48 hours and the systemic exposure (AUC) from 4.55 to 12.08 ng-hr/mL. R(-) warfarin half-life and AUC also increased. Microscopic hematuria and gingival bleeding were reported, and the warfarin dose had to be reduced by 80% to 85% to maintain the desired INR.

There are plenty of other boards that will tell you what you want to hear though.

[The Bear 79]

It's official. You're a retard.
Do you not understand the implications of altered hematocrit and clotting factors?

That 1 induced a "hurtin laff" We talkin Down syndrome, or wut kinda official retardation we dealin with here Bona?

[The Bear 79]

I mean i know my condition is serious and gear is serious too but WHY can't I do both at the same time?

BTW, Bonaparte is a Medic as well as an experienced / knowledgeable AAS vet........... Maybe you'll want 2 listen now??

[AnabolicBear]

I didn't think you guys would be such big Aholes

[xelnaga]

I didn't think you guys would be such big Aholes

It appears there is no link between a persons ability to lift heavy object and their ability to be diplomatic.

[Honkey_Kong]

I didn't think you guys would be such big Aholes

Actually, I think everyone here has been the opposite to you. If we were assholes, we would've encouraged you to use some gear. But whatever, it's your life.

[auslifta]

It's official. You're a retard.Do you not understand the implications of altered hematocrit and clotting factors?

Thats offensive to all retards. This guy is a whole other level. Everyone has been considerate enough to take their time to help him, and it's not what he wants to hear. There is no helping him if he wont listen.