All juice diet?

[Mateo776]

So, I have some weight to lose, roughly 40-50lbs. I watched this documentary (not sure if I can say the name) about this Australian guy who lost a ridiculous amount of weight by consuming nothing but juice for every meal. The juice wasn't like store bought stuff, he actually juiced vegetables and fruits. I don't know how I feel about a diet without a significant source of protein.

I want to try using AAS, however, upon doing my research (as a good newbie should), I have read that I should not even think of beginning any cycles until I have cut down my BF. Fair enough...rather disappointing, but fair enough. I haven't worked out in quite a while either (almost a year, hence the weight gain), and when I working out, it was mainly cardio and a lot of push ups, sit ups, etc.

Things I need to work on:
1. Discipline
2. Diet
3. Discipline

This post turned into more of a rant...but main question, what do you guys think about the "all juice diet"? Thanks in advance!

[Times Roman]

no matter what you do, if all you eat is juice, and omit all fiber, you are going to bloat up with gas, and have diarrhea, or at least i would.

as with all gimmick diets, it is much better to eat a well balanced meal, and just make sure you are in a calorie deficit mode.

[tbody66]

My wife and I loved the documentary (fat, sick and nearly dead) we did a three day juice cleanse and then we incorporated a morning fruit and afternoon veggie juice in our daily routine, mostly for the micronutrients. Two things about the main guy in the documentary, one, I didn't notice him lifting weights, two he used a juicer and not blender. Alot of the value of the raw fruits and vegetables come from the pulp and seeds so we prefer the equipment that uses all of the food source, ours is a vita-mixer.

We were also very impressed with how the skin of those who tried the "diet" would look fresh and almost glow, so obviously a very good cleansing program. For strictly weight loss you could do this program, but if you don't have medical issues(like those in the documetary) I would recommend a three day cleanse and then a bb diet incorporating a veggie juice drink or two each day and a good cardio and weight training program.

Post up your stats and let us help.

[tall76]

U can't live like that just on juice. I wouldn't be as to function- go to work, work out, ect. Start working on putting together a real meal plan with foods that will fuel ur body to workout and is maintainable for a healthy lifestyle. Start at the top with the stickies and do some work. Post up a rough draft of ur diet and we will help u.

[SexySweetheart]

LOVED THIS DOC! (fat, sick and nearly dead) and I think it was where I first heard of the reversal effects on plaque buildup on arteries walls...or maybe it was another show ~ any way, I followed up on the info and it has been proven to be true! Previously only medically implanted stents were used to alter/correct collapse or blocked arteries...so this new info was pretty huge.

Juicing is too expensive for me, tried once but the cost was crazy and if you get the wrong type of juicer its all for not (need an Uoger) cuz the form of juicing effects your juice/ the properties of the drinkable food and the amount of food you add up drinking. (the pulp is great to add for fiber muffins if veggie or slushy’s if fruit)
heres a comparison a few types

If protein intake is a concern, maybe research high protein fruits/veggies...

best of luck! Update us if do try this please...very interested in your possible results

[JohnnyVegas]

I have seen the same documentary. I have always thought fruit and vegetable juices are a great way to get nutrients, and believe it is a decent way to diet for those that have the discipline. I cannot imagine it can be combined with lifting because the lack of protein would make it hard to rebuild muscle.

Having said that, I know you can lose weight eating whole foods as well. I once lost 75 pounds, and then lost 40 pounds of fat again in 2011 after finally getting back in the gym after a long (years) injury recovery. The weight I lost last year was done while still taking in enough protein to add muscle.

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IMO an all juice diet to this point in time is the worst idea ive ever heard!

[Mateo776]

Thanks everybody! I wasn't expecting so many replies so fast! I think one of my main issues is being accountable to someone. I think that if I start posting stats/progress, I will feel 100x more motivated to stick with a plan. I will begin drawing up a rough draft diet etc tomorrow and post it. Thanks again everyone, your posts gave me an extreme boost of motivation!

[SexySweetheart]

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[tbody66]

IMO an all juice diet to this point in time is the worst idea ive ever heard!

Watch the video!

Thanks everybody! I wasn't expecting so many replies so fast! I think one of my main issues is being accountable to someone. I think that if I start posting stats/progress, I will feel 100x more motivated to stick with a plan. I will begin drawing up a rough draft diet etc tomorrow and post it. Thanks again everyone, your posts gave me an extreme boost of motivation!

