First cycle advice!! Test prop only

[sdog1313]

I am starting 8 weeks off test prop at 100mg eod on monday, i have anastrozole for an a.i, and clomid and nolva for pct. this is my first cycle and i am worried about gyno, i don't know if I'm prone or not so my question is:

should i use the anastrozole if i get puffy/tingly nips and puffy face? and at what dose? will that do to keep gyno at bay???

also i keep reading that can people that get gyno after a cycle? any advice will be muchly appreciated!!!!!!

[Mark5]

What are your stats? Why are you only running 8 weeks?

[sdog1313]

I'm 26 ,210lbs bout 14% bf ,1 rep max - bench 120kg dead 140kg squat 120kg ,was doing 8 weeks as read that should be enough do to fast esters???

[DamageDealer]

8 weeks is fine for prop. anastrozole should be used 0.25mg every day. this should prevent any gyno or water retention. if you feel sore nipples, up the dose to 0.5mg a day. that's about it. at that bf%, you may be a bit more prone to gyno compared to lower bf digits though

[sdog1313]

26, 210 lbs, 6foot 1, 14% bf, been training since 21, current diet is very clean - eggs and porridge then gym then protein shake and banana, then i eat tuna/chicken with 250g brown rice or sweet potato twice then steak and broccoli , and a casein shake b4 bed! on weekends i lower carbs and increase fat thru pnut butter and nuts. ill also try add in a turkey sandwich aswell at some point
i also take a multi v and lots of efa's

[DamageDealer]

those are all good food sources, but you should really know your macros and exact number of calories you're consuming. that's my approach. go to nutrition section if you have a problem with calculating everything. you'll be glad you did, and you'll also put the max amount of lean muscle from this cycle

[sdog1313]

i had the diet designed by a nutritionist and have there advice throughout the cycle for upping cals as needed, any advice on my gyno worries?

[Bonaparte]

Those lifts are pretty weak for someone your size.
What does your routine look like?
You could still make some vast improvements without using AAS unless there is some glaring medical issue I'm unaware of.

[JDBeretta]

If you don't want to take what you posted, Arimidex at .25mg/eod. Bump to .5 if needed.

If you do a proper pct, your levels should be relatively stable and gyno won't be an issue. If you start to get signs of it (tingly nipples, etc), get back on a super low dose of Arimidex.

[sdog1313]

i do a 5 day split
monday - chest - chest press 12,10,10,8 incline same dips same
tuesady - back pull ups, rows, deadlifts
wednesday - shoulders - press, wings , raises
thurs - legs - squats , stiff deadlifts, lunges
friday - arms bar curls, dumbbell curls, triceps kickback rope pull and a burnout set for each

and 30 min cardio after weights

[Bonaparte]

That looks pretty good, but I suspect you lack intensity or just never change your routine. Either way, something isn't adding up.
Would you mind posting a pic of yourself?

[sdog1313]

[Bonaparte]

You're probably more than 14% BF and nowhere near needing AAS to grow. Honestly, you look as though you step into the gym a few times a month to do some bicep curls and socialize.
Sorry, just being honest (though it probably isn't the most flattering photo, either).

[DamageDealer]

dude, you're nowhere near ready for gear. and you're higher than 14% bodyfat.

[sdog1313]

i wish i could blame my training but i train very hard sweat buckets, i have recently been taking jack3d for the added boost . i train hard and feel like I've been stuck on the same weights for a while, i haven't drunk alcohol since christmas and changed to the new routine posted above about 6 weeks ago , i feel like if i cut my strength will drop and if i bulk i will get too fat . i thought of the cycle as most threads i read people normally say their bf normally drops a bit while adding size??

[Bonaparte]

Then the issue is probably your diet.

[sdog1313]

ok my diet is to blame but i posted my new diet up which i am sticking to now, I'm not tryna be a pro , i just want some results for summer!!

[sdog1313]

wouldn't doing a low dose 350mg now and bulking for another year set me up nicely to do a 500mg cycle in a year or two? I'm looking kickstart a change to my body composition!!????

[Bonaparte]

Well yeah, but it would be best to figure out how to do it right naturally. Then if you start using AAS, you'll actually make good progress instead of taking health and legal risks to look mediocre.

[JDBeretta]

You may as well eat and train hard to get a good solid base to build more off of. When that is accomplished, just do the 500mg/week for your first cycle...

