Test Prop and Winny questions

[Sfla80]

Stats:

32yo
5-9
182#
Bf 13-14%
Training: 5 years. 4 years with a diet
Cycle Exp: 3 cycles. Test/deca, Test/dbol, Test/deca/anavar Last one was finished March 2nd 2011

So im thinking about next cycle. With no experience with two new parts of my cycle so looking for a couple easy question i believe. So here is what i can get, and what im thinking about doing.

Test prop 200mg: .75cc (150mg) Eod. wks 1-12 (3 vials)
Winny 50mg: 1cc (50mg) eod wks 8-12 (2 vials)
Hcg: Read many differnet things. But im thinking 500ius twice a week (2 vials)

Pct:
Nolva 40/20/20/20 one week after last pin
Clomid 100/50/50/50 one week after last pin

So couple easy questions:

1. Since there will be a lot of pinning especially when i add the winny, can i mix the test and winny in one pin? I know i can with something like deca/test, but im confused since winny is a water based not sure if it can be mixed or not.

2. This is a cut cycle, and thats why im adding the winny. Ready a lot on winny, but never really see if it will add strength and muscle along with drying you out?

3. HCG which i know te purpose and how to use it. My last cycle i should have used it but never had a problem with recovery before. Last cycle took me 3 months to recover fully though. So now im scared of doing anything without it. But from what i have read HCG is normally used for prolonged cycles and heavy cycles. So the question is should it be used on this cycle?

4. Another hcg question is i have read u have to becareful about over doseing with hcg. What would be signs of that? gyno?

5. Do i need amridex with this cycle? I usually use l-dex but was going to switch if i need it.

Thanks for the help. If i should like an idiot sorry but thats why i am here. Nothing here is set in stone. I just know that this is avaaiable to me, and would liek to get everything settled before i start.

[neversurrendr]

Stats:

32yo
5-9
182#
Bf 13-14%
Training: 5 years. 4 years with a diet
Cycle Exp: 3 cycles. Test/deca, Test/dbol, Test/deca/anavar Last one was finished March 2nd 2011

So im thinking about next cycle. With no experience with two new parts of my cycle so looking for a couple easy question i believe. So here is what i can get, and what im thinking about doing.

Test prop 200mg: .75cc (150mg) Eod. wks 1-12 (3 vials)
Winny 50mg: 1cc (50mg) eod wks 8-12 (2 vials)
Hcg: Read many differnet things. But im thinking 500ius twice a week (2 vials)

Pct:
Nolva 40/20/20/20 one week after last pin
Clomid 100/50/50/50 one week after last pin

So couple easy questions:

1. Since there will be a lot of pinning especially when i add the winny, can i mix the test and winny in one pin? I know i can with something like deca/test, but im confused since winny is a water based not sure if it can be mixed or not.

2. This is a cut cycle, and thats why im adding the winny. Ready a lot on winny, but never really see if it will add strength and muscle along with drying you out?

3. HCG which i know te purpose and how to use it. My last cycle i should have used it but never had a problem with recovery before. Last cycle took me 3 months to recover fully though. So now im scared of doing anything without it. But from what i have read HCG is normally used for prolonged cycles and heavy cycles. So the question is should it be used on this cycle?

4. Another hcg question is i have read u have to becareful about over doseing with hcg. What would be signs of that? gyno?

5. Do i need amridex with this cycle? I usually use l-dex but was going to switch if i need it.

Thanks for the help. If i should like an idiot sorry but thats why i am here. Nothing here is set in stone. I just know that this is avaaiable to me, and would liek to get everything settled before i start.

1) Yes, you can mix the winny

2) Winny is fairly weak, I would not count on strength or muscle gains from it. Obviously your test will give you some gains in the area though.

3) HCG is always a good idea, even on a short cycle.

4) I haven't heard of anyone overdosing on HCG or "doing too much of it".

5) Arimidex is a good idea and highly effective.

Regardless of the length of your cycles, always a good idea for PCT like this. The way you get away from long term negative effects is to constantly reset your body (PCT) and never do a cycle long enough to permanently damage you. This may slightly slow your growth but it'll also prevent you from some super bad side effects.

All of this is of course just my opinion. Look forward to other opinions. Good luck!

[gearbox]

agree with above...but I got good strength increase on 50mg of winny but had to drop off due to joint pains and will never take again..haha
hcg is always good...but yes it is used more with things like deca and others that totally shut your system down..

[Sfla80]

Thanks for the responses. I will take an ai. And HCG is good at 500ius twice a week or 1000ius once a week?

[t-gunz]

250ui x 2 would be better mate

have you ran that 200mg test prop before? i assume itd be pretty painful ?lol

[chi]

1. winnny can be mixed though it is water. We all know water and oil doesn't truly mix but it can be pinned same time. Get ready for some pain though! Winny shots are painful and so is prop depending where and who made it.

