first time ever using TREN need advice. thanks

[ucla2042]

hi im 32 years old 200 lbs 19% body fat. been working out for 12 years
i've used testosterone ciponate and winstrol in the past, about 5 or 6 years ago.


im starting a Tren and Test enanthate stack. this is the amount my friend recommended. what are your thoughts, and or advice on dosage? any help would be greatly appreciated. thank you so much... btw my goal is to get to around 8% body fat.

dosage recommendation Tren = 375 mg / week
test E= 600 mg / week

[boxin23]

You can cut the dosage almost in half and get great results.

I like the test less than the tren....save your money let the tren do the work.

Get BF% down before you do this.

[ucla2042]

so like 400 mg tren, 300 mg test?
i've made good gains, since the end of january i've lost around 25lbs and 6-8% body fat, however now i'm eating incredibly clean and working out a lot. want to see how awesome things can get

You can cut the dosage almost in half and get great results.

I like the test less than the tren....save your money let the tren do the work.

Get BF% down before you do this.

[ucla2042]

im using Tren Acetate btw

[boxin23]

Sounds good, but yes lose some more BF% first for sure. Also your first time with tren and running a long ester can be dangerous because if you have bad sides it will take a long time to clear your system.

Are you running an AI?
What about Pct?

[boxin23]

ok...just seen the Tren A comment. Good Idea IMO.
And yes that dosage of Tren A is good. what is your gear dosed at?

[ucla2042]

not running AI yet......plan to run PCT towards the end of my cycle, week 8 or so

[ucla2042]

tren a = 100mg/ml
test e = 300mg/ml

ok...just seen the Tren A comment. Good Idea IMO.
And yes that dosage of Tren A is good. what is your gear dosed at?

[ucla2042]

he also recommend i use the tren every other day, and the test twice a week

[boxin23]

at your bf% you need to pick up some exemastane IMO.

PCT starts not toward the end but after your cycle.

[boxin23]

Yes EOD on the tren minimum and twice on the test is fine.

[ucla2042]

at your bf% you need to pick up some exemastane IMO.

PCT starts not toward the end but after your cycle.

can you educate me a bit on how to take exemastane? i appreciate all of your input so far

[boxin23]

ED. like .125.

[kelkel]

Any HCG in the picture?

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...n-cycle-Swifto

[songdog]

You might want to do a lil research so all your knlwledge is 2nd hand.Beacuse your friend gave you BAD advice 1 tren isnt for beginners and 750mg is insane.All you need is test after you diet down.

[ucla2042]

You might want to do a lil research so all your knlwledge is 2nd hand.Beacuse your friend gave you BAD advice 1 tren isnt for beginners and 750mg is insane.All you need is test after you diet down.

i apologize i wrote down the wrong values. he recommend 125mg/ EOD, which is 375 mg per week.

[ucla2042]

im settled in at going Tren 75mg / eod
Test 150 mg twice per week

incredibly excited guys, will show results and post pics of my progress

[lovbyts]

Did you figure out what a PCT is and how/when to use it? I think you really need to hold off for a while and learn what you are doing first. This is not something you learn as you go. Mistakes are costly.
Personally I dont think you should be doing ANY? cycle at this point. It doesnt matter how long you have been working out if your BF is anywhere 20% your training and diet is greatly flawed so it's all for not. Get your body fat down to under 15%, educate yourself so you dont have to ask stupid questions like when to start/stop PCT? What to use for PCT? What days or time should you pin? What size pin do you use? Where do you pin? What is aspirating? etc, etc, etc......

Put down the gear and learn what you are doing first. Most ALL your questions can be answered by reading the sticky notes at the top. Since your last cycle was 6 years ago and it's pretty obvious you really did not know what you were doing at the time or you would know a lot more now you should start with a basic Test beginners cycle.

[bob87]

You might want to do a lil research so all your knlwledge is 2nd hand.Beacuse your friend gave you BAD advice 1 tren isnt for beginners and 750mg is insane.All you need is test after you diet down.

Think you misread that songdog his dose was 375mg/week

[ucla2042]

i appreciate everyone input. the reason i'm deciding to go anabolic is because i'm working out and dieting the best i ever have in my life. i've seen better gains than i ever have over the past 5 months, understanding that diet is key. I figure why not exponentially magnify these gains therefore my mind is set on going anabolic. i have read up on PCT and have novaldex and clomid as well for PCT 2 weeks after my final injection. im going to get bloodwork done again 5-6 weeks into my cycle.

[chickenwing1]

I'm running 400 tren e and 400 test e with great results.

[boxin23]

Think you misread that songdog his dose was 375mg/week

No he had it correct....originally he said 750 a week and 600 for the test.

[Coolhand5599]

Can i ask, why should he get bf down before he runs it!

[ucla2042]

Can i ask, why should he get bf down before he runs it!

would love to know as well

[< <Samson> >]

High BF % leads to worse possibilities of Gyno, that I do know.

[blksavage]

everyone is diffrent I ran a cycle at twenty percent no problems the cycle I'm running now though I got my bf down first though I want to see the diffrence

[< <Samson> >]

everyone is diffrent I ran a cycle at twenty percent no problems the cycle I'm running now though I got my bf down first though I want to see the diffrence

Same here so far, just a better result at lower BF.

