blood work to check test

[TED66]

long story short. im a 1 finger typer and slow. been on self medicating TRT lost my source . On 31 of jan 2012 thought this doc was gonna take me on as TRT patient but instead referred me to an endo, so my last injection of TEST E was a week and 2 days prior to this app. and i felt like crap so he gave me a 200mg free of charge TEST C injection in office. called endo couldnt afford. so hastily tried out a source domestic got it on feb. 3rd in eve. did a 200mg inj of supposed TEST C. did one more injection on 7th got bloods drawn on the Feb 9th in afternoon. got a bunch done for cheap and will post up when i get them back supposedly on mon. my question is would my test levels be high still from the docs TEST which i know is legit. the reason doing 200mg of the new source is just assumng its underdosed . i know this may seem to sound like a dumb ? but i still just dont understan the half life thing and being at baseline on day such and such even though i read it a million times. maybe it needs to be explained to me more simply or with pics IDK cause im just not feeling "ON" anymoreeven after the DOC INJECT can someone please help understand better.

[bass]

to be honest this is why self medicating especially for some one like you who don't understand half life is very dangerous! but here is what half life means, its the point where you reach the peak. for example test half life is about 3 days, which means if you inject test and your base line was at 350, by the third day you will peak lets say at 800, then it starts tapering down, and by the sixth day you're back to where you were at 350. i hope this clears what half life means!

[Vettester]

Bass, not to spoil the party with your post, but half life on test cyp is at 7 to 8 days. I think what you were referring to is when the peak hits, which is at the 48 to 72 hour range. Serum levels will gradually decrease from there, and the active life of the ester will expire around 14 to 16 days. Even after 2 weeks, a person usually won't be baseline. In my case, serum levels hit full baseline at approx. 21 days. Everyone will be a little different depending on their rate of metabolism. Breaking up the dosage and injecting 2x per week helps stabilize the peak efficiency; allowing minimal trough variance in the protocol.

[Vettester]

OP, agree with Bass that self medicating is risky stuff. Possibly you can search out a new doctor that can assist you with getting everything on track? Yes, please post up the lab results when available. Subscribed.

Also, I know a good doctor in the Santa Monica area if that's something you want to explore. PM me if needed.

[Psychoeric210]

I have low T and get a test E injection every 2 weeks. It used to be 3 weeks but on the 14th day I had blood work and had dropped down to 180 which was my original reading. (I have a tumor and I know it's not the same for everybody but wanted to put my 0.02 in.)

[Viking13]

Psycho, no offense meant but please start your own thread so these guys can address your specific problems. I'd be interested to read your history with having a tumor and how u are being treated.

[TED66]

i dont have a tumor

[Viking13]

Message was for psyco210 bro.

[bass]

Bass, not to spoil the party with your post, but half life on test cyp is at 7 to 8 days. I think what you were referring to is when the peak hits, which is at the 48 to 72 hour range. Serum levels will gradually decrease from there, and the active life of the ester will expire around 14 to 16 days. Even after 2 weeks, a person usually won't be baseline. In my case, serum levels hit full baseline at approx. 21 days. Everyone will be a little different depending on their rate of metabolism. Breaking up the dosage and injecting 2x per week helps stabilize the peak efficiency; allowing minimal trough variance in the protocol.

thanks for the correction Vette, i guess i too didn't have a full understanding of half life!

[TED66]

ok cool i fully understand that half life now. when i started my TRT i was at 214ng/dl total test. when i started with my original idiot sorce i brought my level to 1300 range. estro was high was 100 so got a-dex . mon i will see and i will post up work . they said wed at latest.

[Vettester]

thanks for the correction Vette, i guess i too didn't have a full understanding of half life!

I think you were on the right track with it ... We talk a lot about the peak times here, which can sometimes get misconstrued with the half life topic.

[zaggahamma]

ted
so basically your trying to test out your test from your new source?
and you'll know your bloodwork results tomorrow (monday) 2 days from posting this?

also... a nice tip to kiss the one finger typing good bye....go on amazon or ebay and type in mavis beacon...

be looking for you post monday or wednesday now i reread your last post

if you did 400mg total of test cyp the week of feb 3-7 and did bloods on the 9th your levels should be quite high and i would say out of range

[DaRoq]

The subject of half-life can drive you crazy if you let it. When my Dr. told me I needed to give the Test time to build up, I tried to model concentrations based on the 7 day half-life and 14 day active-life. It was too complicated for a non-Scientist like me, so I gave up.

