18 and low test?

[vinny123]

when i got blood work i found out my total test was at 320. i know i should had gotten all of the results for the bloodwork but i didn't. i haven't felt good for a couple years now it kind of sucks. I'm always tired, i have horrible sleep, no energy, depression and just don't feel good at all. what do you think it can be?

[SlimmerMe]

Welcome.
Hope you start to feel better. There is a lot of great info here to take in.

Any chance of getting your other BW tests? This would certainly help a lot.
Do you happen to know if your thyroid was tested?

Good luck to you~

[vinny123]

not sure about thyroid being tested. i got the test done a month or two ago. im going to get more blood work soon though i just finished a cycle. i honestly felt better after doing a 6 week cycle of hdrol. what would be examples of a thyroid problem? the same symptoms as low test?

[brazilian86]

18 years old? So young.
Shouldn't take you a long time to get back to normal, naturally.

[Vettester]

not sure about thyroid being tested. i got the test done a month or two ago. im going to get more blood work soon though i just finished a cycle. i honestly felt better after doing a 6 week cycle of hdrol. what would be examples of a thyroid problem? the same symptoms as low test?

Well, this is probably the culprit of your low "T". More than likely some suppression with the HPTA. Did you attempt some sort of PCT after taking the Hdrol? It would be good for your doctors to include a LH/FSH lab in addition to others. You should be able to get this on track with running a decent PCT. There's a forum on this site dedicated to PCT medications and protocols.

[vinny123]

Well, this is probably the culprit of your low "T". More than likely some suppression with the HPTA. Did you attempt some sort of PCT after taking the Hdrol? It would be good for your doctors to include a LH/FSH lab in addition to others. You should be able to get this on track with running a decent PCT. There's a forum on this site dedicated to PCT medications and protocols.

no i did this after i found out i had low T. my pct was good, i used tamoxifen citrate and tried to do everything perfect. i just figured i had nothing to lose since my test levels were already low.

[JD250]

Go to the PCT forum and tell them EVERYTHING and see if they can help you.

[vinny123]

Go to the PCT forum and tell them EVERYTHING and see if they can help you.

i decided to cycle because i found out i had low test levels.

[Vettester]

Vinny, just confirm the events in chronological order ... (Correct me if I'm wrong)

-You ran a testosterone lab, which came back at 320 (Presuming you did this with your doctor?)
- Your score was low, you didn't feel good, you ran a 6 week cycle of PH
- You did a PCT, but you don't feel good.

If that's the correct order of events, then what you need to do is get back into the doctor and run more labs to see what your current BW looks like. Is the Tamox the only thing you ran after your cycle? (No Clomid or HCG?). There's a good chance that you're shutdown even more than before. One big concern is that you said the lab was taken before any cycle. 320 isn't normal for a guy your age, that's obvious, but it makes one speculate why it was low to begin with. I'm surprised your doctor didn't want to investigate a little more by taking a MRI, or checking to see if the cause is testicular related (primary).

Regardless, I think you need to get with your doctor ASAP and get a plan of action in place. You might get lectured and all of that jazz, but I would be up front with him/her about your past so that you can get on course.

[vinny123]

yea thats right, im going to a urologist in around 3 weeks. i thought just one type of serm was needed for such a mild cycle,in the sense it wasn't such a strong steroid and was only 6 weeks. i thought hcg was used for cycles that go for 12 weeks and longer, and clomid was just another choice like tamox or torem. anything you can think of that could make it so low at my age?

[Vettester]

Like I mentioned before, your test score was low prior to the cycle, so the worry is that you could have other issues going on that need to be looked at by the doctor. You may be underestimating the affects of PH's, as they tend to have a nasty reputation for shutting the natty down real fast. I don't know how much Nolva you took, or how long, but honestly it's irrellevant at the moment, as I'm betting you're more suppressed than before.

If you can bump up the urologist appointment, get in sooner. Did your medical team address your prior score of 320 with you? The sooner you get in, the sooner you can get a "normal" life going again.

[vinny123]

Like I mentioned before, your test score was low prior to the cycle, so the worry is that you could have other issues going on that need to be looked at by the doctor. You may be underestimating the affects of PH's, as they tend to have a nasty reputation for shutting the natty down real fast. I don't know how much Nolva you took, or how long, but honestly it's irrellevant at the moment, as I'm betting you're more suppressed than before.

If you can bump up the urologist appointment, get in sooner. Did your medical team address your prior score of 320 with you? The sooner you get in, the sooner you can get a "normal" life going again.

they just gave me some bullshit saying i was in normal range. thats far from normal being 18 lol. im going the 23rd. what do you think these other problems could be? i know your not a doctor, but maybe you know of somebody who might of had a similar experience?