Again, use the "juice" for a cleanse, then follow-up with a daily dose for micro-nutrients/fiber/good carbs

[Mateo776]

Ok, after a busy week I am starting my diet tomorrow. I am going to do a 10 day juice cleanse followed by a good diet consisting of a lot of protein. I have stocked up on canned beans (kidney, black, etc), a lot of tuna, and a lot of chicken breast. I also have oatmeal for mornings. Any other recommendations for carbs?

[Gym_]

As far as this goes for losing weight HA !!!! i tried this last week and put on 1 kg a day for 6 days...
Now I'm really pissed off because it going to take me 2 weeks to get that back off again...

STUPID FAD DIETS SHOULD BE SHOT !!!

[Mateo776]

As far as this goes for losing weight HA !!!! i tried this last week and put on 1 kg a day for 6 days...
Now I'm really pissed off because it going to take me 2 weeks to get that back off again...

STUPID FAD DIETS SHOULD BE SHOT !!!

You GAINED weight??! I don't know if that is even possible unless you are juicing hamburgers (which I have considered).

[Gym_]

Gained 1kg a day.. bloody fruit and veggies are nothing but carbs with a bit of fiber and when you juice them your removing the fiber so its just a giant glass of carbs and vitamins...
Recommended for any one wanting to bulk or lacking nutrition from eating processed shit for months but dame loosing weight from it... HA what a joke !!!

[tbody66]

Gained 1kg a day.. bloody fruit and veggies are nothing but carbs with a bit of fiber and when you juice them your removing the fiber so its just a giant glass of carbs and vitamins...
Recommended for any one wanting to bulk or lacking nutrition from eating processed shit for months but dame loosing weight from it... HA what a joke !!!

I don't even think it could be humanly possible to gain 1kg a day on a Juice only diet even if you drank 3 gallons a day. It makes you poop crazy for two days solid, it is a cleanse. If you are washing cheeseburgers, pasta and pizza down with a gallon of store-bought juice it would still be hard to put on that kind of weight.

[Gym_]

Well I'm not bullshitting you.. i had nothing but juice ( i juiced my self )for 6 days and went from 151kg to 157kg.. and im really REALLY pissed off about it... im am now back to 152 after killing my self on 0 carb diet again and doing 1 hr cardio and 2hr weights .. and pretty much living of whey powder ..

Oww i dint get the runs either no probs there at all... but if i were to buy store bought orange juice and drink 2L i would be shiting thought the eye of a needle .. go figure

[Times Roman]

one of the problems with juice is that it is heavilyloaded with sugar, and no fiber to make you feel full. I've got the jack lalanne juicer, works great, but after awhile, i decided for me that eating whole food is much better than rendering down a food into it's juice.

[tbody66]

Dude you are a 350lb guy and didn't lose weight on juice only? I absolutely call BS. Based upon that if you didn't eat anything you would probably gain 2kg a day, maybe even every hour.

Times, I agree and think the smoothie is a better way to go, keeps the pulp in, and the smoothies are supposed to be raw veggies with fruits for a little flavor to cut the bitterness, not just fruits.

[JohnnyVegas]

Self-restraint will still be an important part of any diet. Anyone that is overweight is taking in way too many calories. Anyone that is fat and gains weight on a juice diet is obviously taking in more calories than are needed for them to get their day's nutrients.

Also, the juices should mostly be vegetable, not fruit. That is what makes them so yucky. We would all do it if we could drink yummy, sugary fruit juice all day and get ripped.

[jimmyinkedup]

Well I'm not bullshitting you.. i had nothing but juice ( i juiced my self )for 6 days and went from 151kg to 157kg.. and im really REALLY pissed off about it... im am now back to 152 after killing my self on 0 carb diet again and doing 1 hr cardio and 2hr weights .. and pretty much living of whey powder ..

Oww i dint get the runs either no probs there at all... but if i were to buy store bought orange juice and drink 2L i would be shiting thought the eye of a needle .. go figure

IIRC you were doing low/no carb up to trying this. of course you gained alot. As soon as you introduced all those carbs again you immediately put on/retained about 10 bs of water weight.
I do a 2 day all grape juice and fiber cleanse (no solid food at all) pre every cut or bulk.
I prefer lifestyle changes over a "diet". However if you use this to lose a bunch of fat then change lifestyle and eat healthy - it has to be better than staying fat.