Along the same lines, I've read that you can predict levels based on the dose. Exactly how that's done is a mystery to me, but it's supposedly how Doctors know how much to prescribe. Anyone have a clue?

[kelkel]

Bass you just confused serum peak and half-life. It happens as we age.....

[TED66]

ted
so basically your trying to test out your test from your new source?
and you'll know your bloodwork results tomorrow (monday) 2 days from posting this?

also... a nice tip to kiss the one finger typing good bye....go on amazon or ebay and type in mavis beacon...

be looking for you post monday or wednesday now i reread your last post

if you did 400mg total of test cyp the week of feb 3-7 and did bloods on the 9th your levels should be quite high and i would say out of range

yes you are correct ...exactly . just an update on labs ,well havent got back yet . hopefully tomorrow or friday.

[zaggahamma]

yes you are correct ...exactly . just an update on labs ,well havent got back yet . hopefully tomorrow or friday.

dont forget to look for mavis beacon on amazon or heaven forbid, ebay

[bass]

Bass you just confused serum peak and half-life. It happens as we age.....

LOL, but also you learn something everyday, so there is balance!

[zaggahamma]

there is now a lovely half life thread burning bright in the forum for your enjoyment

[bass]

yup, saw it, good stuff!

[TED66]

ok well here they are just got em kinda disappointed that both sources are way underdosed as i pinned 200mg CYP on 3rd from 1 sorce and 250 mg CYP in the AM day before labs taken. So on 31st Jan. DOCTOR gave me 200mg inj. did another 200mg from UGL on Feb3rd and one more from different UGL of 250mg on Feb 8th in the morning, had labs taken on Feb 9th around 2pm. now before the doc inj I had only missed a week of previous source that i ran out of and quit going cause overpriced and my levels were 1347ng/dl total test and 50.8 free test consistantly.]

[bass]

Hey Ted, i highly recommend that you delete these attachments because they show your personal information. cut the personal info and just post the results. do is FAST! delete attachments first!

[TED66]

dont forget to look for mavis beacon on amazon or heaven forbid, ebay

yea man i will , for sure . thanks for that link

[zaggahamma]

Well free test was double the high end range

do you have previous similar blood work resuts using similar doses showing your levels higher or something

900's total isnt all that high, i presumed it would be higher also but the free is real high so idk...i'll bump for more o's

just my .02

[bass]

your hemoglobin and RBC are way up, you need to give blood ASAP, your liver enzymes are high but that will get corrected once you give blood, and if you drink alcohol stop. your good cholesterol is in the tank, probably because you're taking way too much liquidex, your e2 is very low as well. man i can't even follow what you're doing, you're playing with this stuff as if its candy. i am sorry bro, its going to be hard for anyone to help you do this right.

[bass]

Well free test was double the high end range

do you have previous similar blood work resuts using similar doses showing your levels higher or something

900's total isnt all that high, i presumed it would be higher also but the free is real high so idk...i'll bump for more o's

just my .02

JP, he injected 250 mgs the day before his blood draw, of course these values will be high, but i am puzzled about his total! i wish he did SHBG as well!

[zaggahamma]

JP, he injected 250 mgs the day before his blood draw, of course these values will be high, but i am puzzled about his total! i wish he did SHBG as well!

he's questioning and thinking that his gear is underdosed...the sole purpose of the bloodwork? do you have an answer for him based on the bloodwork? i stated that the free T was double the high end yet the total was kind of where you and i would want to be maybe on trough draw? so , idk?
i reckon the gear isnt completely bunk ? interesting way to test, thats y i asked him if he has comparison bloodwork.

[bass]

he's questioning and thinking that his gear is underdosed...the sole purpose of the bloodwork? do you have an answer for him based on the bloodwork? i stated that the free T was double the high end yet the total was kind of where you and i would want to be maybe on trough draw? so , idk?
i reckon the gear isnt completely bunk ? interesting way to test, thats y i asked him if he has comparison bloodwork.

i agree!

