Gyno without Soreness or Pain?

[unfedpuppy]

Hello,

First off I did use the forum search, but didn't see anything about gyno without pain.

Is it possible to begin to get Gyno without any pain or soreness?
Running a 10 week cycle, currently on week 9.
Week 1-4 20mg dbol ED
Week 1-10 500mg Test E EW

No pain or soreness, just a little puffy and it feels like around my nipple it has a fat deposit or something.
I'm at around 195lbs with 8% BF, but when I flex my chest it just feels like theres a bit of fat or soft material under the skin that doesn't belong.

Is this temporary due to being near the end of my cycle?
I'll be taking clomid for PCT but I do have nolva on hand if needed. I always thought there would be some pain or obvious puffyness that anyone could see, you would have to pinch mine to tell.

Also this is my second cycle, first cycle was the same thing minus the dbol.

Thanks!

[BBrian]

Yes, it certainly is possible. You really need to get some Nolvadex to combine with Clomid for your PCT, especially seeing that you have developed a little gyno. If you don't have a source, just order it from AR-R at the top-right.

[unfedpuppy]

Thanks for the reply Brian.
I do have nolvadex on hand.
You think I should run it with my PCT?
Is it advised to always run that with PCT? I usually stick with clomid.

My normal PCT is a VERY simple 4 week cycle of clomid.
Week 1-2 50mg ED
Week 3-4 25mg ED.

What do you normally run?
Most research I've done most people say nolva isn't necessary when just doing Test or Test/DBol cycle, but you think it will help with start of gyno?

[xelnaga]

Yes, it certainly is possible. You really need to get some Nolvadex to combine with Clomid for your PCT, especially seeing that you have developed a little gyno. If you don't have a source, just order it from AR-R at the top-right.

Why do you believe its possible? Purely a question, not meant to call you out. This question is on a few other forums, but it has never been settled. Most guys find out they have water retention rather than gyno, or are being paranoid all together. Thanks.

[unfedpuppy]

Why do you believe its possible? Purely a question, not meant to call you out. This question is on a few other forums, but it has never been settled. Most guys find out they have water retention rather than gyno, or are being paranoid all together. Thanks.

Thank for your reply.
Other people have also said that if it's not painful or sore, it's 99% of the time just going to go away once PCT begins or after your hormone levels calm down after the cycle.
Could just be broscience but I've seen people say that it's not actually attaching/creating new tissue unles it's sore or painful.

[BBrian]

Thanks for the reply Brian.
I do have nolvadex on hand.
You think I should run it with my PCT?
Is it advised to always run that with PCT? I usually stick with clomid.

My normal PCT is a VERY simple 4 week cycle of clomid.
Week 1-2 50mg ED
Week 3-4 25mg ED.

What do you normally run?
Most research I've done most people say nolva isn't necessary when just doing Test or Test/DBol cycle, but you think it will help with start of gyno?

If you've had success with running Clomid by itself, this is obviously a good thing, but Nolvadex in conjunction with Clomid will only serve to unatrophy your gonads more efficiently, not to mention that this is what most experienced users run, and the fact that Nolvadex seems to be one of the most effective SERMs in regards to combating gyno and is often even used in conjuction with an AI such as Arimidex on-cycle when the AI alone isn't getting the job done.

A basic guideline to follow with Nolvadex and Clomid is as follows;
Nolvadex: 40mg every day weeks 1-2, 20mg every day weeks 3-4
Clomid: 50mg every day weeks 1-2, 25mg every day weeks 3-4

You will see people recommending different amounts, sometimes less and usually a little more, but again this is a basic guideline.

[BBrian]

Why do you believe its possible? Purely a question, not meant to call you out. This question is on a few other forums, but it has never been settled. Most guys find out they have water retention rather than gyno, or are being paranoid all together. Thanks.

Hey no problem man, I wouldn't post an opinion or make a statement unless I was able to back it up. I believe it's possible because I have experienced this a few times myself. When I get bloating I temporarily increase my dosage of Arimidex. When I see that my bloating has subsided but that the area around my nipples hasn't gone down any, it's very obviously gynecomastia, at least that's what logic tells me. But when I finish PCT with Nolvadex, the swelling around my nipples subsides.