Too much estrogen or too little?

[Thunderforge]

Hi,

Gotta say thanks to everyone who's been helping me along the way. Great community.

I'm on my first cycle and it's going well. It's been an experiment and still is. I've got a few questions about how I'm feeling lately. Hoping to get some insight.

1-14 Test 400 blend 2/week
1-12 Deca 250 1/week. I have just now increased this dose to 2/week looking to improve joints and add some extra mass.
1-6 Anadrol 50 2/ED

Aromasin originally at 25mg/ED until I found out that was probably too high. I was suffereing from a bit of a disconnected feeling, almost dazed. Now at 12.5/ED

PCT

17 - 21 Clomid 100/50/50/50/50
17 - 21 Nolvadex 40/20/20/20/20

I've been very happy so far. 5 weeks in and strength is way up. Increased 8 pounds on scale. I can see a difference already in the mirror. Libido is up as well, but not crazy.

I have had trouble with my shoulder recently and went on a week of Prednisone during week 4 if that's relevant. As a side note, while it didn't heal it completely, it was the first thing I've tried for my tendon issues that really made a dramatic improvement.

So, what's the question? Well in the last week I have felt odd. A bit of a disconnect again. At times tired. Flushed almost all the time, I would swear that I'm running a fever but I'm not. Just feels that way. Having a LOT of trouble sleeping and BP is up a bit 140/80. Heart rate elevated for me as well but nothing scary. 80 bpm. In short, I just don't feel great like I would expect to. I'm wondering of I may need to adjust my Aromasin but not sure if that's the case or which way to take it, up or down?

And I've become more emotional. A lot. Girlfriend's sure I'm ready to move to the next stage of our relationship.

Any thoughts?

[gearbox]

Are you running anadrol at 100mg or 50 mg per day. What is your blood pressure normally?

[Thunderforge]

Are you running anadrol at 100mg or 50 mg per day. What is your blood pressure normally?

Anadrol is 100 mg a day. 50 in the morning 50 before bed. BP normally 120/80.

[BBrian]

Anadrol is 100 mg a day. 50 in the morning 50 before bed. BP normally 120/80.

Wow, the first thing I'd say is stop taking Anadrol before bed. That is probably ruining your sleep altogether. You're taking a lot of compounds for your first cycle, first off, and you're taking too much Anadrol. I would have heavily advised against taking Anadrol right off the bad, but too late now. You should also be ramping up your Anadrol at this point in your cycle. It's heavily toxic and should not be run any longer than six weeks, and less for a new user. Anadrol is a blood pressure raising monster, and you're way over-doing it man. Have you only gained 8 pounds so far on this cycle? I hope I didn't read that right. Anadrol also aromatizes VERY heavily. I had to experiment with my Arimidex dosage quite a bit while taking Anadrol for 4.5 weeks on my current cycle before getting estrogen under control, and I still ended up with some bad acne, which at week 8 is finally drying up.

To be honest, and I don't mean to sound pessimistic, but this whole thing sounds like quite a mess. I know it's too late now, but you should have just stuck with test for your first cycle to understand how your body reacts to anabolics in the first place brother. I would seriously recommend halting the Anadrol now. From what I can tell, your estrogen levels crashed, spiked, and probably crashed again, leaving you in a hormonal nightmare. Any chances of getting bloodwork performed?

[Thunderforge]

Wow, the first thing I'd say is stop taking Anadrol before bed. That is probably ruining your sleep altogether. You're taking a lot of compounds for your first cycle, first off, and you're taking too much Anadrol. I would have heavily advised against taking Anadrol right off the bad, but too late now. You should also be ramping up your Anadrol at this point in your cycle. It's heavily toxic and should not be run any longer than six weeks, and less for a new user. Anadrol is a blood pressure raising monster, and you're way over-doing it man. Have you only gained 8 pounds so far on this cycle? I hope I didn't read that right. Anadrol also aromatizes VERY heavily. I had to experiment with my Arimidex dosage quite a bit while taking Anadrol for 4.5 weeks on my current cycle before getting estrogen under control, and I still ended up with some bad acne, which at week 8 is finally drying up.

To be honest, and I don't mean to sound pessimistic, but this whole thing sounds like quite a mess. I know it's too late now, but you should have just stuck with test for your first cycle to understand how your body reacts to anabolics in the first place brother. I would seriously recommend halting the Anadrol now. From what I can tell, your estrogen levels crashed, spiked, and probably crashed again, leaving you in a hormonal nightmare. Any chances of getting bloodwork performed?