2.Winny is not necessarily a cutting agent but prop is a good cutting test. I have will use winny for strength.

3.Use of hcg on every cycle is smart practice

4.I don't believe you can overdos on hcg but you can become desensitized to it from overuse

5. I would not use a-dex on a cycle unless needed or gyno prone. I would aromisin aka exemstane at 10mgs a day to control sides and aid in recovery. I personally use it eod at 12.5mgs

6.Hcg should be ran 250 iu's 2x weekly from start to finish.


edit* grammar

should pin prop 75mgs or 100mgs a day and tgunz is right look at #1

[Sfla80]

Yeah I know it's gonna be painful. That's my one down side. Never taken prop of winny. Only test e so far.

Going to take all advice too.

Thanks guys

[t-gunz]

lol enjoy the prop then sir

keep us updated

[Sfla80]

Ok instead of starting a new thread with more questions I'm just gonna post it on here since all info is here.

Got my gear few weeks ago and just got my HCG. So everything is in order now. Read the thread on how to mix the h g with bac water I think it's called from ar-r.

I have two question more really.

I'm planning on rotating spots for Pinning. Day 1 right glute, day 3 left glute, day 5 left delt, day 7 right delt. Seems like a good plan while pinning .8cc of prop. But when time comes to add the winny it will bring it a total of 1.8 cc in each pin. Isn't that too much for delt pins? I remember reading before should only go 1-1.5cc in delta?

Second question is with HCG. Watched many videos on pinning. But it's all for "the HCG diet" so just wanna make sure it's the same way for my needs? Fat in the stomach to the left or right of belly button?

Actually one more question. Is 12 wks prop too much? Should I drop to 8-10?

Thanks for the help

[Sfla80]

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[Bossman]

Ok instead of starting a new thread with more questions I'm just gonna post it on here since all info is here.

Got my gear few weeks ago and just got my HCG. So everything is in order now. Read the thread on how to mix the h g with bac water I think it's called from ar-r.

I have two question more really.

I'm planning on rotating spots for Pinning. Day 1 right glute, day 3 left glute, day 5 left delt, day 7 right delt. Seems like a good plan while pinning .8cc of prop. But when time comes to add the winny it will bring it a total of 1.8 cc in each pin. Isn't that too much for delt pins? I remember reading before should only go 1-1.5cc in delta?

I inject 3 cc's in my delts. You can handle 1.8 no problem.


Second question is with HCG. Watched many videos on pinning. But it's all for "the HCG diet" so just wanna make sure it's the same way for my needs? Fat in the stomach to the left or right of belly button?

That's correct. Don't over think this, you really can't f it up. I shoot it IM as well, anywhere.

Actually one more question. Is 12 wks prop too much? Should I drop to 8-10?

I love prop and run it on all cycles at any length. No long esthers for me. Prop, NPP, Tren A, etc. No problem running for 12 weeks, except if you don't like pinning.

I also pin ED to keep my levels more stable, and if you're shooting much, it's necessary.

Thanks for the help

Final note: Drink the winny. I've never made it more then a week shooting winny ED. Every spot was too sore for injection next go around. Some can handle it, but few from what I see. The 200 prop will be more then enough to remind you that cycling can be and is painful!

[Sfla80]

I've heard u can drink the winny but not suggested to do so. But I will give it a go.

[Sfla80]

again jsut gonna keep this thread going since all the info is alread here. So just have a couple easy questions and updates.

I am pinning eod like above states. Delts and glutes so far, about to add quads after i watch a couple videos on it. i have pinned these 4 sites 3 times each so far. This is not about the pain but just curious. It is weird how the sites react differently. Right glute never gets pain as well as right delt...well less then others. Left side feel like im gonna die lol. The thing is always takes about 12-16 hours after pinning for pain to come. Lasts for a couple days then gone.

But one question is, i pinned right delt on saturday and from the moment it went in, my muscle started twiching uncontroably. never seen anything like it. I do have previous cycles under my belt and never happen before. Something i should be worried about? i asperated and no blood. Maybe hit a nerve?

second question is about the hcg mixing. I have 2 30ml bottles of water. 4 10ml empty vials. I have 2 10000 hcg. I have watched all the videos and know what to do, but all the videos are for 5000 or 1500. so my question is can i just draw out 10ml water out of the 30ml vial....and then just add my 1ml of water/hcg mixture into that? if i can not do that i will have to draw out 1ml of the mixture and split .5ml into each 10ml vial. Hope that makes sence to someone. and i havent found anything about how long it takes to start working. Im going to start tonight. And how do i know i did it right lol?

Just figured more questions the better. sorry if im being redundant about this hcg. Again thanks for the help