libido shot - will it come back??

[NotConvincedYet]

Alrighty,

I posted a few weeks back as i was midway through my pct as my libido was shot, and my ability to get an erection severely diminished. Apparently this happens during PCT. Many advised that I should give it a few weeks and it will be fine.

I am now a week out of PCT and nothing has changed. Luckily my girlfriend is aware of what I am doing, but I couldn't get it up last night and I have never had that problem!

Is this a common thing, will my libido come back or do I need to see a doc?

FYI
33
190
12%
6ft

cycle was 2 x week sus 250
PCT clomid 100/50/50/50 nolva 40/20/20/20

[Flier]

No!

Lol...jk
It´s like I ve said before "Do you feel lucky...Punk?"

Did my first cycle at 30 (PH), lost my libido/erection, 13 years later still looking for it. True story.

There is no real answer here. There seems to be some kind of sweet spot when all the Hormone Planets align in perfect symmetry where libido happens.
Pretty sure I briefly crossed that symmetry about 2 years ago using Testogel. Just got awesome spontaneous erections out of nowhere, had almost forgot how it felt like. But cycling it never happens. On Prop now, and it´s completely shot.

Wish I had better news. Good luck!
(You´ll probably be ok though, most guys come back)

[< <Samson> >]

Damn ouch,

Is TRT a option for someone with serious ED issues? I been wondering. . . . . .

[BreakingFace]

No!

Lol...jk
It´s like I ve said before "Do you feel lucky...Punk?"

Did my first cycle at 30 (PH), lost my libido/erection, 13 years later still looking for it. True story.

There is no real answer here. There seems to be some kind of sweet spot when all the Hormone Planets align in perfect symmetry where libido happens.
Pretty sure I briefly crossed that symmetry about 2 years ago using Testogel. Just got awesome spontaneous erections out of nowhere, had almost forgot how it felt like. But cycling it never happens. On Prop now, and it´s completely shot.

Wish I had better news. Good luck!
(You´ll probably be ok though, most guys come back)

Never heard it put that way, but that's exactly what I believe as well. I started cycling PH and aas at age 16. My libido has been all over the place since then. I took ten years off from cycling and my natty test levels returned to high normal. However, I still never got full libido back. When girls are around I function perfectly... I just dont have that extra kick that motivates me to take a pretty girl out.

[NotConvincedYet]

No!

Lol...jk
It´s like I ve said before "Do you feel lucky...Punk?"

Did my first cycle at 30 (PH), lost my libido/erection, 13 years later still looking for it. True story.

There is no real answer here. There seems to be some kind of sweet spot when all the Hormone Planets align in perfect symmetry where libido happens.
Pretty sure I briefly crossed that symmetry about 2 years ago using Testogel. Just got awesome spontaneous erections out of nowhere, had almost forgot how it felt like. But cycling it never happens. On Prop now, and it´s completely shot.

Wish I had better news. Good luck!
(You´ll probably be ok though, most guys come back)

Holy crap dude!

So are you on TRT now?

When you say most come back, you mean after a few months.

I assume I will have to go on TRT one of these days as I have low testosterone, but I want to have kids first. Quite a scary scenario!

[gixxerboy1]

it takes more then test to be able to have an erection. its a balance of all your hormones. It may take a while to level out. I'd pick up some cialis

[swm1972]

Flier, dude that would totally suck bro. You seen an endo by any chance? What was his opinion if so?

[NotConvincedYet]

Do I need to see a doc for cialis? I am in Australia, what's the go with this one?

[gixxerboy1]

ar-r sells it and ships to australia

[< <Samson> >]

Kind of off topic, but is Cialis very similar to Viagra? Either stronger than the other?

[kelkel]

Similar but different. Cialis long term. Viagra short term. If I was the op I'd start Cialis 5mg twice a day (Every 12 hrs) and see if it gives you the boost you need. Another item to use in conjunction with cialis if it does not work on it's own would be low dose Doxazosin (Cardura) taken twice a day along with the cialis. It's a blood pressure med and a smooth muscle relaxer and alpha-blocker. I know several people that swear by it for their libido.

[Bigshotvictoria]

I tried yohimbe a couple of years ago to help in a cut. I don't know if theres any clinical studies on it, but it made my libido shoot through the roof!

[lca]

how long after your last shot of sus did you start pct

sus has a long half life and pct should start 2weeks after last injection

[NotConvincedYet]

how long after your last shot of sus did you start pct

sus has a long half life and pct should start 2weeks after last injection

Thanks Ica. With sus, you actually want a bit longer between last pin and start of PCT. 18 days is better than 14. But I ran out of sust, and used test e for my last few pins so I started PCT exactly 2 weeks after last pin.

I just ordered cialis as Gix recommended. Still though, I am scared that my libido might not come back. Roids are serious business, and should not be taken lightly - not that I did take it lightly. But I have always eaten well, been training for a long time, never drank to excess, and certainly had a healthy sex life with no issues. To struggle to get a woody, and have no sex drive is very scary indeed. I hope I recover ok...

