2nd cycle ten years later

[Partyhunta]

In my early twenties i was well into bodybuilding, trained for 5 years got a good foundation before taking a small cycle of dbol sus and deca which i reacted really well to but never really researched pct and ways to keep the gains, so i lost prob half of what i had gained un naturally, then over the next 6 years i stopped training due to work and other commitments not letting me give it my all. Now i've been back training for just over 12 months and seem to be hitting my plateu already so was considering taking another cycle of juice, i have read extensively in the 6 years i didnt train and have excellent knowledge of nutrition and diet and know now what works and doesnt as far as my training routine goes, i have waited till now as its took me the last 3 months to get my diet right.One thing im worried about is my cholestrol as i recently had my bodyfat measured at 28 percent which came as a shock as i do weights 3x a week and cardio 2x. I have managed to reduce it to 22 percent over the last 3 weeks by reducing my carbs drastically but feel like shit at the same time and strength has suffered, i read that sustanon makes good cholestrol come down and bad cholestrol go up? would it be a good idea to reduce my bodyfat some more before i start my course or am i totally wrong in thinking bodyfat has a direct link to cholestrol?Was thinking of maybe goin the docs and getting some bloods done to be sure, a cholestrol check and maybe have my test measured before i start??Do i have to pay for this at my GP's?
Also can anyone give me advice on what im planning on taking, im 33 yrs old, 5 10, 230 lbs, 22 percent bf which is mainly round my waist, i intend on taking 250mg sustanon every 4th day , i have 20ml of sustanon so should go a little over 10 weeks, last time i took gear i never used nolva or any anti e but didnt have any probs so im guessing this time round i shouldnt either but have access to nolva clomid and proviron which i know im going to need for my pct,am i right in thinking i just use the proviron for libido loss but the other two are used together to get everything working again and are a must following the cycle? what dose of these should i be taking witha cycle like this? Would it be a good idea to kick start the first 3 weeks with a few dbol a day, i remember doing this with my first cyle? Any help much appreciated, thanks in advance.

[Partyhunta]

[arico]

correct me if im wrong but running sus250 at 250mg a day is to low, basically why bother shutting ur body down with such a low dose. I would say 500mg max. Split between 2 shots during the week. And again i researched and found mixed reviews but i would get ur bodyfat down to 14-17% until you run a cycle. Something to do with fat linked with estrogen levels. Although thats what it says on some sites theres a lot of different theorys out there. Before you start anything make sure PCT is on hand etc. Good luck

[stpete]

Head over to the Nutrition Section and post this. It's obvious that your diet's off and you need to have that ironed out before going on cycle. At least for best results. Those guys guys and ghals over there will get it all worked out w/ya.

Good Luck....

[Dukkit]

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[gixxerboy1]

yes you need to get your bf down before you start.
You will need clomid and nolva for pct
You need an ai for on cycle for many reasons. Nolva isnt an ai

[Partyhunta]

What would you suggest getting bf down to? I dont think the bf scales in the gym are very accurate so im not sure if my reading is as high as i first thought, i got a ripped up guy with abs to try them and it was saying he had 20 percent which is way off what he actually is.

You say an ai? something like arimidex? what dose of this would you advise if im doin 250mg sust every 4 th day, am i right in thinking i start taking it bout 3 weeks into the course? or should i start straight away?

Thanks.

[MickeyKnox]

I cannot read that mass of mumbo jumbo.

There is magical button, called the ENTER key.

Please use it. Before I get a headache.

try this..it's a little easier on the eyes..lol

PartyHunta:...In my early twenties i was well into bodybuilding . I trained for 5 years got a good foundation before taking a small cycle of dbol, sus, and deca, which i reacted really well to. I never really researched pct and ways to keep the gains, so i lost prob half of what i had gained unnaturally. Then over the next 6 years i stopped training due to work and other commitments.

Now i've been back training for just over 12 months and seem to be hitting my plateau already. I was considering taking another cycle of juice. I have read extensively in the 6 years i didn't train and have excellent knowledge of nutrition and diet. I know now what works and doesn't as far as my training routine goes. I have waited till now as it's taken me the last 3 months to get my diet right.

One thing im worried about is my cholesterol as i recently had my body fat measured at 28 percent. This came as a shock as i do weights 3x a week and cardio 2x. I have managed to reduce it to 22 percent over the last 3 weeks by reducing my carbs drastically. But I feel like shit at the same time and strength has suffered.

i read that sustanon makes good cholesterol come down and bad cholesterol go up? would it be a good idea to reduce my bodyfat some more before i start my course, or am i totally wrong in thinking body fat has a direct link to cholesterol? Was thinking of maybe goin the docs and getting some bloods done to be sure. Perhaps i should have a cholesterol check and maybe have my test measured before i start?? Do i have to pay for this at my GP's?

Also can anyone give me advice on what im planning on taking? im 33 yrs old, 5 10, 230 lbs, 22 percent bf which is mainly round my waist. i intend on taking 250mg sustanon every 4th day. i have 20ml of sustanon so should go a little over 10 weeks.

last time i took gear i never used nolva or any anti e but didn't have any probs, so im guessing this time round i shouldn't either. but i have access to nolva clomid and proviron which i know im going to need for my pct . am i right in thinking i just use the proviron for libido loss? are the other two are used together to get everything working again and are a must following the cycle ? what dose of these should i be taking with a cycle like this? Would it be a good idea to kick start the first 3 weeks with a few dbol a day? i remember doing this with my first cycle.

Any help much appreciated, thanks in advance.

[Partyhunta]

Thanks for that MickeyKnox

Anybody got anything useful to say?

What should i be reducing my bf to before i start a cycle?

Will it not reduce anyway when my test levels rise if my diet is clean?

[c-Z]

Running a cycle tends to increase risk of side affects at higher bf %

Definitely a great foundation bro.

[gixxerboy1]

Thanks for that MickeyKnox

Anybody got anything useful to say?

What should i be reducing my bf to before i start a cycle?

Will it not reduce anyway when my test levels rise if my diet is clean?

i would get down to 15%. At a higher bf you are risk for more side effects

[DeadlyD]

by the pic, I would say your a little lower then 22%, get you BF checked properly then post it up!

[MickeyKnox]

Hunta,

you've expressed your concerns but really haven't explained what your goals are, although it appears - lose weight, gain muscle..like most people..lol. most, if not all, of your concerns can be addressed through proper blood work.

reducing your bf is very important. as others vets have pointed out, this can have an adverse effect on you, particularly during pct. and speaking of pct, this is a standard protocol for a light to moderate AAS cycle:

PCT :
Clomid : 100/50/50/25
Nolva: 40/40/20/20

having said that, your question about which cycle to use depends largely on your experience and goals. and since your experience is limited to a compounded short cycle i would setup a standard test e with perhaps a 4wk oral kicker and run it out for at least 12 wks. yes, you could add a short ester in there near the end, but personally, i would want to know how my body reacts to test in 12 wks before doing anything else. (other than maybe an oral included) this is what i would look at:

CYCLE
1-4: Dbol 50mg/day
1-12: Test E 500mg/week
1-12: Aromasin 12.5mg EOD

and don't forget to get your diet squared away. VERY important! hit up the Nutrition and Diet section and those folks will help you fine tune your macros.

good luck and please post a thread on your progress. cheers

[Partyhunta]

Nice work Mickey

You pretty much answered everything i needed to know there, am i right in thinking test e has a ten day half life? Does this mean i wait ten days after my last shot before starting PCT?

Test e is something i had considered, would i just take the 500mg in one shot once a week?

As for blood work, will my gp do this?

thanks