First cycle, then cruise - I'm on TRT and have scripts for nebido and testogel

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Could someone advice me on how to better use nebido (and possible testogel at the end of the effective range of nebido) for a safe cycle? My endo has given me the thumbs up to reinject every 8 weeks which seems to keep me level-ish in the high range of things. I also have testogel to use as needed.

My thought was to get what I can from the nebido and then go for a trip to Thailand or something next year to add deca to the mix for 4-6 weeks. As I have the script I should also be able to bring some home with the excuse that "it's basically the same, only cheaper".

Would it make sense to do every other injection at 6 weeks and then 8 weeks again? Or should I just aim for 6 weeks all the time as long as I don't develop gyno?

Cheers!

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Also, what gauge needles (in mm, please) is recommended? The ones they give me are HYOOOGE...

[lovbyts]

What are your stats?
Height
Weight
body fat
gym experience
cycle experience

No need to add Deca to your 1st cycle. IF you are in good shape and ready to cycle just add more test.
4-6 weeks of deca is not worth it.

Use a 22g any length pin to draw with and a 25g 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 to pin with when doing the quads or glutes.

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Sorry,
My stats are:
Height: 170cm (5'6")
Weight: 83kg
Body fat: ~11-12%
Training experience: 38 years, been training martial arts since 6. 1.5 years solid gym experience since I stopped doing martial arts. ~8 years of lifting total
Cycle experience: Never done a cycle, but on TRT and T3 because of hypothyroidism (T3 resistant)

I'm in decent shape, but I lack aerobic capacity (which I'm working on).

Currently I'm doing 2 satchets (10g) of transdermal test in the morning which seems to be working, but probably still a little low. Hard to judge by sex drive as I'm currently single, but could probably be better. I used to inject in the thigh , but with the fluctuations I switched to gel. I might switch back to get after a while (not too fond of needles), but right now I'd like to get as much as possible out of a cycle.

Should I increase the injections? There's recently been a big bust here, so the market's pretty dried up. Even the ones I know who's been using earlier can't get hold of much these days, so increasing the nebido would be the easiest for me. Nebido doesn't readily aromatize, as far as I know, so I don't think I need any estrogen inhibitors, right? What's a safe spacing of the shots? If it hadn't been for all the fat morons at my work nagging me about my food and training every lunch I'd just try it out, but I'm actually afraid I'd slap one of them if irritability was an issue...

Cheers!

[lovbyts]

Im not very familiar with the effectiveness of transdermal gels except they never seemed to do much for me. I hear you about the shots but really it's the most effective. I think the easier would just be to double your Nebido injections and splitting them up. I'm not sure about the E2 with Nebido but have also heard the same, less E2 sides.

If you use a 22g to fill your syringe and 25g to inject it's painless as long as you take it slow.

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Im not very familiar with the effectiveness of transdermal gels except they never seemed to do much for me. I hear you about the shots but really it's the most effective. I think the easier would just be to double your Nebido injections and splitting them up. I'm not sure about the E2 with Nebido but have also heard the same, less E2 sides.

If you use a 22g to fill your syringe and 25g to inject it's painless as long as you take it slow.

Thanks Would that be one shot of nebido every 4-5 weeks or two shots every 4-5 weeks? I'm guessing the first

The gels by themselves don't do too much but I remember once I took one gel a bit too soon after the last injection along with some ephedrine for my sinuses. I was completely mellow and chilled - until I wasn't

I'll just try to space my shots out 7, 6, 5, 4, 4, 7, 7, 7... weeks apart. Does that sound good? By doing it this way I can have a couple of months every year where I focus on strength and size while not alienating my doctor too much

[lovbyts]

What ever your prescribed injection time is I would just cut it in 1/2 and that should give you a nice bump for a while to get the extra strength and size gains.

If you have the gel then I would use it just for the extra bump also. I have done it but honestly never really felt or saw any difference but it may have been measurable.

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Thanks,
How long do you reckon I should stay on this increased schedule before taking a break?

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Also, the only 0.6mm (23G) needle I can get my hands on is 30mm (1.18") - is that long enough? Any 25G needle I can find are only for subcutaneous injections.

[lovbyts]

23g isnt bad, not much differenc beteen that and a 25g. Lots of people use 22g and yes it's long enough. Keep the cycle lenght the same as most other cycles, 12 weeks then you take at least 12 weeks off but more is better and the best part is you dont need to worry about PCT.

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Thanks for your patience!

I did an injection yesterday using a 0.7 (22G?) x 40mm needle, which went better than I remember them. Will be using testogel for another couple of days, until my nipples get sore or I'm noticeably wired. I will then do injections every 5 or 6 weeks for 3 months (3 injections every 5 weeks, perhaps?) and switch to every 8 weeks thereafter.

Do you know a good half life calculator? Do you know what the different levels of test is in natural subjects?

[lovbyts]

Thanks for your patience!

I did an injection yesterday using a 0.7 (22G?) x 40mm needle, which went better than I remember them. Will be using testogel for another couple of days, until my nipples get sore or I'm noticeably wired. I will then do injections every 5 or 6 weeks for 3 months (3 injections every 5 weeks, perhaps?) and switch to every 8 weeks thereafter.

Do you know a good half life calculator? Do you know what the different levels of test is in natural subjects?

www.roidcalc.com
I have no idea how you would figure out the 1/2 life of natural testosterone since it's something that is produced 24/7 and not in intervals. Ive never thought about it or if it can be done. I guess if someone wanted to shut down their natural production then monitor it with daily blood test that would tell you how long the half life is.