[SexySweetheart]

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[tbody66]

The video being referred to used primarily kale as it's base, and the auther/videographer sipped on them throughout the day and had no other source of nutrition, he also had weekly medical check ups and blood work and was found to be healthier and healthier every single week with absolutely no negative affects from the program. He even eventually got off of his medication completely for his illness, so did the really fat guy he met at the truck stop.

I can chug almost anything, no matter how nasty it tastes, I've been doing this bodybuilding thing long enough. Most of the people on here wouldn't even think of drinking what they used to sell as protein drinks, based upon how it tasted. The worst tasting protein out there today would taste like a triple thick chocolate shake in comparison.

[JohnnyVegas]

^^^^ Ugh, I remember some of the liquid amino stuff I used to drink. They said it tasted like orange, I disagree. It was vile.

I remember when I was a kid and thought all the guys in the ads got big by using supplements. I used to take all kinds of nasty stuff. All gross. All useless.

[tbody66]

I think that amino stuff was fish bait. And smelled NASTY!

[V-ROID]

If you want to lose weight and be forced to eat clean and low cal then get on an ANTI-CANDIDA diet combined with an INTERMITTENT FASTING program. You won't even have to do cardio to drop wieght but if you do you will melt into a new man ASAP. I love my Omega masticating juicer and that show is very motivating for a fat, sick **** but there are better, easier, healthier, faster ways to drop the gunt and firm up.

[Gym_]

I absolutely call BS.

Shit happens brother.... if it worked for me i would have been on here sprouting the news like i do my 0 carb diet ..
Every one is different and for me cals dont mean anything at all its only carbs
i could eat 10,000 cal a day if i wanted to with 0 carbs and lose 1kg a day ..
But if i eat 1000cal and have 500g of carbs then ill put on 1kg a day..
comes under shit happens and no matter what any one says this is me..
Ive dropped 30kg last year on my 0 carb diet and hopefully mange to drop 50kg this year ..

Peace out ppls

[jimmyinkedup]

^^^ find what works for you and stick with it....
Keto has served me well in the past also......

[SexySweetheart]

^^^ find what works for you and stick with it....
Keto has served me well in the past also......

what he said, 100%

[Times Roman]

^^^ find what works for you and stick with it....
Keto has served me well in the past also......

sorry for the hijack OP.
but damn! i'm an old Atkins nut, but keep hearing about this Keto for weight lifters (Atkins is definately NOT for weight lifters), so I may have to give it a try to get below the 14% im at now. although i suspect when i finally do get home and can eat cleanly once again, i should be able to drop another point or two just on the clean diet over a few months

[tbody66]

I'm sure you can get under 14, even in Afghanistan. I ate a body-builder diet in Iraq, of course it was on Anaconda, so really just like being at home as big as that base was.

[Gym_]

If you do it properly Atkins etc its the fastest way to lose weight, most people loses around 1kg a day once that have gone into ketosis.
After 2 weeks it drops a bit so thats when i normally hit the complex carbs for 2 days and then back on it again..

It has to be done 100% correctly the tiniest deviation will screw you for anther 2 days as it will knock you out of ketosis.

here is the link to his book if anyone is interested http://www.filesonic.com/file/4304399384

In my personal Opinion !!

[Gym_]

Sorry to the OP for the hijack

[tbody66]

If you do it properly Atkins etc its the fastest way to lose weight, most people loses around 1kg a day once that have gone into ketosis.
After 2 weeks it drops a bit so thats when i normally hit the complex carbs for 2 days and then back on it again..

It has to be done 100% correctly the tiniest deviation will screw you for anther 2 days as it will knock you out of ketosis.

here is the link to his book if anyone is interested http://www.filesonic.com/file/4304399384

This has been found to be true in only about 38% of the population and also only true for the first few months, the low carb diet and low fat diet results, after one year of proper and consistent application, have proven negligible differences(meaning almost identical) Everyone has an opinion and several have personal experience, but to put forth "x is the fastest/best/only way to lose weight/gain muscle/get women" is not in the spirit of this board. You may very well have experienced this personally after having tried several approaches, but that is how you should state the information, from a personal view. If you put it as a matter of fact than provide your clinical report information. The most knowledgable members of this board have varying opinions on the atkins/keto/power protein programs from complete support to complete opposition. I'm not taking a stand against your view, just in the way you expressed it.