[Lil man]

Sdog, not everyone will undertand how you feel. I've busted my ass and ate pretty clean for a long ass time. I started out at 150 pounds maybe and I've peaked at 210-215 and if I posted a pic I'd get same response I'm sure. If you know that you've done all you can do naturally and are satisfied, do take advice given on how to do it right. If not, then fix what's wrong. Some people can go to gym for two years and eat right an never have the change that others will after same diet and workout regimen. Everyone is different and we don't all have the genes to be perfect. Good luck bro

[Andigity]

You are not 14% bf. I suggest that you cut down before you do decide to cycle. The higher bf% you start out with when you cycle the greater the chance for all those nasty side effects.

[sdog1313]

What would be your suggested plan then as if I cut I'm worried ill lose what I have musclewise and if I bulk my bodyfat % will go up making it harder to cut later? I dunno anymore???

[sdog1313]

What about GHRP 6? Will this help increase my appetite so I can eat more without taking the gear? And will it help me lose fat?

[bodybycookiesandcake]

ur lifts are weak, and teh reason why they are weak is probably cause you havent reset your lifts and restart your linear progression. U are not eating enough to recover from yoru lifts either. U must not be utilizing post work out nutrition

[bodybycookiesandcake]

injectable b12 for energy and appetite

[sdog1313]

Post workout. I have 50g whey 50g maltodextrin shake then a hourlater a turkey or tuna sandwich what do you suggest?

[depfife]

I started my first, second and third cycle with test. prop only...i also used anastrozole... I am 6'2" 190lb. I found .25 grams anastrozole was not enough to ward off tender nipples/acne. .5 did the trick nicely!! Plus continue .5 throughout pct. If I felt I were getting into trouble, I would do 1mg for 2 days,then return to .5 and that would fix the problem. Plus, my first cycle was 75mg/ED test. prop.(525mg/wk.) I feel 350mg/wk. for a man your size is on the low end...but you will have positive results...

[KAEW44]

i'll try to give a reply with a more posative sense that focuses more on reality of AAS use, the reality is that there is a performance/quick result addiction in the entire world of sports/athletes, therefore 99.9999% of posts asking about first cycle advice are people who are going to go through with it regardless of wether its the right or wrong time to do it. Sounds like the thread starter has his gear ready and mentally has committed to go ahead and do the cycle. so keeping this in mind i wont sit here and type a five page essay about why he shouldnt (which ofcourse i agree he shouldnt).
Let me bring out the posative light in this daily forum situatuon.
1-At least you arent 16 years old like most people asking for first cycle advice
2-You have been training for five years, so at least you arent a complete newb, you at least know the basics of how to train and to do all body parts
3-You know what foods make up a good diet, it seems like you just need to adjust your ratios and frequency of meals
4-The photo you posted although not evident of five years hardcore training/dieting, still shows you do have a some foundation to work on, infact its better than many people who have done tens of cycles, i advise you to look at the cycle results section of this forum, there are people who have done testicle-blowing cycles and still look like they never worked out in their life, so dont feel bad your not that bad man.

So buddy if you can hold off a month, i would urge u to hit up cardio super hard for a month before you start in order to start at a much lower bodyfat and hence gain more lean mass. If you choose to go ahead right now, then i would still urge you to put some hard cardio while on this cycle i promise it wont hurt your gains because the gear/good diet will hold your lean mass and still allow you to grow.

Please take many before and during pics from all angles, and ofcourse after pics, and make a blog in the cycle section so the members can help you troubleshoot during your cycle and motivate you.

[binsser]

^^^^^^^^^^ good fckin advice that very solid^^^^^^^^^^ prop would also be the best choice as well so its seems your doing your home work bud topman

[sdog1313]

i think I'm gonna take a month to get body fat down as much as i can? should i get rid of the cardio i do after weights in the morning and do a separate cardio session in the afternoon but for 45mins or hour? or is morning cardio before breakfast better ? or cardio after weights and in the afternoon?

[binsser]

cardio before breakfast m8 have a nice black coffee before you hit the gym m8 works wonders!

[sdog1313]

what fat percentage would you guess I'm at now?

[bodybycookiesandcake]

cardio before breakfast m8 have a nice black coffee before you hit the gym m8 works wonders!

this is what i do , up at 5 am, 40 mins fasted carido with s shot of espresso before. only 300 calories i burn through as i do incline walking. heart rate stays under 140 so i dont eat to much muscle.

[bodybycookiesandcake]

im gonna start taking my post work out shake to the gym and then finish my routine with 20 mins carido and slam my shake to get in teh intake window. Im a high body fat gear user so i can tell u first hand that its not as great your gains as if you were leaner.

u need to bulk up with food to recover from your lifts to make them stronger. ur form may be heaps wrong as well. As you go above 250lbs+ any small issue injury or mobility starts to shine through as compound lifts brings these to light. Drop weight back where you need to to have perfect form, and get micro plates to always be adding weight to the bar no matter what. And when i say bulk up with food 5-6k calories a day.

