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    Mini Essay, The Ultimate Newb Question: What is the strongest steroid?

    Hey Guys,

    I'm a frequent reader of this and other similar forums, although i rarely post. I've been researching AAS since I was a scrawny 120lb 5' 11" 14 year old. Of course this makes me far from an expert, and everything in this mini essay is an acclimation of years of reading forums, a health care background, and from you guys. With that in mind this should be taken as personal opinion, not verified fact.

    After spending quite some time reading various bb and AAS forums, one question seems to reappear quite frequently, and invariably by a new member (Yes, I am a new member to this forum). I wrote this for another forum, because, when the question was asked, one word answers such as 'anadrol' and 'tren' were given. To me this is insufficient, and results in eighteen year old kids running out and buying tren with no idea of what they're doing. I thought I'd share it here so that others can express their opinions, and reference this thread when the question is inevitably asked again.

    Boys and Girls, Here it is:

    Q:What is the Strongest Steroid?

    A:What type of steroid? Corticosteroids are typically used to treat inflammation; certain asthma inhalers, topical creams, pills etc... You hear that your favorite sports hero had a shot in his knee or shoulder? Guess what, he may be on steroids, just not the kind you think of when you hear that word. Cortico steroids are also used to suppress the immune system in organ transplant recipients, those with autoimmune diseases and a variety of other ailments. Typically corticosteroid steroids have the potential to cause serious detrimental effects to the body, much more than anabolic steroids.

    I'm going to assume that you are asking about anabolic/androgenic steroids. These are what come to mind when the average person uses the word "steroids". They are the male sex hormones testosterone (often called test), dihydrotestosterone (DHT), and a laundry list of their synthetic derivatives. There are also 19-nor steroids that are progestin (female sex hormone) that have incredible anabolic effects, Nandralone (Deca) and Trenbolone being the most famous (or infamous).

    The next problem we face is your question. How do you define "strongest"? All effects of steroids depend on a myriad of factors, including but not limited to the individuals genetics, health, type of training and goals, diet, rest, lifestyle, the steroids dose, supporting supplements, duration of use, etc... These all determine a steroids efficacy. I can take the "weakest" steroid and have my training, diet, and lifestyle in perfect order and will most likely have incomparably better results than another who uses the "strongest" but doesn't eat, sleep, or train properly. It's important to remember that steroids are a tool, not a miracle, and they are incredibly powerful. With this in mind let's try to define "strongest". All steroids are dose related, and some of what might give you the fastest and most dramatic results can have serious side effects, up to and including death in a short period of time (we'll see how many people take that out of context and flame me), as opposed to others that can be run with relative safety for long periods of time resulting in better gains due to the duration of use and minimal sides. We must also determine what our goals are. Do we wish to gain muscle mass, strength, or cut body fat and get that ripped beach body?

    Now that we understand that "strongest" depends on many variables, we can talk specific compounds. The safest is testosterone. Of course I'm referring to the natural variety, the stuff made by your cajones my friend. Eating right, traing hard, getting 8 hours of sleep at the same time every night. These play a heavy roll in testosterone production. BPA in canned foods/plastics, stress, and alcohol will lower test production profoundly. On a side note, steroid use slows or stops your natural production, if only temporarily. This is the cause of lost gains and atrophied testes post cycle.

    The "best" steroid: Testosterone! Although it can have more side effects than some, and less dramatic gains than others, it is the perfect hormone. No steroid user takes any other steroid without using testosterone. Other steroids act in different ways, and with natural testosterone shut down can leave you with rather embarrassing sides, such as a lack of confidence, erectile dysfunction, decreased libido, inability to ejaculate, etc. so test is injected to replace the lost natural test. Testosterone is fantastic on its own for cutting, bulking, and strength training, as it has a perfect anabolic/androgenic ratio of 100/100. It can be used relatively safely, even in high doses if all proper precautions are taken. All things considered, test is the best.

    Strongest: Bulking. This some would argue that anadrol is the strongest (a-bombs, A-50's). A pound a day is typical for this drug. So are profound, extreme sides. Huge water retention, hypertension, and liver damage can occur with this compound. It is the only steroid proven to be linked with certain liver cancers, and liver cysts that can rupture and cause a fatal hemorage. About half of the gains on anadrol are water and are lost on cessation. It should be noted that high doses are used (50-100mg/day). On a mg to mg basis it is widely believed dianabol (d-Bol) may be stronger, and much safer to use. This is of course anecdotal.

    Strength: Halotestin. Again this is arguable. Another oral, liver stress is a concern. If there is such a thing as roid rage, this would be one that shows it. Weight gain on this drug may be non-existent, strength will go through the roof.

    One last mention: Trenbolone. If test has a rating of 100/100, Tren is 500/500. It is a 19-nor (progestin) and as such doesn't convert to estrogen. This means NO water retention (This seams to be the common explanation for trend dry gains, but deca is also 19-nor and is wet. If anyone can expand on this please do). Weight gain, strength gain, and fat loss are quick and heavy. It's binding affinity to the androgen receptor and theorized anti catabolic properties allow the user to gain major mass on a calorie deficient diet. Sounds great right? It is also the 2nd most dangerous widely available steroid, second only to anadrol. As it has never been a legitimate pharmaceutical steroid, there are zero studies on its long term health implications. One single 100mg injection will cause complete shutdown of natural testosterone production, very difficult to recuperate from, especially if your not educated on what you're using. Incredibly high hypertension, progestin related side effects (similar to estrogen but much harder to combat), possible liver damage (this is theoretical and not proven), insomnia, loss of appetite, and on and on.....

