Equipoise question

[Zaf21]

hey guys ive read the steroid profile of equipoise and was thinking of using it in my next cycle, stacking it with test cyp or enanthate and maybe d-bol, hoping someone who has used this compound could give me some pros and cons, sides or results and if its worth using, dosages etc
30 years old
8 years training
13% body fat
6ft
will be using aromasin on cycle, hcg on cycle, nolva and clomid for pct

[The Bear 79]

[Zaf21]

that helped answering all my questions......

[The Bear 79]

No its not worth using. It builds NO muscle & wut it does do (increase ur stamina / endurance) it doesn't even do well enuf 2 warrant spend even a dime on it. Its worthless. FYI, people that say "I got good gains from Eq." r confused, the results they c r from the Test. & they're attributing them 2 the Eq.

[Zaf21]

thanks bear, i want something to stack with test, but dont like deca, only due to detection time, any thoughts

[The Bear 79]

I don't kno much about detection times cuz I don't worry bout them, so I don't research them. Some1 that does kno, will b along shortly I'm sure. How much do u weigh?

[The Bear 79]

Y not just run a short ester Test. only cycle?

[gixxerboy1]

well depending on what your stats are and goals it would be easier to recommend what to take

[Zaf21]

90 kgs, i want to drop a bit of bf and put on some lean muscle. was also thinking a prop d bol cycle

[The Bear 79]

well depending on what your stats are and goals it would be easier to recommend what to take

30 years old
8 years training
13% body fat
6ft

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[Zaf21]

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[felk87]

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I hear sp many mix feelings about eq...personally i've seen my buddy get amazing results stacking it with test p...thats what he recommended for my 1st cycle but i got good advise from people here so i would listen to the vets as they ate experience and no what advice to give....as far as for eq it will deff be in my second cycle.

[RA]

Better to just stick with prop your first cycle anyway...

[The Bear 79]

I dont think this is his 1st cycle bro. The 1st post states "next cycle". But either way, I wouldn't use Eq. if was free.

[The Bear 79]

I hear sp many mix feelings about eq...personally i've seen my buddy get amazing results stacking it with test p...thats what he recommended for my 1st cycle but i got good advise from people here so i would listen to the vets as they ate experience and no what advice to give....as far as for eq it will deff be in my second cycle.

The results were from the Test. P. NOT the Eq.

[Black]

Eq would be useful if it was free and I had some ugl stuff with a high BA content and need to cut it with the eq to lessen the sting. That's even a far reach.

I've ran it once @ 600mg/week for 14 weeks. Only noticed some muscle endurance, which was a nice addition. I literally never felt like leaving the gym. However, it's not worth the $.

Also, if you are concerned with detection times, I believe eq is right up there with deca.

[Sly_theCat]

It's good stuff. Just cycle it for atleast 14weeks plus. I've had experience with it. Like I said good stuff. Good quality gains that stay un-like Deca. No it wont get you beefy as Deca but you get quality/lean muscle, that stays with ya. I did same cycle but used Sustanon250.

[BBrian]

As you see equipoise is about as popular with the veterans as is taking winny on a bulking cycle. One unique characteristic of eq, though, is its ability to increase appetite. But unless you just have some odd issue with being able to eat enough, and considering the typical cost of this stuff, it just isn't worth bothering with. In fact if appetite is an issue, Anadrol does a much better job of increasing that, although you wouldn't want to run Anadrol throughout the length of your cycle - I've never used Dianobol but I presume it increases appetite as well, given its similarity to Anadrol. Why am I still on the subject of appetite anyway? I've used equipoise once and was dissatisfied with its ability to help gain mass, and the friend I obtained it from expressed the same feeling. Are you worried about being tested? The test cypionate or enanthate have esters close in half life to that of nandralone decanoate, so I'm not sure why you would be worried about running one and not the other.

[markdbg]

i LOVE eq. im hungry all day, i have to step away from the table or i keep eating, i just ate 4 chicken breasts and a cup of brown rice and im hungry again, ITS ONLY BEEN 30 mins!. i love eq as i like being vascular, my veins look like there trying to escape from my body.

lots of ppl dont like it on this forum altho. some just dont like it cause it does not build much muscle on its own, i see it as it enhances everything that leads to building muscle tho. more food=the bigger u get, the harder u work out=the bigger and leaner u get.

and bbrian, anadrol and dbol do not increase appite. esp not for me, i hold so much water and it bloats me up so much i can hardly eat at all.

[redz]

lots of ppl dont like it on this forum altho. some just dont like it cause it does not build much muscle on its own, i see it as it enhances everything that leads to building muscle tho. more food=the bigger u get, the harder u work out=the bigger and leaner u get.