[bigswoll]

I agree test and keep up with your diet maybe get some Clen you'll see great results. And sampson STOP giving advice you've ran 1 cycle u know nothing yet u need to go to diet section and lay off aas by the look of your pic. Your repeating what uve jus read the thread b4 and all of a sudden u know for a fact that u need to lower Ur bf b4 aas. Until u experience it don't say it. I disagree with bf% how many powerlifters are 20% or higher I'n bf and drink and inject numbers u can't fathom, there's no reports of then having more gyno or side effects then someone with6%bf . I understand the diffeebce between a fat Fuk That does nothing or a powerlifter who works out That yes the fat Fuk I's running a higher risk of heart problems and side effects due his lack of exercise I'n past. But he's at risk regardless.

[DeadlyD]

People with a higher BF are typically thought to have higher BP and are at a greater risk of raising BP to a dangerous level, this woukf be my main concern, keep a close eye on that And def make sure your use an AI for duration of your cycle.

[DeadlyD]

High BF % leads to worse possibilities of Gyno, that I do know.

Care to elaborate on this samson ?

[< <Samson> >]

Care to elaborate on this samson ?

To tell you the truth, I am repeating what everyone said on here to me. I got to under 15% at went on cycle.


I know if you are overweight you are prone to pseudogynecomastia. But, that's just fat. . . . I dunno, I'm good so far - No bitch tits for me.

[blksavage]

yeah I would like to see done facts on that statement samson? I know its better to be on the safe side but the truth is just because you start at 20-25% does not mean you can't get down to 12-15 bf with a proper cycle depending on your training regiment, diet, rest, etc

[bigswoll]

Sampson can't elaborate he jus read the thread below from bigbear and now he's an expert. U should just start a thread on smoking your 42o and then i would read and say yes he knows what he's talking about. He likes to get high b4 gym and workout and says he has no energy during workouts??? Really!!!! I'm not against ppl who smoke weed however when i got serious and decided to do aas i stopped that stupid shit. If u were so knowelagable and serious about aas and fitness i wudnt be smoking weed. If your not that serious that's fine just don't act like u r and DON'T GIVE ADVICE

[< <Samson> >]

I don't see any issues with passing along the same exact advice I followed and got from other Vet members on here.

Also understand that getting juiced is much better then smoking weed(which I never bring up). Just from people's dumb comments. If I have medical prescription card by a licensed M.D. is then okay?

We can talk shit all day. . . . Just cause, pointless I know.

If my advice means nothing, do you recommend starting at this BF%? Really?





Me, I will run my second cycle when I am leaner.

[bigswoll]

U jus stated u started at 15% bf and now during your cycle your 20% u say u listen to vets but don't do it. U say u know for sure high bf causes gyno. If your gaining fat on your cycle u don't know what your doing! If u get gyno at high bf% why don't u have gyno. And u have brought up weed on the past and say u smoke b4 gym. And if u live I'n those states u can get Ur card for saying your hand hurts after u jerk off. I'm jus saying great Job listening to vets just don't give advice and be a hypocrite. If u can't do it yourself what gives you the right to be advising ppl. U need to ask more questions so that u know what your doing gaining 5% bf while on aas u obviously don't. So focus on yourself and stop repeating everything u read

[capetown]

Bigswoll, why are you so angry all the time man? Just asking.

[bigswoll]

I'm really not angry bro i jus can't stand know it all newbies that's all. It's damaging the threads, and gives false info to newbies that are actually asking questions and trying to learn. I'll try to be nicer jus can't stand fake fuks. Your a newbie I've never seen u jus repeating shit u read or giving advice on something u know nothing about. And being a newbie on here u Shud appreciate when these guys get called out so u don't get wrong info. But Ur right I'm done.... For now

[< <Samson> >]

Bigswoll, why are you so angry all the time man? Just asking.

Just cause, I suppose. Even if the advice given is correct.

As far as me being a hypocrite, I am gaining mass at all costs. Which I was not able to do before.

I have no problem being fatter at the end of this cycle as long as I gained a significant muscle base.

20% BF at almost 220 is not bad, is it?

[canadian-bacon]

How much of that 220 is fat weight?

[bigswoll]

Sampson I'm not getting into it all the weight you've gained I's water weight and fat, very little muscle do u realize that 5% of bf u gained equals 11lbs of fat dude. U r not doing it right. It don't matter if your bulking a person that knows diet and aas will not even come close to gaining that much fat. I'll help u on diet if u want I'm a certified nutritionist. U say Ur gonna run your 2nd cycle lean?? How if your doing nothing but getting fatter. If u wanna pm me your diet I'll help u figure out what u can change to lose fat and build muscle. Sorry if i was a dik i jus think u need to learn alot more b4 giving advice. It's like when Ur at the gym and u hear a trainer who's outta shape asking a member who's I'n better condition then them asking if they need a trainer. Lol I've been a trainer for 4yrs now and nothing pisses me off like that. Jus pm Ur diet 2 me and I'll do what i can to help. My bad