[TED66]

he's questioning and thinking that his gear is underdosed...the sole purpose of the bloodwork? do you have an answer for him based on the bloodwork? i stated that the free T was double the high end yet the total was kind of where you and i would want to be maybe on trough draw? so , idk?
i reckon the gear isnt completely bunk ? interesting way to test, thats y i asked him if he has comparison bloodwork.

yes i got more hold on a sec.this from JAN 9 and its with shgb

[TED66]

sorry i had to cover up my personal info as it slipped my mind but was brought to my attention , thank you VETTEMAN

[TED66]

Hey Ted, i highly recommend that you delete these attachments because they show your personal information. cut the personal info and just post the results. do is FAST! delete attachments first!

thank you BASS

[TED66]

i agree!

well yes you are right ,not completely but way underdosed[FONT=Arial]i mean I pinned 750mgs within 9 days 200 was legit cause from doc but come on ./FONT]

[bass]

Ted, the most important thing you need to do now (ASAP) is give blood, at these RBC levels you may get rejected by most blood drives, but go to LifeSTream, they use some kind of a liquid to check your iron in stead of a numerical value, all others i tried they use a digital machine and max hemoglobin level to qualify for donating blood is i believe 17.3, and you're way above that. also its dangerous to keep these levels high for too long, heart attack or stroke! not trying to scare you, just want you to know its important to get it done soon. get milk-thistle to treat your liver, but i believe once you give blood your liver will improve as well.

[bass]

BTW, drink allot of water to help bring down your levels.

[jamotech]

well yes you are right ,not completely but way underdosed[FONT=Arial]i mean I pinned 750mgs within 9 days 200 was legit cause from doc but come on ./FONT]

Ted, you didnt cover your info on 2nd page of BW.

Also, this method of determining if your gear is legit is obviously not working, would you agree?

[kelkel]

I'm at a loss for words.

[TED66]

Ted, the most important thing you need to do now (ASAP) is give blood, at these RBC levels you may get rejected by most blood drives, but go to LifeSTream, they use some kind of a liquid to check your iron in stead of a numerical value, all others i tried they use a digital machine and max hemoglobin level to qualify for donating blood is i believe 17.3, and you're way above that. also its dangerous to keep these levels high for too long, heart attack or stroke! not trying to scare you, just want you to know its important to get it done soon. get milk-thistle to treat your liver, but i believe once you give blood your liver will improve as well.

do i donate whole blood or platelet?

[TED66]

Ted, you didnt cover your info on 2nd page of BW. i cant change it now

Also, this method of determining if your gear is legit is obviously not working, would you agree?

i cant change it now .

[TED66]

I'm at a loss for words.

well i needed all this shit checked anyhow....right? so while im checking this just trying to get an idea of what you guys thought i should be at. pretty simple question. i know the shit is not dosed correctly and should go to doc to get script . will eventually. just askin for help not " im at a loss for words" thats not help .i know im doing this the wrong way ! but its what i got to do for now. thanks for your intelligent input

[bass]

Ted, believe me bro, we all have sincere intentions to help you, but you really need to accept the fact that you think you can play with these drugs, you could do more harm than good if you use your self as guinea pig especially when you're not up to date with TRT, we simply care about your health. whole blood for now so you can donate every 56 days, keep your platelets, you're somewhat low on that anyway and it won't help lower you levels down. whole blood or double reds, but i recommend whole blood for now. BTW, you should be able to delete uploaded pics, you can do it from your profile.

i like to note and this is why i agree with JPK regarding your gear might be legit. you drew blood about 24 hours after your last injection, so the last shot didn't have enough time to peak, it take about 48-72 hours to Peck.

[kelkel]

well i needed all this shit checked anyhow....right? so while im checking this just trying to get an idea of what you guys thought i should be at. pretty simple question. i know the shit is not dosed correctly and should go to doc to get script . will eventually. just askin for help not " im at a loss for words" thats not help .i know im doing this the wrong way ! but its what i got to do for now. thanks for your intelligent input

Ted, I did not mean to hurt your feelings and I apologize if it came out wrong. It just seems to me you need to take a step back and re-group here before you end up having even more problems. No one here is perfect. I'm sure as hell not. We'd all like to see you get this stuff straightened out and I think if you simplified things a bit and gave it some time, that would probably happen. Be patient! And when it comes to your high RBC, I'd donate DRBC. It will take out about 2.5 times the abount of red blood cells as whole blood will. I felt great after doing it and you will too.