Cycling steroids - is it a waste of time and money?

[Big Balta]

When you're on cycle you feel great. You look great. You get a lot of attention.

When you come off, you're depressed, you get fatter, you lose gains... slowly, but surely.

In effect, you are only living half your life. Half of the time you're on steroids, the other half you are thinking about when you will get back on them.

So what gives? Why cycle if you know you will lose your gains in a few months? And you know you will deal with depression, lack of motivation, concentration, terrible sleep, libido loss, etc.

I understand why people get on TRT (self-prescribed or not). A lot of people don't want to come off. I came across this video and this guy seems to know what he's talking about, from his experience of course:

[< <Samson> >]

Troll

[Big Balta]

Out of all the questions that get asked on here I probably posed the only one that has some real substance, yet I'm a troll. Ok bro

[logen32]

A lot of people go all out while on cycle and then comes pct and being off cycle there diet and training is no where near while on cycle so it no surprise you'll lose gains.

Secondly if you stop training and start eating 3-4 meals a day(low in protien), In other words fitness no longer plays a role in ur life(nurtition and exercise) youll lose your gains even if you attained it naturally.

[kamilo1975]

That's why you shouldn't cycle if your not willing to take the bad thing that comes along with it.

[Big Balta]

Here's one for you. Should I add some deca to kickstart my Test E 500mg/week cycle? How many weeks should I take it and should I taper off?

There now I'm not a troll, just a blind idiot doing the same thing everyone else does without asking WHY.

[Sector]

Here's one for you. Should I add some deca to kickstart my Test E 500mg/week cycle? How many weeks should I take it and should I taper off?

There now I'm not a troll, just a blind idiot doing the same thing everyone else does without asking WHY.

What makes you think this is what everyone does? Just because some of us choose to blast and cruise or are actually in need of Trt so take advantage of it, doesnt mean we are going to come out and suggest it to new users who havent even touched a steroid.

You can get somewhere using cycles, you can get further staying on. Staying on has its own risks vs rewards list that you have to consider. Nobody is going to suggest it to you, this is a decision you have to make for yourself and for many of us guys out there who REQUIRE trt, we would call anyone who chose to stay on an idiot unless they have pro potential.

[logen32]

And u must not read a lot of posts on this fourm. People are not shy to criticize a person if there diet training or stats don't seem to par.

You concluded that regardless of what one does you will lose your gains. Rephrase your question to 'what could I do to retain the muscle I gained while on cycle?' and I'm sure you would get more replies.

[< <Samson> >]

Blanket garbage like this explains nothing. I watched about a dozen videos on YouTube & they explain nothing. No facts just nonsense.

If you are looking into this as something you really want to do. You need factual information for each question you think of.

Blanket crap is a waste. Just like me stating: steroids work - wow

[Big Balta]

I asked because I wanted to understand the logic of cycling vs staying on...

[dumb_aas]

When you stay on you'll have to up your doses more and more to keep getting the same effects, which will lead to harsher sides and possibly the inability to recover once you do decide to come off.

[Sector]

When you stay on you'll have to up your doses more and more to keep getting the same effects, which will lead to harsher sides and possibly the inability to recover once you do decide to come off.

Wrong. Dont speak from inexperience.

[JDBeretta]

My cat's name is Mittens.

Steroids are good.

Steroids are bad.

Look, a dog!

Stupid farkin thread.

[Big Balta]

My cat's name is Mittens.

Steroids are good.

Steroids are bad.

Look, a dog!

Stupid farkin thread.

You sound like those retarded kids in school that think "math is stupid." Get a grip dude. I asked a real question and you don't to answer cause your ***** hurts.

[JDBeretta]

You sound like those retarded kids in school that think "math is stupid." Get a grip dude. I asked a real question and you don't to answer cause your ***** hurts.

Okay there Big Balta. You the MAN! It's not my fault you can't get your curling form down with the purple dumbbells.

Oh, and for the record, I've forgotten more about math than you know.

[Awesome_Archy]

My cat's name is Mittens.

Steroids are good.

Steroids are bad.

Look, a dog!

Stupid farkin thread.

A cat named Mittens wearing Kitten Mittens

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLq0Vouqh6o

[JDBeretta]

a cat named mittens wearing kitten mittens

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlq0vouqh6o

winning!

