a little sketchy...Please help

[vt2012vt]

alright so i bought a 10ml from a good friend of test e a couple weeks back, it worked good (gained about 15 lbs) then i got another 10ml bottle and the first time i pinned (delt) my shoulder got REALLY stiff, a day later i becamoe red, slightly swollen, hot to the touch, and it spread to my bicep and tricep, i could even put pressure on it with one finger and the indent would staythere for a minute or 2! it went away after about 5 or 6 days. I just figured i messed up and pinned too low or something so i tried it again a week later (.5 ml) into my other delt and the same exact thing happened..i even warmed up the oil and used icyhot right after the second time. i brought it up to him and he keeps saying that its real and he wouldnt give me anything fake...can someone please give me some advice?!? should i try again of get something else?

[The Bear 79]

High BA?

[blksavage]

bacteria

[vt2012vt]

it wasnt an infection since i didnt get a fever and the injection site itself wasnt red..it kind of looked like the oil wasnt going into the muscle right away and just lingering around for a while

[Chuckdiesel]

A high BA content will give you lots of pain but not too much swelling, or anything like you state. I would say its contaminated. Sounds like you may have gotten screwed on that one. I wouldn't use anymore as it sounds like its your body reacting to an infection, and repeated use will only make it worse, especially as the amount in your vial grows lower and the bacteria grows stronger...not a good mix bro!

[The Bear 79]

What size pin did you use? Not that it would matter as far as the pain & redness go's, but if you're only injecting say a 1/2 inch deep, I would assume that would cause the oil to "linger" as you say.

[Chuckdiesel]

alright so i bought a 10ml from a good friend of test e a couple weeks back, it worked good (gained about 15 lbs) then i got another 10ml bottle and the first time i pinned (delt) my shoulder got REALLY stiff, a day later i becamoe red, slightly swollen, hot to the touch, and it spread to my bicep and tricep, i could even put pressure on it with one finger and the indent would staythere for a minute or 2! it went away after about 5 or 6 days. I just figured i messed up and pinned too low or something so i tried it again a week later (.5 ml) into my other delt and the same exact thing happened..i even warmed up the oil and used icyhot right after the second time. i brought it up to him and he keeps saying that its real and he wouldnt give me anything fake...can someone please give me some advice?!? should i try again of get something else?

You wont necessarily get a fever with a low level infection...the redness and hotness does indicate an infection though...I have two examples. The first was my second cycle, I had ordered from a site that sent the juice in 20ml bottles, in a *******y way. When I had cracked the vials I had to pull all of the oil out and transfer it into another, sterile vial. I had accidentally contaminated the second vial I had opened and after about the 5th inj it started to get the same way you had described...and it only got worse with each inj after. I only did 2 more inj before tossing that stuff. Second is my most current cycle. The juice I had received has such a high level of ba to it that it gives me some really painful injections. Its not harmful, but really painful. No swelling or redness but the muscle feels like a gallon of lactic acid was poured on it. I just cut it with some sterile oil and that solved that problem

[vt2012vt]

its not really a swelling, but my arm isnt as defined where its red...and everything i did was sterile (i would never reuse pins) and i use 23G 1inch and go all the way in...and now i went from 2 pins a week to 2pins in 2 weeks...should i get another vial asap?

[Chuckdiesel]

it wasnt an infection since i didnt get a fever and the injection site itself wasnt red..it kind of looked like the oil wasnt going into the muscle right away and just lingering around for a while

Im not too sure what your meaning by "lingering" and not going into the muscle right away. If you injected it IM then its in the muscle, period. Whether its only 1/2 inch or 1.5 inch into the muscle thats where it stays. It does travel the length of the muscle some, but thats about it. If you injected it sub q, then it wont go into the muscle at all but just stay in the fat where you deposited it

[vt2012vt]

Im not too sure what your meaning by "lingering" and not going into the muscle right away. If you injected it IM then its in the muscle, period. Whether its only 1/2 inch or 1.5 inch into the muscle thats where it stays. It does travel the length of the muscle some, but thats about it. If you injected it sub q, then it wont go into the muscle at all but just stay in the fat where you deposited it

im not really sure how to explain it but from the injection site down to my mid bicep is red, its not a perfect circle though, and i have low bodyfat so im sure it went in

[Chuckdiesel]

its not really a swelling, but my arm isnt as defined where its red...and everything i did was sterile (i would never reuse pins) and i use 23G 1inch and go all the way in...and now i went from 2 pins a week to 2pins in 2 weeks...should i get another vial asap?

The bottle you received may have been contaminated to begin with... unfortunately it happens. I would advise tossing it and getting some new gear asap

[The Bear 79]

Here's a simple solution. At 18, you shouldn't be using steroids, so..................if you stop now................you wont have these "injection issues" anymore. Problem solved.

[Chuckdiesel]

im not really sure how to explain it but from the injection site down to my mid bicep is red, its not a perfect circle though, and i have low bodyfat so im sure it went in

Well when you deposit oil into a muscle, it will travel down the muscle, usually from gravity, and can affect other parts of that muscle...even the surrounding muscles or connective tissue. I know what your meaning now as I have had some issues in the past where a painful injection done in my quad traveled all the way down to my knee, and hurt everything in its path

[Chuckdiesel]

Here's a simple solution. At 18, you shouldn't be using steroids, so..................if you stop now................you wont have these "injection issues" anymore. Problem solved.

oh no shit? I didn't even ask or check him out...i agree with the bear here, your way too young to mess with steroids to begin with brother

[vt2012vt]

The bottle you received may have been contaminated to begin with... unfortunately it happens. I would advise tossing it and getting some new gear asap

yea i guess thats what im going to have to do...what a waste of money

[The Bear 79]

yea i guess that's what im going to have to do...what a waste of money

Yeah pay attention to the recommendation to get more gear but ignore the cautious advice to stop cycling under age & save your undeveloped systems from permanent damage.