[kelkel]

Take vetteman's advice to heart and run with it please.

[Vettester]

You are correct, I'm not a doctor, which is why you need to be talking to a GOOD one ASAP. The other problems you asked about could be some sort of pituitary disorder, or complications with the testes. I agree, 320 is low, especially for 18. That's the problem with some of the GP's out there ... A lot of them want to just stick to what the range is. Total Testosterone might have a range of 280-to-850 (or something like it), but there's nothing "normal" IMO for a 18yo to be in the low 300's. The good news is, 320 is low, but it's not completely shutdown, so you're capable of producing exogenous test, it's just not optimal.

If it makes you feel any better, you're talking with someone who has had a similar experience. My story doesn't involve the PH's like you, but I went through the same ordeal of discovering I had low "T". The big difference was that I was in my early 40's, not 18. However, it was the same process of ruling out that I didn't have a tumor in the pituitary region. My LH/FSH levels were low (I think 1.9 or so at the time), which was the indicator the doctors needed to take a look at the pituitary. In your case, this would have been a huge lab to have at the time. High levels of LH/FSH would indicate a possible problem in the testicular region; possibly indicating leydig cell damage and/or other issues. The problem now is that your HPTA could be shutdown real good from the PH's, so there's a chance your LH/FSH is going to be in the tank regardless of your condition.

Anyways, I didn't have any complications, as confirmed from my MRI, and I'm just like a million other guys who start getting hypogonadism in their 40's, also known to some as Andropause. In your case, you're 18, your whole life is ahead of you! You don't need any of this stuff at your age! Call the doctor tomorrow and see if they can bump you up, or see if there's other cancellations. Be up front with them. Ask that they give you a full battery of lab tests, including the thyroid panels that were spoke about above. I think you have addressed this early enough that you can get it back on track, just don't wait any longer than you have to.

Wishing you all the best!
Vette

[vinny123]

You are correct, I'm not a doctor, which is why you need to be talking to a GOOD one ASAP. The other problems you asked about could be some sort of pituitary disorder, or complications with the testes. I agree, 320 is low, especially for 18. That's the problem with some of the GP's out there ... A lot of them want to just stick to what the range is. Total Testosterone might have a range of 280-to-850 (or something like it), but there's nothing "normal" IMO for a 18yo to be in the low 300's. The good news is, 320 is low, but it's not completely shutdown, so you're capable of producing exogenous test, it's just not optimal.

If it makes you feel any better, you're talking with someone who has had a similar experience. My story doesn't involve the PH's like you, but I went through the same ordeal of discovering I had low "T". The big difference was that I was in my early 40's, not 18. However, it was the same process of ruling out that I didn't have a tumor in the pituitary region. My LH/FSH levels were low (I think 1.9 or so at the time), which was the indicator the doctors needed to take a look at the pituitary. In your case, this would have been a huge lab to have at the time. High levels of LH/FSH would indicate a possible problem in the testicular region; possibly indicating leydig cell damage and/or other issues. The problem now is that your HPTA could be shutdown real good from the PH's, so there's a chance your LH/FSH is going to be in the tank regardless of your condition.

Anyways, I didn't have any complications, as confirmed from my MRI, and I'm just like a million other guys who start getting hypogonadism in their 40's, also known to some as Andropause. In your case, you're 18, your whole life is ahead of you! You don't need any of this stuff at your age! Call the doctor tomorrow and see if they can bump you up, or see if there's other cancellations. Be up front with them. Ask that they give you a full battery of lab tests, including the thyroid panels that were spoke about above. I think you have addressed this early enough that you can get it back on track, just don't wait any longer than you have to.

Wishing you all the best!
Vette

i remeber i got an MRI a couple years ago and everything came back fine. wasn't for the same reasons. so you think i wont need trt? and ill make sure to ask for all the lab tests. oh yea and thanks for all the advice so far everybody.

[bullshark99]

Vinny, Im similar to Vette in that I discovered moderately low Tes earlier this at age 43, like millions of others my age. I would love to be 18 again but as they say with age comes knowledge and wisdom. Im not saying you are not a bright guy but Vette really summed it up best, I hope you follow his advice!!!! Your last comment of having an MRI a couple yrs ago and suggesting someone doesnt think you ned TRT???? Spill your guts to the Dr and go from there, 300 is serious low for your age and it is possible you permanently damage yourself (possible I said) pls take all this seriously and get help.
Best of luck

[vinny123]

nono my test was that low before i started a cycle. i knew all the risks with it. i figured i might as well cycle now because im going to end up on trt anyway.