[Skyrinegt]

Could always throw in a shot of hcg at 5000mcg it's done lots for me

[NotConvincedYet]

Could always throw in a shot of hcg at 5000mcg it's done lots for me

Yeah, I've done a bit of research and I see some guys doing this. I find it confusing though, because there are generally a strict protocol that people on this forum follow and that is that HCG is for 'on cycle', not PCT. Not sure??

[Flier]

Holy crap dude!

So are you on TRT now?

When you say most come back, you mean after a few months.

I assume I will have to go on TRT one of these days as I have low testosterone, but I want to have kids first. Quite a scary scenario!

Yes, pretty scary and depressing, but learned to live with it.
Knew something was kinda off down there, but didn´t find out until I was on the 3´d or 4´th date with this hot blonde, and Mr always-ready to-perform acted like a scared turtle. Which is very interesting, and a possible indication it had nothing to do with Testosterone at all but rather what Kelkel is suggesting, Alphablockers.
Going out on a limb here.....AAS use ie. shocking the body with high Test causes "stress" on many delicate functions on the body, the intricate Hormone factory is one, our 2 nervous systems another. On cycle, we introduce a higher level of stress lifestyle with all our training, eating, and general activities coming with higher Test levels. This, in my theoretical mind causes permanent damage in all of us. Some just don´t feel it. For all of us, even though we felt great during cycle, because our brains got elevated with Test induced Serotonin, the subconscious will always remember the trauma of those 20 weeks.
For an unusual laid back person like myself, maybe my body handled this trauma very poorly.

During elevated stress, fight or flight, our equipment will retract like a turtle. I had forgotten about the "trauma" but my subconscious will never forget. And that night with the Blonde, it didn´t take more than a pinch of adrenaline before my subconscious woke up the fight or flight demon, because he just don´t know he can chill. It´s just a pretty Blonde, let me have a good time. But the subconscious is much more powerful than the conscious, no way of overriding it.

No, I´m not on TRT. Testosterone has very little to do with Libido and erection. Serotonin plays a bigger part in libido. Erection is a mystery, and extremely complicated, needing a lot of ducks to line up.
Castrate a man, and he will have an erection 1 year later, but most likely not 5 years later.
So you having ED issues, imo, has nothing to do with you having low test directly, but possibly what other hormones, electrical impulses, and other processes that is affecting. Just like Gixxer says.

I have read countless cries on this board on the ED issue, and I recognize myself. SOme will come back, some won´t. The worst one can do is stress over it, it will compound the issue, and will casue what I call a stress induced psychosis on the subconscious level. And none of us are really that aware, and in touch with ourselves to repair that later. You need to let it go, and wait it out.
My nephew did a night of X, and never "came back". IMO, not because of the X, but not knowing and understanding that in the days following X, his brain will be completely drained for Serotonin, and trusting production will come back. The stress and anxiety he caused on himself during those days, induced his psychosis, and once it gets a hold...forget about it. Is now living in a home chewing pills. If I was there when it happened, I would have popped him full of Valium, and made him sleep for 4 days.

Lots of guys use Cialis/Viagra here. Imo not a great idea. Read up on conditional response (Pavlov´s Dog). It´s not an innocent erection solution, but a highly addictive drug.
I had and have great success with only a low dose of C or V. Need a little more today than when this started. I know today I am addicted. If my original ED issue is fixed or not, I wouldn´t know. Having a girl around without having a pill around makes me nervous, and here we go.

Swm, I´ve seen Endos, Uro´s, Healers, Boston medical, had fingers and rods poked up my ass. Been in bed with the hottest chicks (eye of the beholder)....nothing.
Countless times of turning down chicks at parties, work, or night clubs. 1 because of low libido, like why bother. and 2, feel like such a fvcking looser popping a pill in order to fvck.

The reason I cycle today, is because I´m fvcked up anyway. (Yeah I know, very mature)
If I could go back I would never never never touch anything that fvcks with any of the delicate processes of my body and mind. For what? Pecs, Biceps? How fvcking primitive we are guys. Wisdom came too late.

[NotConvincedYet]

Interesting Flier! Scary, very scary, but I can see the wisdom in those words.

So taking all that in, in simple terms and to answer my original post, I should sit back, wait and hope that I return to normal, but don't stress out and think about it in the meantime cos that'll make it worse!

Hmmm, why do some lessons need to be learned the hard way!? Unfortunately, we weren't really to know how we would react from a cycle until we tried it.

Thanks for putting the time in to type your post flier. Appreciated.

[Flier]

Interesting Flier! Scary, very scary, but I can see the wisdom in those words.

So taking all that in, in simple terms and to answer my original post, I should sit back, wait and hope that I return to normal, but don't stress out and think about it in the meantime cos that'll make it worse!

Hmmm, why do some lessons need to be learned the hard way!? Unfortunately, we weren't really to know how we would react from a cycle until we tried it.

Thanks for putting the time in to type your post flier. Appreciated.

You´re welcome.
Just my experience and suggestions ofcourse.

And to redeem myself a little re. me cycling...hehe
My exploration with AAS started 3 years ago as a quest for my libido.
After 10 years, I picked up where I left off 8 years earlier with no answers.
So I started Gel and Nebido, tried HGH and HCG. Then things kinda got out of hand with a cycle, and another. I´m a primitive human after all, and really enjoyed the change of my body composition as I was looking for my libido.

