To Clen or NOT to Clen?

[innerg]

Ok I'm 25% body fat and I have a lot of Clen. So here's the question.

Should I start it? And will it even help me? Or do I just need to diet Down more because I'm to fat for it to work?

If that is the case what body fat% should I be at before starting it?

Thanks.

[Razor]

Do not clen, diet down to 12%

[innerg]

12% ? Is that when it will actually work?

[Razor]

Let me put it to you this way since im fresh off the clen
I was 12%, on Christmas Holiday, eating all the junk I wanted and not working out and I still got down to 10%
Granted I was on GH as well, but the clen made a huge difference
At 25% your borderline getting male gyno without taking any steriods.
You have to get that bf% down before clen is going to work like you want it to.
Also you want to stack it with T3 as well, but ease your way into it.

[Standby]

ill agree with getting your bf down without it. should be fairly easy with a good diet and cardio at 25%.

if you feel the need for something try eca and see how that goes

[innerg]

Let me put it to you this way since im fresh off the clen
I was 12%, on Christmas Holiday, eating all the junk I wanted and not working out and I still got down to 10%
Granted I was on GH as well, but the clen made a huge difference
At 25% your borderline getting male gyno without taking any steriods.
You have to get that bf% down before clen is going to work like you want it to.
Also you want to stack it with T3 as well, but ease your way into it.

Razr thanks man. Let me ask this. Not giving you blow back but are you saying that Clen can give me gyno at 25% bf?
Or you just saying your to fat right now?

And yes I do have T3 as well just scared to use it. Lol. Lack of education on that stuff.

[Razor]

No to much fat going on cycle or not can cause estrogen, clen will not give you gyno
Men can have gyno by having to much bf%.
If you already admit lack of education, please read more before you start dosing yourself.
Education is key
And yes Im saying your to fat right now in the nicest way I can

[innerg]

No to much fat going on cycle or not can cause estrogen
Men can have gyno by having to much bf%.

Ok Gyno will NOT be a Issue I assure you. ( glands are gone had surgery 2 months ago) intact wouldn't mind a little as I have a bit of a sunken chest look from it.

BUT anyways so to clarify Clen will help me at this % or will Not help me. Sorry I'm kinda slow

[Razor]

Clen will do nothing for you at 25% imo
Im telling you if you diet and exericise you can get there very quick
The use the clen on as needed basis when you at 12%

[innerg]

Education is key
And yes Im saying your to fat right now in the nicest way I can

Haha cool thanks man. Just seen this.

[innerg]

ill agree with getting your bf down without it. should be fairly easy with a good diet and cardio at 25%.

if you feel the need for something try eca and see how that goes

What's every ones fav ECA stack now?

[Razor]

How long have you been working out? Are you like an avid gym rat throwing up 225 on the bench 10 times 4 sets
or are you the guy on the machines doing minimal weights and trying to work up a sweat?
What are your stats, age,bf,weight,

[innerg]

How long have you been working out? Are you like an avid gym rat throwing up 225 on the bench 10 times 4 sets
or are you the guy on the machines doing minimal weights and trying to work up a sweat?
What are your stats, age,bf,weight,

I'm not pushing 225 x4 but 10x2 right now yes.

Hitting the gym 6 days a week for the last 2 months and before that 2 months ( surgery in between)

31 age
6,1 tall
260 pounds
25% ( or less bf)
Diet is really Clean paying a diet guy weekly and eat clean for sure. ( dropping about 1% a week )

[Razor]

Yes you are way overweight,
But sounds like you are on the right track
So total you been working out 4 months of your life?

[innerg]

Haha no. Hit it hard in my early 20s and did a few really dumb cycles. Messed my self up. N

Did not know back then how to get the info like this.

1 have about 197 pounds of lean mass. The and 60 pounds of FAT!!!!

[Razor]

Blood work X3! Do you have any idea what your lvls are? If you got gyno, your lvls where wacked out
When you messed yourself up, shortly after did you get gyno without a proper pct, that is a certainty
You have a lot to read, and we cant explain it all to you. Here is the #1 thing you need to read.
197lbs of lean mass is not a certainty you have bones, organs, tendons, cartlidge, blood weight and a million other things that make up your body weight.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...e#.TyJV5W9SSeY

[innerg]

Blood work X3!
When you messed yourself up, shortly after did you get gyno without a proper pct, that is a certainty

For sure. I posted about it before. Deca NO PCT ever. # epic fail.

Now I'm on 200 MG of test a week.
And
1.5 iu hgh a night.

[Razor]

Can you see your testicles?
It sounds like you are on HRT
There are ways to fix you up but more info is needed, repost your blood work.
Get some HCG, Clomid and Nova and we will figure out the rest
I take it you have script for GH?

[innerg]

Blood work X3! Do you have any idea what your lvls are? If you got gyno, your lvls where wacked out
When you messed yourself up, shortly after did you get gyno without a proper pct, that is a certainty
You have a lot to read, and we cant explain it all to you. Here is the #1 thing you need to read.
197lbs of lean mass is not a certainty you have bones, organs, tendons, cartlidge, blood weight and a million other things that make up your body weight.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...e#.TyJV5W9SSeY

No no bones or organs at all actually. LOL ya of course all that in that number.

Free test Was 11.9 pl last month.

[innerg]

Can you see your testicles?
It sounds like you are on HRT

Actually yes Balls are pretty dang big. No lie. And yes I am trying TRT right now.

[Razor]

Well thats cause your on HRT. Are you getting your GH and test from a doc?

[Razor]

Actually yes Balls are pretty dang big. No lie. And yes I am trying TRT right now.

Ok well thats a plus!!! Happy to hear that.
Do you feel you need to stay on the test?

[innerg]

Ok well thats a plus!!! Happy to hear that.
Do you feel you need to stay on the test?

So balls were big before the TRT but I was feeling like crap. Like I said free test was 11.9 pl
Test from a doc yes
HGH all on my own.

[innerg]

I do intend to blast while on TRT that's why I want to get my BF low. So I can do a cycle the right way. And PCT

[Razor]

No, with BF% that high many things can go wrong. Weather you get gyno or not, there is such a thing as estrogenic fat.
You have to much fat to do any good. If you really want to speed things up, spend more money on GH and take 4-5 ius a day and
really focus on your diet, stay away from roids and clen.

[27300man]

This guy did a great job in this thread. I think he mentioned the use of clen. Check it out:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.TyJtlphuHzI

[Gym_]

If i had it i would take it ... this is me thou