This statement is almost completely wrong, first off I can eat all the time with or without EQ. I can destroy weights no differently while on EQ, either you know how to workout or you dont. It is that simple amd the same goes for eating.

[MR10X]

Eq would be useful if it was free and I had some ugl stuff with a high BA content and need to cut it with the eq to lessen the sting. That's even a far reach.

I've ran it once @ 600mg/week for 14 weeks. Only noticed some muscle endurance, which was a nice addition. I literally never felt like leaving the gym. However, it's not worth the $.

Also, if you are concerned with detection times, I believe eq is right up there with deca.

Did you use some test with it.

[BBrian]

Hey markdbg, good comments on eq. Although I must say that at 50mg of Anadrol ed and 0.5-1mg Arimidex ed, I haven't had any problems with bloating whatsoever. My appetite, on the other hand, has never been this strong as with other compounds, nowhere even close.

[The Bear 79]

It's good stuff. Just cycle it for atleast 14weeks plus. I've had experience with it. Like I said good stuff. Good quality gains that stay un-like Deca. No it wont get you beefy as Deca but you get quality/lean muscle, that stays with ya. I did same cycle but used Sustanon250.

And ur gains were from the Sust., not the Eq.

[The Bear 79]

This statement is almost completely wrong, first off I can eat all the time with or without EQ. I can destroy weights no differently while on EQ, either you know how to workout or you dont. It is that simple amd the same goes for eating.

Well put. Eq. never did a dam thing 4 my appetite either. And certainly never did anything 4 me in the gym.

[felk87]

all i have to say is, remember we are all different and out body reacts different, so maybe for those with a good experience reacted better than other. like i said my buddy was on his 2nd cycle and he put on 17lbs by he end of the test p and eq and kept 13lbs.

[The Bear 79]

all i have to say is, remember we are all different and out body reacts different, so maybe for those with a good experience reacted better than other. like i said my buddy was on his 2nd cycle and he put on 17lbs by he end of the test p and eq and kept 13lbs.

Wut definitive factor proves 2 u or him, that the results were from the Eq. & not the Test.?

[Black]

all i have to say is, remember we are all different and out body reacts different, so maybe for those with a good experience reacted better than other. like i said my buddy was on his 2nd cycle and he put on 17lbs by he end of the test p and eq and kept 13lbs.

How do you know whether it was the test or eq?

[Black]

Did you use some test with it.

I am on TRT, so whenever I cycle, I just add other compounds and leave the test @ my TRT dose (160mg/week).

I do this for a couple reasons. It helps me distinguish what compounds do what for
me. My TRT dose keeps me from being shut down, obviously.

I used to ramp up the test in past cycles. However, I began to notice that the gains weren't as significant as the increased sides were at high doses (600mg was the highest I went).

[felk87]

Wut definitive factor proves 2 u or him, that the results were from the Eq. & not the Test.?

bc his first cycle was test p alone and he gained more pounds but after pct lost more than half and kept. man he swears it was a huge help to him, made him train harder, eat alot more, even when he got tested for lipids, his overall were better than when he did the first cycle. he was able to stay fairly lean and not much bloated. thats what factors tell me it workds, just because it doesnt work for you does not mean it wont work for the next guy. he ran the test p at 600 and the eq at 700mg per week.

[The Bear 79]

The gains u keep hav nothing 2 do with the compounds u use. Sorry but I'm chalkin this 1 up 2 another person attributing Test. gains 2 Eq.

[felk87]

The gains u keep hav nothing 2 do with the compounds u use. Sorry but I'm chalkin this 1 up 2 another person attributing Test. gains 2 Eq.

wait what, are you seriously saying that no matter what compound you use, and the gains you keep have nothing to do with the compound? than do you care to please explain what does. and i mean if you do the exact same thing while you did your first cycle, and then did the same pct and diet, cardio, work out, and then you do the same the second cycle but you keep more gains at the end because you ran two compounds instead of one. what would contribute to keeping the gains in the second cycle and not as much on the first?

[The Bear 79]

We just went thru this in another thread over the last few days. The gains u retain r directly related 2 ur diet & training, not how many compounds u use or how hi the doses of those compounds r. If that were the case, every1 would be using every available compound they could get their hands on @ insanely hi doses. I kno ur saying everything was identical in both cycles (except the compounds) but honestly, I think ur just saying that to suit ur cause.............any1 with real exp can tell u, something was dif. Again................"The gains u keep hav nothing 2 do with the compounds u use."

[FireGuy]

GH can effect the gains you keep.

[The Bear 79]

GH can effect the gains you keep.

Yes. 4got about that.