[< <Samson> >]

LMFAO

[Sgt. Hartman]

If I were you, and got depressed, gained a lot of fat, and lost all gains post cycle then I would never cycle again. That or I'd learn how to do a proper pct and train and eat to retain gains and not feel like shit coming off.

[JDBeretta]

If I were you, and got depressed, gained a lot of fat, and lost all gains post cycle then I would never cycle again. That or I'd learn how to do a proper pct and train and eat to retain gains and not feel like shit coming off.

^that

[duecediamonds]

Couldn't have said it better Hartman.

[< <Samson> >]

As stated - Troll

[AD]

I asked because I wanted to understand the logic of cycling vs staying on...

Are you looking for justification to be on for life? Sounds like you prefer blast and cruise forever, instead cycling on and off.

[lovbyts]

Are you looking for justification to be on for life? Sounds like you prefer blast and cruise forever, instead cycling on and off.

No he is just another idiot who is looking for someone or something to blame for his failures in life and not willing to take any personal responsibility. He may not be a troll, just not smart enough to see not everyone is like him.

If you had those problems it's because you abused aas, not used them. If you kept loosing all or most of your gains it's because your diet sucked and training sucked. Not everyone has the problems you talk about. Not everyone gets depressed, most dont. Obviously aas is not for you and the young, uneducated should not use them either but with proper education and training they can be used safely.

It seems you are expecting only the worse case scenario if you were to cycle. It's one thing to be aware of problems and another to only expect the worst. Dont lump everyone into one category; that's like saying everyone gets roid rage when it's about .01%

If you think you are going to get depress you probably will because you already have depression type tendencies. If you dont know how to eat properly you will loose your gains. I seriously doubt you are anywhere near your genetic potential especially if that's you in the video then clearly you are FAR from it. lol

[cro]

its just a testamonial.everyone is different.not everyone has an addictive personality.it took me years of planning before i cycled.i was always nervous about it.i do go through some deppresion when i pct and anxiety, but ive always had a little of both.

[Big Balta]

its just a testamonial.everyone is different.not everyone has an addictive personality.it took me years of planning before i cycled.i was always nervous about it.i do go through some deppresion when i pct and anxiety, but ive always had a little of both.

Yeah I also dealt/deal with anxiety at times. It comes and goes. I heard coming off you get a lot of anxiety. Seemed to me like blasting and cruising would be the way to go... at the right time. Like if you've already had kids and you don't care about being impotent or you just don't want to have kids in the first place. It just seems like PCT and the time inbetween cycles is such a drag that cruising at a low dose would be the way to go IF the aforementioned were considered.

Like I wouldn't want to waste my time doing a cycle and a year later I'm back to where I was before I even cycled you know?

[Far from massive]

They will give you all the information you can know about this drug. You will become, You can will literally can get a PHD on steroidism.......

Sorry thats as far as I could get trying to listen to this mook from the middle east blaming steroids for his immaturity and life problems.

[>Good Luck<]

i couldnt imagine pinning FOREVER! It's one thing when you know you have xx amount of jabs in a cycle, and then you dont with the sh!t...but i'd be depressed having to do that shit forever...

[depfife]

I guess everyone is different... I've have excellent results from aas... my first cycle, i took 10 steps forward, then 1 step back during off period... Does that sound worthwhile? YOU BET CHA!!!!! I have taken as long as 2 years off cycle... and with good routine, maintained a nice body. So..whatever dude...do what you want..

[evander87]

Well I can't speak for everyone but I can only speak from experience. After my 1st cycle I kept my gains and never felt depressed for over a year. Then I wanted more size so I cycled again and messed up my diet during PCT and lost those gains. I will say I'm leaner off cycle than on. I eat at a surplus to make gains while cycling but get lean off cycle. I don't feel like I'm only living "half my life" while I cycle. I use aas as a tool to get me to my goals. When I get there I set new goals and work towards them. I'm not a bodybuilder by any means but I used to be a fattie that lost weight naturally now I want gains quicker than nature will allow an old guy like me. Diet, exercise, and smart use of juice lets me lead a very complete life.

[Big Balta]

I guess everyone is different... I've have excellent results from aas... my first cycle, i took 10 steps forward, then 1 step back during off period... Does that sound worthwhile? YOU BET CHA!!!!! I have taken as long as 2 years off cycle... and with good routine, maintained a nice body. So..whatever dude...do what you want..