[Gym_]

I think i read somewhere that 20 million people have lost weight and kept it off using this approach but i defiantly get were your coming from and respect that fully... i have added at the bottom of my post In my personal Opinion ..

Every one is different some things work better for some then others... Same as body building, all you have to do is say to some one at the gym.. how come you do that in stead of that and they say... ow i used to but i find i get much better results from doing it this way and you say ooww i used to do it that way but didn't do bugger all for me,, etc etc ..

Its all good my friend and were all here ( well most of us ) to help others in the quest to be buff..lol

[Gym_]

You will have to excuse me as some times i get rather excited and rather full on when i talk about 0 carb diet.. to me it was like finding a magic bean stalk ... for years i have battled weight working my ass off on diet after diet.. doing hrs and hrs of cardo after cardio and still not showing bugger all for it ...

i have found a lot of people on this board and in real life dont even understand the basic principals behind it ... and well why would you if all you do is not eat crap and you drop weight and get buff .. but for millions of ppl out there there is nothing that comes close ... IMHO <<< lol

[jimmyinkedup]

^^^^ I felt the same way when I did the zone diet - my first "textbook" diet I followed years ago.
Completely understandable imo....
Over time you might try other approaches when your goals change etc, or you may not. This may be perfect for you now and forever. IMO Its great that we have people knowledgable in so many approaches - it makes this place such an amazing resource.

[Times Roman]

quick hijack for a funny juice story. few years back, got my new Jack Lalanna juicer. was pretty excited about it, and was promptly going through the fridge juicing up all the veggies and drinking it down pronto. opened the next veggie drawer, and saw the woman had a whole beet in there. what the hell, right? so in the juicer it goes, along with some carrots, etc. and down the hatch it goes, into me. well, the beet juice was pretty strong, alot stronger than i realized. later on, i need to take a leak. so i pull out all 15" of my manhood (juice will do that to you, make your manhood grow, that and injecting HGH directly into the shaft) and start leaking. Instead of a light amber color, what comes out is a dark brown liquid, and i began to freak until i remembered about the beet juice. So it made me humurously think that the next time I have a employment prescreen, wouldn't it be a chuckle to drink some beet juice right before i pee in the cup?

[Times Roman]

^just kidding abouut the HGH in the above, in case anyone gets any crazy ideas.

[tbody66]

My personal experience was 12 years ago when I was doing the "physique transformation challange" by Bill Phillips for his "muscle media" magazine. I was having a very tough time getting the bodyfat off my love handles and was reading "bodyopus" by Dan Duchaine. I began a program called "power protein" and tweaked it with Dan's ideas. So I began dropping all carbs Sunday night and then re-introducing them on Friday nights, the program also called for full carb-loading every weekend to keep your body from benefitting from the Ketosis state and trying to avoid the damaging side affects to vital organs which had been suggested by some medical research at the time. So I was eating steak and sausage and eggs and all the other stuff I loved all the time until I not only stopped loving it, I stopped liking it, then on the weekends I would begin a re-feed of as many simple carbs as I could force myself to eat. The plan actually suggested that you do so, every four hours, so I was eating boxes of powdered donuts and washing them down with chocolate milk and orange juice. I can not describe how expensive this "diet" was, how miserable I was all of the time. I constantly felt half awake, my strength plummeted, my attitude was worse than any steroid induced mood swing I have ever heard of. My brain was foggy, etc..., etc..., etc... it did seem to pull fat from the hard to pull out of areas, but I am not certain that there wasn't a better way for me. And whether we like it or not, since I am not nor was I a competetive bodybuilder, I can't imagine it was worth the down side. I completely understood the science behind the process, I absolutely was and still am clear on how it is supposed to work and why the research would support that, but it did not provide the dream results promised nor experienced by others I have read from, heard from and actually know. Since then I have seen, at the very least, equally impressive results from a sensible diet with a proper mix of carbs/proteins/fats in moderate portions for most meals. I also understand the science that fats and proteins along with carbs all help each other to be better utilized by the body when ingested together.

IMO the best way to burn fat is consistent and intense Weight Lifting #1, Drinking enough Water #2, Getting enough Sleep #3, Diet #4, including(in order of importance)Calories in vs calories out, Macro-Mix that works best for your own individual body, Avoiding Alcohol and finally Fasted Cardio #5.