Did my research but more confused now than before.

[evander87]

PCT = Post cycle therapy meaning to get your hormone levels back to normal as quickly as possible when off cycle.

So if you're running a Test e cycle two weeks after your last pinning you'd start PCT. Your natural test levels have dropped and now that the aas is done you're going to have a lot of estrogen.

My understanding is to use a SERM such as Clomi to prevent estrogen from binding to fat cells. But even though it's not binding you still have a lot of it in your system. So you're supposed to use an AI like Letro to remove the non-binding estrogen from your system and jumpstart your body into creating natural test again.

Sooooo if you've run a test e cycle wouldn't this be a fine PCT?

Clomi 50ED/50ED/50ED/50ED
Letro .5ED/.5ED/.25ED/.25ED

Please correct where my thinking is wrong. Thanks people.

[gbrice75]

Hey bro... I know you technically posted this in the correct forum, but it's not a very busy forum and i'm sure you'd get plenty of replies if this were in the Q&A section. I can have it moved for you if you'd like, just let me know.

PS - I don't mind advising you regarding your questions, but there are guys in the Q&A section who are way more qualified and knowledgeable than myself on the topic.

[gbrice75]

*** thread moved to Q&A ***

Bump!!

[Lemonada8]

There is no need for using letro on a PCT. its very potent stuff and there are other much better options out there.

Read swiftos PCT on nolva/clomid combo. IMO that is the best PCT although for a Test E only cycle, nolva only would prolly be good enough but to play it safe might as well use both.

clomid has much more effects than that, dealing with LH release and sensitivity. Same with nolva.

[evander87]

There is no need for using letro on a PCT. its very potent stuff and there are other much better options out there.

Read swiftos PCT on nolva/clomid combo. IMO that is the best PCT although for a Test E only cycle, nolva only would prolly be good enough but to play it safe might as well use both.

clomid has much more effects than that, dealing with LH release and sensitivity. Same with nolva.

Thank you for your reply. I did read his thread but what I wonder is why two SERMs? Isn't a SERM to prevent estrogen from binding to fat cells? You still have estrogen floating around in your system. Shouldn't you use an AI to rid you body of the estrogen and jump start natural testosterone production? I'm not worried about gyno but being 37 I'm afraid of not getting my natural test production levels back to normal.

[Lemonada8]

When you start your PCT, you arent going to have that much estrogen floating around in your body because you wont have that much test in your system either,so less test = less estrogen (for the whole picture). Using SERMS will block the necessary receptors in the brain that are influnced by estrogens negative feedback cycle.
and no SERMs bind to much more than adipose tissue.

[Macon_Bacon]

I'm wondering the same thing.

[dec11]

Thank you for your reply. I did read his thread but what I wonder is why two SERMs? Isn't a SERM to prevent estrogen from binding to fat cells? You still have estrogen floating around in your system. Shouldn't you use an AI to rid you body of the estrogen and jump start natural testosterone production? I'm not worried about gyno but being 37 I'm afraid of not getting my natural test production levels back to normal.

then you should re-evaluate using AAS, i can and does happen. mine went bye bye, i was 31 when i started.

on ave. the natty test levels decline from mid 30's onwards

[evander87]

When you start your PCT, you arent going to have that much estrogen floating around in your body because you wont have that much test in your system either,so less test = less estrogen (for the whole picture). Using SERMS will block the necessary receptors in the brain that are influnced by estrogens negative feedback cycle.
and no SERMs bind to much more than adipose tissue.

Gotcha, Bare with me a little longer please. Now I understand the need for a SERM such as clomid or Nolva but why both?

[evander87]

then you should re-evaluate using AAS, i can and does happen. mine went bye bye, i was 31 when i started.

on ave. the natty test levels decline from mid 30's onwards

Yeah I know. I might have TRT in my future. Hey youngsters!!! Getting old sucks!!

[Lemonada8]

Different actions. Clomid is a mixed agonist/antagonist in the pit/hypothalamus and nolva is antagonistic to both. Clomid, in high doses and long time, desensitizes the response to LHRH = lower LH. Nolva increases sensitivity to LHRH = more LH.