[vt2012vt]

Yeah pay attention to the recommendation to get more gear but ignore the cautious advice to stop cycling under age & save your undeveloped systems from permanent damage.

i didnt come here to hear the same thing i hear whenever i post anything...im already 10 ml in on my second cycle, i know how to pct, and YES I KNOW IT IS BAD FOR ME, but its a little too late to change anything. i figure i might as well finish this cycle

[The Bear 79]

I know, you don't want to hear anything that isn't in agreement with your decisions, OH WELL. It's not too late, you're just too stubborn. PCT wont help your undeveloped systems from being damaged on cycle. And you're BS justifications & excuses are retarded too.

[vt2012vt]

It's not too late, you're just too stubborn. And you're BS justifications & excuses are retarded too.

thanks for the advice dad

[vt2012vt]

I know, you don't want to hear anything that isn't in agreement with your decisions, OH WELL. It's not too late, you're just too stubborn. PCT wont help your undeveloped systems from being damaged on cycle. And you're BS justifications & excuses are retarded too.

if pct wont help my underdevoloped systems from being damaged on my second cycle then what do you recommend? no pct? lol im only doing about 250-350 mg per week

[The Bear 79]

If you think PCT will protect your undeveloped Endocrine & HPTA (you probably don't even know what those are or their functions do you?) then you are obviously not educated enough about what you're doing to continue doing it. And it doesn't matter that you're only using "250 - 350 mg per week" that's plenty to shut you down, possibly for good. But you already knew that right.................

[vt2012vt]

so if its not too late then what would you like me to do?

[The Bear 79]

I would like to see you stop everything NOW, run a PCT, & get blood work done about 6 weeks after the last day of PCT. And then wait until you're AT LEAST 25 until you cycle again.

[vt2012vt]

ok i see where your coming from and i do appericate it...
This is what ive done so far (and i know its all wrong)
i started working out at around 15, 5'8 120 pound little kid
at 17 a friend gave me "tren" which brought me from about 130 to 140 which i then realized tren is the opposite thing i should be doing (i was an idiot for even messing with that)
i then did 10ml of something (i forget the name) but that brought me up to 150...i pct with nova for 8-10 weeks
waited a year and kind of slacked off because of work and went down to 145, worked my ass off for 6 months and only gained 5 pounds
now i just finished 10ml of test e at 2 pins a week of .5-.7 ml (200 mg/ml)
im 165 now (probably 2-4 lbs of water)
i would like to know if it would make a big difference if i just finished this cycle with another vile of test e and then pct and not touch the stuff for a whileeee


to be totally honest, i just want to look great for the summer (typical teenager, i know lol)
i eat pretty good (working 40 hour weeks kind of messes with me) but i do get fusturated when im not seeing gains like i do when i am on aas (thats why i do it)
even before this cycle i was always horny and could always get "it" up ... i know that dosnt mean much but i feel as if im able to "perform" then i shouldnt be tooo messed up....any feedback is appericiated

[0tolerance]

i experienced the same thing with my test, it may have just been high BA concentration.
My stuff was definitely legit aswell, but i had exactly what you described.
it went away after i put 4 injections in each shoulder.

[The Bear 79]

i experienced the same thing with my test, it may have just been high BA concentration.
My stuff was definitely legit aswell, but i had exactly what you described.
it went away after i put 4 injections in each shoulder.

And there's the under aged "hero" rushing in to save the day, and completely undermining the efforts of others. Way to go champ.

[vt2012vt]

i experienced the same thing with my test, it may have just been high BA concentration.
My stuff was definitely legit aswell, but i had exactly what you described.
it went away after i put 4 injections in each shoulder.

i dont want to have to wait 4 more injections since i can barely even get a good workout since i cant move my arm more that 1/2 the way up

[vt2012vt]

And there's the under aged "hero" rushing in to save the day, and completely undermining the efforts of others.

im not trying to undermine anybody, i would just like an honest opinion...would it make a bigg difference if i just finished this cycle or not?

[The Bear 79]

im not trying to undermine anybody, i would just like an honest opinion...would it make a bigg difference if i just finished this cycle or not?

I'm not going to condone or approve any further cycling. Every day you are on cycle, is another day you are shut down, & an increase in the likelihood of permanent damage. I have made my suggestion. Good luck.

[vt2012vt]

ok, i respect that, and i understand where your coming from...but would you think i already f***ed myself up bad? or do i just have to pct then get blood work done to find out?

[The Bear 79]

The only way to tell for sure is through full panel blood work. And you may want to see an Endocrinologist.

[vt2012vt]

The only way to tell for sure is through full panel blood work. And you may want to see an Endocrinologist.

so, ill pct with nova for 8-10 weeks wait about 6 weeks then get blood work done?

[The Bear 79]

4 weeks of Nolvadex should suffice, 6 weeks at the most. If your natural Test. production hasn't jump started / recovered by then, its not likely it will.

[vt2012vt]

only 4-6 weeks? what dose?

[The Bear 79]

only 4-6 weeks? what dose?

40/40/20/20 or 40/40/40/40/20/20

[vt2012vt]

ok..ill start that in a week or so...thanks for the info! i appericiate it...and im going to tryy not to be a dumbass anymore lol