If you want to do this for body re comp, u need to understand diet, cardio and mostly genetics is what will make you look better. Going from power lifting to programs like ronnies sling shot or bryan's HST programs to introduce hypertrophy might be one idea to explore. If you have been busy doing 5x5 or 3x5 ur body will respond to high reps to flush latic acid and condition injured tendons and then doing reps in teh hypertrophy range , u "should" respond like a noob

incorporate squats and over press, drop deads for rack pulls and alternate with PROPER heavy shrugs, by trying to clean weight you simply can not clean. Reset your squats to 80lbs and work up every week.

[sdog1313]

I have a 5 week window to get body fat down, what body fat % would you guess I'm at and where do you think i could be in 5 weeks?

i plan on 40 min fasted cardio , 40 min weights followed by some hiit 10min and more cardio 30min 5 days a week.


would a low carb diet, only eating carbs before and after workout followed by meals of protein and healthy fat for the rest of the day and some veggies be any good , with a high carb day once or twice a week?
!
and could further explain the reset squats at 80 lbs as i normally do 4 sets of 10 at above 100kg squatting DEEP ! my form and technique is good!

[bodybycookiesandcake]

reset your squats to 80 lbs, squat 3 days a week adding 10 lbs each session for two weeks, then add 5 lbs per session and keep moving forward. If you reach a lift you cant do for perfect form, reset the weight by 20% and switch to 0.57kg micro plates increases every work out and continue again. if you stall again, repeat the last step again and carry on. On 3rd stall reset weight to 135lbs and start again 10lb jump for 2 weeks, ...

Training like this will have you squatting 200kgs long before you current training gets you there. If you work in a office or sit at a computer playing world of warcraft for 18 hours a day, u will find hip flexor issue in yoru squats as you get heavier. anything over 250lbs start using a belt at that stage. Low bar position and dont use teh smith machine, Make sure you use hip drive and not chest drive.

4 sets is a lot id rather see you do 2-3 sets and do a proper warm up with bar, then 3 reps, 2 reps and a single. the single being 20% lighter then ur working set weight for that day. no rest between teh trip, double, single warm up.

everyone says they do deep squats, people lie. Take your cam corder or camera with video to teh gym. Put a box behind you and teh camera on it and record ur squats. post the links to teh video here, post them on youtube.

[sdog1313]

that will take like 6 weeks until i get back to where i am now?? don't really understand the theory on that?

[bodybycookiesandcake]

Turn ur ego off and your brain on...

NOW LISTEN. u are reseting the weight to do a deload for your body to respond and progress further then what you are doing currently. So in 6 weeks u are back at the weight you are now, but but BUT! u will be able to push through that, and make noticeably bigger gains then what you are making now. SO dont you like teh idea of getting stronger? Im sorry to be rude but 1.) u have either lousy genetics or two you dont know how to train. U want to use gear , but u dont understand or seem to want to listen to basic working out 101

1\retard math = x % of v= 9/5

80lbs
10lbs increase for 6 work outs = 60lbs

60+80 140

15 a week x 10 weeks

=150 lbs

= 290lbs
0r 132 kgs

so yes it will take you 3 months to get to 132kgs

can u go up 32 kgs right now from ur current weight of 100kgs? YES I BET YOU COULD, but could u countinue to progress and power through it?? I DOUBT IT

so now im guess at 290lbs you will start to fail at countinue 5lbs increases, so now maybe squat twice a week with .057 kh 1.25 lb micro plates each work out and if you eat right you will hit 315 in no time, U WILL LOOK SEXY IN TEH GYM BUSTING 3 PLATES A SIDE, then u countinue to get stronger!! and the lift keeps going up..

so now in 3 months u have ssurpassed ur current lift by 32kilos, and in 4 months its gone up, and 5 months it has gone up

OR

u stay at 100 kilos, and as you add weight your form geets sloppy, u ego lift aand cause injury and you are ot of teh gym for 3-8 months no squats. and you;re already poor genetic base ur trying to add on to , goes to shit.

im justs a troll so really dont bother reeading my posts.

[bodybycookiesandcake]

just so u know, and i am shuttering at saying this, there is a 5'8 160lb cross fit instructor who is female who squats more then you and she goes way below parallel and as much as i hate cross fit, following linear progression triumphs ego lifting