Should I still run 12wk Sust only cycle?

[srt4wad]

Since my original idea has changed to Sust instead of Test E should I still run it for 12wk or go 10 weeks? I was going to run Test E for 10 so I bought enought PCT and HCG to do 10 but i got Sust instead do to the dude only having that in supply. Then I was told with Test E to run it 12 because the first couple of weeks is wasted waiting for E to kick in, since I am utilizing the prop in Sust do I still need to run 12 weeks or is 10 enough?


Sorry if this is a stupid question, if those2 extra weeks will make a big difference I will order more AI and HCG. PCT amounts wont change and I have the clomid and nolva on deck. AI might need to be replaced I need to run the numbers again.

Any help will be greatly appreciated, I did try to search for this but I did not get much of what I thought was valid info for my question.

Sust 0.6ml eod about 525ml per week.

[JDBeretta]

I'd run it for 12 weeks.

Just start your AI like 2 weeks in or whatever. And start the HCG a bit later as well.

At least that's what I'd do.

[UFO]

At that low dose go for 12...Sust has some longer esters in it than test E so it will take a little bit longer to FULLY kick in.

[Turkish Juicer]

At that low dose go for 12...Sust has some longer esters in it than test E so it will take a little bit longer to FULLY kick in.

Ridiculous!

Sustanon has Test Prop in it, which is one of the shorter estered Tests around, and it will kick in much sooner than Test E.

A thumb of rule in this board is that you do not make big statements about something you are not fully clear about, otherwise it is not only misleading but also embarrassing.

[Turkish Juicer]

OP, 12 week Sust cycle at your proposed dose should yield satisfactory results. Diet, training and recovery will be the major determinants, not gear.

OCT: HCG 250iu E3D, Arimidex 0.25 EOD up to PCT. I wouldn't wait more than 2 weeks into the cycle to start this protocol.
PCT: Starts 3 weeks after last pinning of Sustanon. Nolvadex 40/40/20/20 Clomid 100/100/50/50

You will loose a significant amount of your gains if you do not follow the right eating and workout regimens during PCT.

Do your research first.

[srt4wad]

OP, 12 week Sust cycle at your proposed dose should yield satisfactory results. Diet, training and recovery will be the major determinants, not gear.

OCT: HCG 250iu E3D, Arimidex 0.25 EOD up to PCT. I wouldn't wait more than 2 weeks into the cycle to start this protocol.
PCT: Starts 3 weeks after last pinning of Sustanon. Nolvadex 40/40/20/20 Clomid 100/100/50/50

You will loose a significant amount of your gains if you do not follow the right eating and workout regimens during PCT.

Do your research first.

Got you bud, that is how my PCT looked like and I have started AI already and HCG will start second week. Thanks for the help. I did my research first I thought and was just wondering about going 10 or 12 weeks mostly.

[JDBeretta]

To clarify, my comment was stating that, in my opinion, you'd be okay to go with what you have in terms of your OCT.

[srt4wad]

I got ya, I am going to stick with what I am doing and take HCG second week. I do appreciate the help.

[JDBeretta]

Is this your first cycle?

[srt4wad]

Is this your first cycle?

Yes it is.

[bodybycookiesandcake]

run the sust at 750 a week, pinning 3 times a week.
run stane, not adex

run it for 8 weeks, 21 day-half life, start pct
finish teh hcg 4 days before pct.

after pct, run letro at 0.25 a day for 4 months then look up ronnies sling shot training method in stickies and start ur second cycle and follow the guidelines and run that for 20 weeks.

[srt4wad]

I have already started and I am pinning 0.6ml eod and will keep doing that until the end which will be 12 weeks.

I have been told to start PCT 18 days after last pin and I have also been told 21 days after last. Not sure what to do on that one.

Thanks for the advice, I will keep it in mind if I decided to run another cycel.

[JDBeretta]

18 days after the last injection.

There's a sticky thread called 'PCT start times' in the pct section. This is according to that thread.

[Turkish Juicer]

OP, beware that you are being given bad advice when;

- you are advised to run Test at 750mg EW in your first cycle,

- you are advised to run Sustanon for 8 weeks,

- you are told that the ''half-life'' of Sustanon is 21 days,

- you are advised to drop Arimidex and use Formestane instead (which has a very poor oral bio-availability)

- you are advised to run letro at 0.25 ED for 4 months after PCT (WTF!?)

... and you should also know that you are most certainly looking at a forum troll whose advice is worthless and misleading if all of the above.

Don't listen to everyone.

[JDBeretta]

OP, beware that you are being given bad advice when;

- you are advised to run Test at 750mg EW in your first cycle,

- you are advised to run Sustanon for 8 weeks,

- you are told that the ''half-life'' of Sustanon is 21 days,

- you are advised to drop Arimidex and use Formestane instead (which has a very poor oral bio-availability)

- you are advised to run letro at 0.25 ED for 4 months after PCT (WTF!?)

... and you should also know that you are most certainly looking at a forum troll whose advice is worthless and misleading if all of the above.

Don't listen to everyone.

Yeah, I wasn't gonna get in on that post. Lol.

[srt4wad]

18 days after the last injection.

There's a sticky thread called 'PCT start times' in the pct section. This is according to that thread.

I also seen that a few days ago, just wanted to make sure. I think you told me 18 days in another post sorry to keep having you repeat yourself.