[felk87]

We just went thru this in another thread over the last few days. The gains u retain r directly related 2 ur diet & training, not how many compounds u use or how hi the doses of those compounds r. If that were the case, every1 would be using every available compound they could get their hands on @ insanely hi doses. I kno ur saying everything was identical in both cycles (except the compounds) but honestly, I think ur just saying that to suit ur cause.............any1 with real exp can tell u, something was dif. Again................"The gains u keep hav nothing 2 do with the compounds u use."

i'm not sure if you read what i posted, but i included diet, cardio, work out routine. so if you do the same all year around and you get better results when you run two compounds than when you run one. that to me tells me that the two compounds in this case test p and eq work well and show that his second cycle was better than his first because his test showed it, and his results showed better gains after pct. all this come down to, i am not wanting to debate or argue, but i just wanted to tell the op that i was planing on using eq, because i saw results on my friend, and he swear by the eq helped a lot. whether you think i a waste of money just like many other people do too, its ok i can spare a few $$ to try something i believe in.

[gixxerboy1]

felk you said he gained more the first cycle then the 2nd. But he kept more of the smaller gains on the second?
gains arent easier or harder to keep from one chemical then another.
you said he used the same diet. Well right there is an issue. He shouldnt be using the same diet. You need to keep increasing your diet if your trying to gain

[The Bear 79]

i'm not sure if you read what i posted, but i included diet, cardio, work out routine. so if you do the same all year around and you get better results when you run two compounds than when you run one. that to me tells me that the two compounds in this case test p and eq work well and show that his second cycle was better than his first because his test showed it, and his results showed better gains after pct. all this come down to, i am not wanting to debate or argue, but i just wanted to tell the op that i was planing on using eq, because i saw results on my friend, and he swear by the eq helped a lot. whether you think i a waste of money just like many other people do too, its ok i can spare a few $$ to try something i believe in.

I don't think u read / understood wut I posted..............I acknowledged & commented on every part of ur post. This is going in circles, I'm outa this 1 gents.

[felk87]

Ok. ...

[yannick35]

I have been using EQ for 6 weeks now i don't want to gain mass or cut i want to repair my body, ligament laxity, so far i tend to agree with everyone here, i am not impressed at all.

[Hazard]

hey guys ive read the steroid profile of equipoise and was thinking of using it in my next cycle, stacking it with test cyp or enanthate and maybe d-bol, hoping someone who has used this compound could give me some pros and cons, sides or results and if its worth using, dosages etc
30 years old
8 years training
13% body fat
6ft
will be using aromasin on cycle, hcg on cycle, nolva and clomid for pct

I personally wouldn't waste my money on EQ.... but it's your money and if you want to try it.... go ahead. I'mt elling you right now tho..... EQ DOES NOT build muscle mass. I'm pretty damned experienced with aas compounds and i've got a ton of experience with just test. I ran 1000mg/wk of EQ for 14+ weeks and didn't see SHIT.....

Maybe you'll be the 1 in 1,000 that have a posotive experience though. Let us know....

No its not worth using. It builds NO muscle & wut it does do (increase ur stamina / endurance) it doesn't even do well enuf 2 warrant spend even a dime on it. Its worthless. FYI, people that say "I got good gains from Eq." r confused, the results they c r from the Test. & they're attributing them 2 the Eq.

^^^^ This

thanks bear, i want something to stack with test, but dont like deca, only due to detection time, any thoughts

EQ's Detection time is 9-12 months if I remember correctly.....

It's good stuff. Just cycle it for atleast 14weeks plus. I've had experience with it. Like I said good stuff. Good quality gains that stay un-like Deca. No it wont get you beefy as Deca but you get quality/lean muscle, that stays with ya. I did same cycle but used Sustanon250.

This statement is just assinine. Gains don't "stay" because of the compound you ue. YES deca can cause water retention and you'll lose that water weight when you come off it but water weight is also beneficial in it's own respect..... especially when lifting heavy. What determines the weight you maintain post cycle is your diet, genetics, and pct.

This statement is almost completely wrong, first off I can eat all the time with or without EQ. I can destroy weights no differently while on EQ, either you know how to workout or you dont. It is that simple amd the same goes for eating.

^^^^ same for me

I have been using EQ for 6 weeks now i don't want to gain mass or cut i want to repair my body, ligament laxity, so far i tend to agree with everyone here, i am not impressed at all.

Can you post a study that says EQ helps with ligament laxity? Just curious because the only study I found regarding EQ and tendons/ligaments said that EQ increases collagen sythesis..... however it doesn't increase the crosslinking connectivity which would make those new fibers stronger and not brittle. EQ is alot like winny in the sense that you may be more susceptible to tearing new fibres.

~Haz~