    So what's the strongest steroid? There is no one answer. This is a brief summation of years of personal research. I've trained for 13 years. I've researched, my diet is solid, I sleep the same time every night for 8 hours. Even then, I rarely take steroids, and only use what I personally feel is safe. Steroids only truly work if this is your lifestyle. Otherwise you may get big, but not for long. And you may do damage for life. Steroids can be used safely, just like Tylenol. Take one guess which of those two is the # one cause of overdose related hospital visits? It's not the steroids.

    I in know way condone the use of steroids, even with my personal use and belief that within reason can be relatively safe. I've take the time to express my personal views only. This is just to give you an idea of how complex and powerful these hormones are. They demand respect. If you are consider using, by asking this question you show you are far from ready. You deserve to know what your putting in your body and what it can do, good or bad. In the end, it's your body.

    Good Luck!!!
    Last edited by Bigshotvictoria; 05-04-2012 at 08:35 PM.

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    Great read man......so for my next cycle tren and anadrol it is then!!! Haha

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    So as you put it for tren that since its a 19-nor that means no water retention. So deca is also a 19 nor. Would you say there is no water retention with deca also?
    If people can't tell your on steroids then your doing them wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixxerboy1 View Post
    So as you put it for tren that since its a 19-nor that means no water retention. So deca is also a 19 nor. Would you say there is no water retention with deca also?
    You're absolutely right, Deca does. I'll edit my post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadlyD View Post
    Great read man......so for my next cycle tren and anadrol it is then!!! Haha
    just don't forget your support sups. High dose nolva to combat tren sides, whiskey for your liver protect, and cheeseburgers and cigarettes for your blood pressure. Log your results

    May I suggest a superdrol kickstart?
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    "If test has a rating of 100/100, Tren is 1000/1000"

    I believe you are mistaken.. and have multiplied the AA values by two..

    Trenbolone Acetate


    (17beta-Hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one)

    (Trenbolone Base + Acetate Ester)
    Formula: C20 H24 O3
    Molecular Weight: 312.4078
    Molecular Weight (base): 270.3706
    Molecular Weight (ester):60.0524
    Formula (base): C18 H22 O2
    Formula (ester): C2 H4 O2
    Melting Point (base): 183-186C
    Melting Point (ester):16.6C
    Manufacturer: Cattle implants, British Dragon, Various
    Effective Dose (Men):50-150mg ED
    Effective Dose (Women): Not recommended
    Active life: 2-3 days
    Detection Time: 5 months
    Anabolic/Androgenic ratio: 500/500

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    Quote Originally Posted by trschnei View Post
    "If test has a rating of 100/100, Tren is 1000/1000"

    I believe you are mistaken.. and have multiplied the AA values by two..

    Trenbolone Acetate


    (17beta-Hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one)

    (Trenbolone Base + Acetate Ester)
    Formula: C20 H24 O3
    Molecular Weight: 312.4078
    Molecular Weight (base): 270.3706
    Molecular Weight (ester):60.0524
    Formula (base): C18 H22 O2
    Formula (ester): C2 H4 O2
    Melting Point (base): 183-186C
    Melting Point (ester):16.6C
    Manufacturer: Cattle implants, British Dragon, Various
    Effective Dose (Men):50-150mg ED
    Effective Dose (Women): Not recommended
    Active life: 2-3 days
    Detection Time: 5 months
    Anabolic/Androgenic ratio: 500/500

    Good catch!!!!! I'll edit my post. I'll copy and paste your Tren info too if it came from a reputable source. Let me know!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigshotvictoria

    just don't forget your support sups. High dose nolva to combat tren sides, whiskey for your liver protect, and cheeseburgers and cigarettes for your blood pressure. Log your results

    May I suggest a superdrol kickstart?
    Lol cheeseburgers and cigarettes!! ... Thats only post work out tho right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigshotvictoria View Post
    Good catch!!!!! I'll edit my post. I'll copy and paste your Tren info too if it came from a reputable source. Let me know!
    Its from the "Anabolic Review Steroid Profile: Trenbolone Acetate"... property of steroid.com... sources at bottom of the post.

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    tren is the strongest steroid out there for anyone, all the other compounds ppl react differently to, some work better then others for some. anadrol is the #1 steroid ppl dont respond too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markdbg View Post
    tren is the strongest steroid out there for anyone, all the other compounds ppl react differently to, some work better then others for some. anadrol is the #1 steroid ppl dont respond too.
    proof ? or is this what u belive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by t-gunz View Post
    proof ? or is this what u belive?
    He missed the part that said answers like 'anadrol' and 'tren' with no argument as to why just don't cut it. I feel like I've wasted my time if people aren't going to read the whole thing, but certain parts, taken out of the context of the whole and argue them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markdbg View Post
    tren is the strongest steroid out there for anyone, all the other compounds ppl react differently to, some work better then others for some. anadrol is the #1 steroid ppl dont respond too.
    "tren is the strongest steroid out there for anyone, all the other compounds ppl react differently to"

    So you argue everyone reacts the same to tren, and this is why it's the strongest? Please elaborate, and site your sources as i find this very hard to believe. Everybody responds to every steroid, just not always the way they want to. The only pharmacological/physiological way to not respond to anadrol is if it isn't anadrol in the first place.

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