Thanks BBrian, I'll stop it immediately. Yes, 8 pounds is all I've gained. It was difficult for me to really decide what I wanted to run. Certainly I've read the advice of the board members to go slower than I have. The problem is, I really am an outsider to all this. I'm seeking advice and knowledge from every source and it often conflicts. Why would I run Anadrol at 100mg/day? Well, because the profile for the compound says it's fine to do so on this very site, and that the gains are significantly better. Add in that one of the few people I actually know in real life who uses steroids recommended that dosage. I want to note that he helped me set up my cycle a DID say it was a big one for a first timer, but felt it would go well. Another example of the conflicting info, the profile here says "Since Anadrol is derived from DHT, it cant actually convert to estrogen (via the aromatase enzyme)", but you say,"Anadrol also aromatizes VERY heavily". I don't say that to be argumentative at all. After months here your posts along with Gixx and Gearbox and several others stand out to me as being very knowledgeable. I will follow your advice here. I say it only to point out that as a newcomer it's tough gathering all the info. I'd love to sit and just talk to someone.

After re reading the drugs profile here I do see that my gains should be much greater than they are.

From what I can tell, your estrogen levels crashed, spiked, and probably crashed again, leaving you in a hormonal nightmare.

Had to quote that again because the truth of it just made me laugh out loud when I read it. Then I started crying. Then I was mad as hell and depressed and filled with joy all at once.

As for bloodwork, my only option would be to try the online service and head to LabCorp which I can do Thursday.

Looks like my initiation into this may not go as well as it could have but it's all a learning process. Hopefully I'll still be able to salvage some quality muscle. Certainly I'm gaining quality knowledge. Even if it's the hard way.

Thanks very much for the help.

[jandj]

Please post your bw as I am curiouser to see how your hormone levels reacted to these compounds .

[JAB1]

jandj I have a question for you. Are you shooting 800mg test per week? I just switched to t400 as well, but im shooting partial cc to get 500 per week. Just wondering how your doing it

[BBrian]

Had to quote that again because the truth of it just made me laugh out loud when I read it. Then I started crying. Then I was mad as hell and depressed and filled with joy all at once.

This made me laugh out loud too. Luckily, it wasn't followed with any other emotions

If you've only gained 8 lbs with these compounds, something is seriously wrong. My first guess would be that you are fasting, but I know that's ridiculous. It must have something to do with severe estrogen control problems, far more severe than I realized. I ran 50mg of Anadrol 6 days per week for 4.5 weeks at the beginning of my current cycle. By the time I finished with the Anadrol, I had already gained around 24 pounds. And you are right and I am wrong, in a manner of speaking, where the subject of Anadrol and the aromatase enzyme is conerned. I'm currently on a bulking cycle with Test and Deca which began with 50mg of Anadrol, 6 days per week, for 4.5 weeks. The bloating and acne I experienced as a result of taking Anadrol was unlike anything I had ever experienced before. Here is a good quote on the subject;

"Contrary to what many bodybuilders expect of it (Anadrol), the drug can be mild in terms of side effects when no aromatizing steroids are present.

Nonetheless, when oxymetholone is used in a cycle yielding high estrogen levels, it is notorious for worsening apparently-estrogenic symptoms. This may be from its producing progestagenic symptoms which are easily confused as being estrogenic; from altering estrogen metabolism; by upregulating aromatase; or perhaps by increasing prolactin. The actual cause is not proven."

The full report can be found here: http://thinksteroids.com/steroid-profiles/anadrol/

Additionally, the steroid profiles on this site are a great place to begin, but they are also terribly outdated. Some of them still hold quite true, while others do not.

[jandj]

jandj I have a question for you. Are you shooting 800mg test per week? I just switched to t400 as well, but im shooting partial cc to get 500 per week. Just wondering how your doing it

I am/was using 500g a week of sustanon 250 and 200 mg of deca a week .

[JAB1]

Oh so you have sust 250 that you use twice a week. I saw test 400 blend in your op so thought you had what I have. Mine is test 400 with 400mg/ml so im shoting almost 3/4 cc twice a week. Just curious how others use 400mg/ml test. thanks

[Thunderforge]

Hey BBrian,
Just wanted to tell you that 24 hours later I feel so much better. I'm sure you were correct.

I looked into the bloodwork again and I didn't realize the cost for a total screen was over 300 dollars. I was thinking it was less. I know it's serious and I need it but it has to wait a bit now. Simply don't have the means.

I'm going to stop my Aromasin for several days then ease back into it as well. Maybe just 6 mg a day. Thank you VERY much.

[Thunderforge]

OK! For anyone interested. I did get my labs done but only ran Test and Estrodiol to see what's going on. Here's the results and I think it looks pretty positive. You guys can tell me. I will say that I feel worlds better now that I've stopped the Anadrol. I'm speculating that I may just be a victim of Test Flu as I'm new and have started a cycle that is too aggressive. Feeling so much better now though!

[BBrian]

Glad to hear it man. I hope the rest of your cycle goes a little more smooth, and make sure you ask any questions that may arise.

[Thunderforge]

I sure will. Thank you!