Your opinion??

[Yourtruuly]

I hope this works
Stats: second cycle, 210lbs. 5'11" 10%bf.

Cycle: 8weeks test e @ 800mg/wk followed by 4 weeks of sust @ 1000mg wk and 50mg daily of tbol for those 4 weeks too. Then clom and HCG for PCT.

[gixxerboy1]

makes no sense to me to jump up the dose for 4 the last 4 weeks. especially with sust and its long esters

[stpete]

^^^ Me either...PCT is inadequate.

[gixxerboy1]

^^^ Me either...PCT is inadequate.

didnt notice that. You are correct.
I would use the hcg during cycle and get nolva and clomid for pct

[xelnaga]

It would make more sense to use the sust first.

[Yourtruuly]

you think i should add nolva? and why you say sust first? makes more sense to me to be second...

[Knockout_Power]

and why you say sust first? makes more sense to me to be second...

first off, dont ever ramp your doses. You are looking for stable levels and increasing doses leads to more sides.

And to answer why sust first, think about it, sust has short esters built in. You will start seeing the gains a little faster with the sust and then continue with the Test E

If this is only a 2nd cycle, you dont need to use this much. 750 for the duration of this cycle is plenty and even more than most people bother using

[testfeind123]

hcg is not for pct..yull basically be shut down throughout your pct if you did that

[MMeraji]

How is HCG not recommended for PCT? I could see how too much could cause a negative feedback loop causing the pituitary to stop production of FSH but at a reasonable dose with Nolva and adex and possibly clomid it would force an instant jump start of the cells of Leydig giving damn near no lag time from exogenous testosterone to endogenous testosterone. I prefer HMG anyway but I'm curious about your opinion.

[Knockout_Power]

How is HCG not recommended for PCT? I could see how too much could cause a negative feedback loop causing the pituitary to stop production of FSH but at a reasonable dose with Nolva and adex and possibly clomid it would force an instant jump start of the cells of Leydig giving damn near no lag time from exogenous testosterone to endogenous testosterone. I prefer HMG anyway but I'm curious about your opinion.

Using HCG is to prevent shutdown. Shutdown has already occured by time we PCT, thats why we run it... PCT products work for PCT

[Yourtruuly]

ok, so these are my notes...

- add nolvadex to my PCT.
- i think there is a discrepency on HCG during or after...and may i ask, if you are saying during, then at what point should i start?
- dont ramp up the doses.
- start with sust (4 weeks? or 8 weeks? of the 12 week cycle?)


Edit: I appreciate the advice people, i am collecting my product in the next few days, and i will have enough to accomplish all of this, so your notes are appreciated - thx

[Yourtruuly]

my understanding is that sust has a time released effect, and would carry on after the cycle, which is why only 4 weeks of sust... wouldnt the sust and tbol make a nice combo?