Well I can't speak for everyone but I can only speak from experience. After my 1st cycle I kept my gains and never felt depressed for over a year. Then I wanted more size so I cycled again and messed up my diet during PCT and lost those gains. I will say I'm leaner off cycle than on. I eat at a surplus to make gains while cycling but get lean off cycle. I don't feel like I'm only living "half my life" while I cycle. I use aas as a tool to get me to my goals. When I get there I set new goals and work towards them. I'm not a bodybuilder by any means but I used to be a fattie that lost weight naturally now I want gains quicker than nature will allow an old guy like me. Diet, exercise, and smart use of juice lets me lead a very complete life.

Were you guys at your genetic potential when you started? I've been training for 8 years, and training hard and consistent. I have doubts whether a cycle will benefit me. I understand that a cycle taken when one is not near their genetic potential can possibly give them an edge and faster results. My understanding is that a person's body will maintain homeostasis and revert back to its genetic capabilities when off... one way or another... hcg or no hcg, PCT or no PCT. And also, my understanding is that PCT is used to reduce the damage to HPTA but not prevent it. I don't think PCT will prevent damage. That's just from research and other testimonials.

[swm1972]

Were you guys at your genetic potential when you started? I've been training for 8 years, and training hard and consistent. I have doubts whether a cycle will benefit me. I understand that a cycle taken when one is not near their genetic potential can possibly give them an edge and faster results. My understanding is that a person's body will maintain homeostasis and revert back to its genetic capabilities when off... one way or another... hcg or no hcg, PCT or no PCT. And also, my understanding is that PCT is used to reduce the damage to HPTA but not prevent it. I don't think PCT will prevent damage. That's just from research and other testimonials.

This is a great question. Because a person at their natural genetic limit will ALWAYS lose their gains when they come off. Pct will help maintain then for a period of time but eventually you are going to drop back to your generic limit. A guy that says he gained 20lbs and kept 15 didn't need to use steroids to gain those 15lbs. Doing steroids just made the gains come faster.

[JDBeretta]

"I don't think PCT will prevent damage".

Personally, I just like the name Nolvadex. Sounds exotic and sexy. And "Clomid" sounds mysterious and intriguing. And I saw HCG in some awesome graffiti letters on a wall once.

[Big Balta]

Ok, so you think that PCT solves all problems? Then why is it that the majority of those who cycle, like many on this board, are on TRT for life?

... waiting for another wise-ass comment from someone not so wise, but definitely an ass

[JDBeretta]

No. I actually know PCT does not. But it majorly mitigates risk.

And a lot of guys on TRT are on so because they made mistakes or started cycling before the vast amount of knowledge that is available now was out.

[minitourwvu]

When you're on cycle you feel great. You look great. You get a lot of attention.

When you come off, you're depressed, you get fatter, you lose gains... slowly, but surely.

In effect, you are only living half your life. Half of the time you're on steroids, the other half you are thinking about when you will get back on them.

So what gives? Why cycle if you know you will lose your gains in a few months? And you know you will deal with depression, lack of motivation, concentration, terrible sleep, libido loss, etc.

I understand why people get on TRT (self-prescribed or not). A lot of people don't want to come off. I came across this video and this guy seems to know what he's talking about, from his experience of course:

YouTube Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch2UEHKURlY

Have you ever cycled in your life? This doesnt happen to everyone but the ones that dont know how to train, eat, and sleep so you will fall in this category. The biggest mistake most people make is cycling while not being anywhere near ready to cycle, so more than likely you will also be in there. Experience and years of training will help keep gains for longer. Pct is not what ppl say it is it hits some hard maybe, but a lot have no problem with pct...just man up.

[Big Balta]

No, I never cycled yet. I did mess around with some Testim cream a while back and it kind of ****ed me up cause I didn't have any PCT or anything and then I lost my libido and broke up with my girl. I've been training for almost 10 years though and my diet is on point, as well as my training. I have pretty much hit my genetic potential as I'm 215 lbs at 10% (approx). I'd like to be 230 at 10% if possible. Don't know if steroids will do it for me. I'm 26 btw.

[< <Samson> >]

Word, you come on here talking shit without experience. Hmmmmmm

[Big Balta]

I tried to make peace with you in the other thread. I'm not on here to start shit. I'm asking a serious question. If you don't like, you don't have to answer it. Anways, good luck on your cycle. I hope you keep the most of your gains and then come tell me how you did it so that I may copy!

[< <Samson> >]

I hope so, we'll see.

I am not expecting miracles. There is no buff in a vial.