[lca]

have you had bloodwork done to check all levels are back to normal after pct
high estro case cause ED

[DGHGM]

Yeah, I've done a bit of research and I see some guys doing this. I find it confusing though, because there are generally a strict protocol that people on this forum follow and that is that HCG is for 'on cycle', not PCT. Not sure??

If PCT is ineffective a second more agressive PCT can be run. This would include HCG to get things started. I once saw someones results on how the 3 different PCT proticols they ran affected their endogenous test levels. May well have been on this forum I'm not sure. It was really interesting so I'm hoping I saved it. Each PCT proticol was more agressive than the last and after the 3rd go his levels were well within the normal range. However, you're probably not up to this stage as he had been on course for 3 years straight. You may just need to wait for your hormones to settle themselves a little more and everything will be alright.

However, if I got to 6 weeks post PCT and was still having problems I'd be booking an appointment at biologic labs.

I'll try to find those PCT proticols for you.

[Skyrinegt]

Yeah, I've done a bit of research and I see some guys doing this. I find it confusing though, because there are generally a strict protocol that people on this forum follow and that is that HCG is for 'on cycle', not PCT. Not sure??

Yea I know what ya mean here and it definitely is recommended on cycle, but I have had an experience with a test deca cycle in which I thought my normal pct wasn't doing the job and I hadn't used hcg during so I did this wonder shot and bang I was back in action and I had only used the one shot! Good luck mate hope all goes well for ya

[ironbeck]

After my last cycle it took about 2 months after my pct.

[NotConvincedYet]

have you had bloodwork done to check all levels are back to normal after pct
high estro case cause ED

Not yet. I was going to wait a month or two as I am only 1 week out of PCT at the moment. Something's definately outta whack though, back acne like I've never had!

If PCT is ineffective a second more agressive PCT can be run. This would include HCG to get things started. I once saw someones results on how the 3 different PCT proticols they ran affected their endogenous test levels. May well have been on this forum I'm not sure. It was really interesting so I'm hoping I saved it. Each PCT proticol was more agressive than the last and after the 3rd go his levels were well within the normal range. However, you're probably not up to this stage as he had been on course for 3 years straight. You may just need to wait for your hormones to settle themselves a little more and everything will be alright.

However, if I got to 6 weeks post PCT and was still having problems I'd be booking an appointment at biologic labs.

I'll try to find those PCT proticols for you.

Alrighty, looks like I have more time to wait it out, otherwise this may be a consideration. Would love you to post up those protocols if you can find them

Yea I know what ya mean here and it definitely is recommended on cycle, but I have had an experience with a test deca cycle in which I thought my normal pct wasn't doing the job and I hadn't used hcg during so I did this wonder shot and bang I was back in action and I had only used the one shot! Good luck mate hope all goes well for ya

As above, I'll wait it out a couple more weeks and reassess. Thanks for the good luck.

After my last cycle it took about 2 months after my pct.

Reassuring



Thanks heaps for all your feedback guys. Very helpful.

[kelkel]

Flier that was a GREAT post! I agree with a lot of what you said. We've all given the op advice but right now IMO the best thing to do is relax and give it some time while his body searches for homeostasis.

[< <Samson> >]

Wow, deep stuff here. Not being able to hope wood is a serious matter.

Since I started my cycle it's been up and down. At 1st I was super horny, way more than before. Now, 7 weeks in & its average at best.


I had to pop a V the last 2 times.

Good luck to all including myself.

[swm1972]

Thanks for sharing flier. That's quite an eye opener for those considering a cosmetically enhancing cycle.

[NotConvincedYet]

Yep, thanks all, a pretty good insight and great help, not only to my original post but all reading. Appreciate all your input.

[NotConvincedYet]

I am posting here to close off this thread and for anyone looking at back dated info on the same topic.

My worst fears thankfully have subsided! After my libido was and ability to get a woody was completely shot for a good 4 weeks (starting midway through my PCT, and continuing on for another 2-3 weeks after PCT) it seems to be back to normal!

Fair dinkum guys, this was the scariest thing I have been through on my first cycle, and many lessons have been learned (use an AI and HCG throughout next cycle).

I took advice from here to order cialis. I am not sure if this sparked my libido, but it seemed to come back after I used this 2 or 3 times and then it wasn't needed. Very easy to get dependant on!! In fact, my balls seem to have come back fuller, and sex drive slightly better than before cycle? Not sure if this is placebo or not, or even if this is possible.

So there you have it. This board has been a great help, and a special mention to guys like flier who have opened up to share their experience.

Hope this thread may help others in a similar predicament. Man, the ups and downs of a first cycle ay.

[Bulkn]

Good to hear mate! The exact same thing happened to me once! I found cialis helped a bit with errections but not with sex drive.

[ironbeck]

best thing for sex drive is a some strange......

[FONZY007]

I must be one of the lucky ones, cuz one point i shut my system down. 67ng/ml and still was getting erections and humping!!

Doc asked me if I'm getting it up, lol I said yea he said you shouldn't be lol