Thanks

[srt4wad]

Turkish Juicer thanks for the advice, you really seem to know your stuff and I will not and have not taken any of that dudes advice.

[JDBeretta]

I also seen that a few days ago, just wanted to make sure. I think you told me 18 days in another post sorry to keep having you repeat yourself.

Thanks

No prob. Better safe than sorry. It's easy to spot who asks the same questions looking to justify their stupid decisions.

[JDBeretta]

And I didn't even notice that I replied to you about this at another time. Lol.

[bodybycookiesandcake]

stane is heaps better on your body then adex wich is harsher.

mystatin levels become stupid past 8 weeks. so running 10, 12 16 week cycles is silly ...

sides vs gains running 750 sust vs 500 a week is minimal apposed to getting very good gains

sust is debatable for 14-21 days before you start pct, ugl all make theirs slightly different so it depends on your gear and if its under dosed.

bridging with letro to stay high end of normal for test level so you have a better chance of keeping first cycle gains. ISNT POOR ADVICE

[bodybycookiesandcake]

adex damages your joints. yeah no thanks.

[JDBeretta]

Unless you're running prop only, why would you do an 8 week cycle?

Adex at .25 mgs/EOD won't affect your joints.

The half life of Sus250 is not debatable. Your sources may be, but that's about it. Even if there is only a little bit of Cyp in it, it'll be 18 days.

What gains do you plan on keeping if you're bridging at the end when you have no gains to keep? After all, you're going to have to wait until your cycle is 2/3 done before you see anything, right?

So yeah, that is poor advice. Especially when you're trying to introduce a simple cycle to a first time user.

[bodybycookiesandcake]

bridging allows to keep muscle on when you are over maintenance and maintain the muscle you normally couldnt carry if you were not anabolic.

i suggest you go study and read alot of dr. scallys written papers

[JDBeretta]

So keep the muscle I didn't gain on an 8 week first cycle of Sus?

The weight I lose when coming off is water weight, for the most part. The adex will minimize retention of water. I've never bridged or followed any special PCT. Just the usual. And I've managed to stay fairly jacked compared to before I started using AAS.

[bodybycookiesandcake]

show written doctorates that disprove how mystatin works

ur biggest argument is saying 21 days before pct is horrible advice when its 18 days... this is petty.

everyone EVERYONE reacts to adex differently.

Running an ai for teh sake of just running one isn't my idea of good advice , when you dont fully understand blood work and estrogen levels.

but stane over adex is solid advice.

and i could go on.

in all fairness dont takee my advice. im a troll

but i will say this, i wasnt educated by Anthony Roberts, where alot of people here were.

[bodybycookiesandcake]

So keep the muscle I didn't gain on an 8 week first cycle of Sus?

The weight I lose when coming off is water weight, for the most part. The adex will minimize retention of water. I've never bridged or followed any special PCT. Just the usual. And I've managed to stay fairly jacked compared to before I started using AAS.

again u avoid the fact of myostatin levels, and how they dont respond to gear after 8 weeks, even more so 8 weeks of suppression not pinning.

make a poll here and you will see people start gaining weight from week 3 - 7 , alot of weight added from week 5- 8, and weight gains ffrom weeks 8-12 minimal

[JDBeretta]

No, I don't think it would make a difference if you started pct 21 days after.

My biggest argument is that you're suggesting that someone run an 8 week cycle of Sus and then use Letro to bridge it to keep gains that will be f-ck all in 8 weeks from Sus.

And my second biggest argument is that you're saying that adex is garbage when it is an effective estrogen control method. It will mitigate risks of estrogen related sides such as excess water retention.

And my final argument is that you're giving poor advice to a guy looking to do an effective and simple Sustanon cycle.

[JDBeretta]

again u avoid the fact of myostatin levels, and how they dont respond to gear after 8 weeks, even more so 8 weeks of suppression not pinning.

make a poll here and you will see people start gaining weight from week 3 - 7 , alot of weight added from week 5- 8, and weight gains ffrom weeks 8-12 minimal

If you poll users of Sus and any other test (except suspension), this 3-7 thing is bullshit.

[JDBeretta]

And you're acting like myostatin levels dictate 100% of your muscle growth. Growth will be stalled if you hit like week 20. Sure it'll max out at 8 weeks, but again, you'll get great gains for the 4 weeks between 8 and 12.

I am saying this from personal experience with that exact cycle...

[DeadlyD]

OP, beware that you are being given bad advice when;

- you are advised to run Test at 750mg EW in your first cycle,

- you are advised to run Sustanon for 8 weeks,

- you are told that the ''half-life'' of Sustanon is 21 days,

- you are advised to drop Arimidex and use Formestane instead (which has a very poor oral bio-availability)

- you are advised to run letro at 0.25 ED for 4 months after PCT (WTF!?)

... and you should also know that you are most certainly looking at a forum troll whose advice is worthless and misleading if all of the above.

Don't listen to everyone.

Hey Turkish, do you any thread links for training and diet while on PCT? This might be helpful to a lot of us here?

[bodybycookiesandcake]

And you're acting like myostatin levels dictate 100% of your muscle growth. Growth will be stalled if you hit like week 20. Sure it'll max out at 8 weeks, but again, you'll get great gains for the 4 weeks between 8 and 12.

I am saying this from personal experience with that exact cycle...

then you are right and i am wrong.

there is only way way to do steroids.

[JDBeretta]

then you are right and i am wrong.

there is only way way to do steroids.

No, now you too are right.