Another PCT Thread. Help Me Decide Please

[warmouth]

Hey guys. I ran a 5 week cycle of Winny, which I know doesnt require a PCT. I the started Test Prop 75mgs EOD and I do know I have to have a PCT. I have about 6 more weeks on the Test Prop and am about to stack it with Winny 50 as well. I purchased Nolvadex for the PCT, but from reading, I dont know if enough was ordered for me. I was at GNC today snooping around and just asked an associate what they had that was comparable to Nolvadex. He said "hands down" Their A-HD was a WAY better PCT. I know Nolva has been around forever because it works. I was just wondering any thoughts on GNCs PCT? It is alot cheaper than the Nolva. And stacking the PROP and Winny together, do you mix in the same syringe and go, or 2 different ones in 2 different sites? Thanks in advance!

[bob87]

I have heard OTC PCT is shit also why dont you need to run a pct on a winny cycle? Nolvadex Clomid for pct

[bob87]

As with 99% of steroids, however, it’s important to note that suppression of your natural hormonal levels will occur (though perhaps not to the extent that it will with many other steroids).(10) As with running virtually any compound, testosterone supplementation (i.e. running test in a cycle containing Winstrol) is warranted to avoid possible sexual dysfunction.

[warmouth]

I have heard OTC PCT is shit also why dont you need to run a pct on a winny cycle? Nolvadex Clomid for pct

From my experience on the first winny cycle, I had no drop in testosterone at all. I just figured that a cycle meant to shred waterweight and cut more than bulk wouldnt lower your natural test enough for any negative effects. It didnt me anyways. Should I start my PCT after my Prop only or wait until I begin to stack the winny with the prop?

[warmouth]

As with 99% of steroids, however, it’s important to note that suppression of your natural hormonal levels will occur (though perhaps not to the extent that it will with many other steroids).(10) As with running virtually any compound, testosterone supplementation (i.e. running test in a cycle containing Winstrol) is warranted to avoid possible sexual dysfunction.

Running test with winny for sexual side effects makes a ton of sense. You are saying that if the winny suppresses your sex drive, the test will boost that? And lastly, when running test and winny together, will the winny still shred and cut even though the test will be trying to build?

[GorillaNuts]

You should start your pct when your done your cycle, 3 days after your last prop/winny injection.

You need to do a lot more research bud, it is quite obvious you don't know really what you are using and doing to your body. Any pct that gnc try's to sell you will NOT benefit you. Stick to nolva/clomid.

Research some more.

[bob87]

double post

[bob87]

Your diet depends whether you cut or bulk not the compound, sure some compounds will build more mass then others but it soley rely's on what you put in your mouth. You should always run test as a base to any cycle.

Should I start my PCT after my Prop only or wait until I begin to stack the winny with the prop?

This question confuses me. Your adding the winny to your current cycle of prop right ?

from memory winny has a very short half life so you could run it right up to the day before pct

i think test prop needs to be stopped 2-3 days before PCT

[warmouth]

You should start your pct when your done your cycle, 3 days after your last prop/winny injection.

You need to do a lot more research bud, it is quite obvious you don't know really what you are using and doing to your body. Any pct that gnc try's to sell you will NOT benefit you. Stick to nolva/clomid.

Research some more.

Yeah, I have the Nolva and thats been my plan all along. The guy at GNC said their stuff was way better and it just made me think.

[DanB]

pct day after last dose of winny

or 3 days after last pin of prop

or prop then another 2 days winny then pct, all the same however you twist it

op just because you said the winny didnt affect your test levels so you didnt need pct, how do you know it didnt affect it? did you get bloodwork done pre and post cycle? no? well then you dont know if it affected your test level, i'd bet money that it did affect it, pct is done after any and all aas cycle

also winny wont make you cut like you said, it wont shed bodyfat, it will however give some nice strenght gains and possibly dry you out, but you wont notice this unless your bodyfat is already low

[warmouth]

Your diet depends whether you cut or bulk not the compound, sure some compounds will build more mass then others but it soley rely's on what you put in your mouth. You should always run test as a base to any cycle.

Should I start my PCT after my Prop only or wait until I begin to stack the winny with the prop?

This question confuses me. Your adding the winny to your current cycle of prop right ?

from memory winny has a very short half life so you could run it right up to the day before pct

i think test prop needs to be stopped 2-3 days before PCT

Perfect! I am going to use the winny to stack with the Prop the last 4 weeks just to try to shred some excess in the midsection and just harden up and dry out. I plan to cut way back on my protien, calorie and carb intake as well and finally work in some cardio a few times a week. I have put on 25 lbs in 1.5 months and want to rapidly get to 190 and maintain that for a few weeks, then cut back down to 175. I think I will have the look I want then and 175 would be much easier to maintain. Thank you.

[DanB]

Yeah, I have the Nolva and thats been my plan all along. The guy at GNC said their stuff was way better and it just made me think.

LMAO no offense but your very naive, what age are you? honestly?

of course he will say its better, he is a sales man its his job, he will hardly admit to it being crap will he

[warmouth]

pct day after last dose of winny

or 3 days after last pin of prop

or prop then another 2 days winny then pct, all the same however you twist it

op just because you said the winny didnt affect your test levels so you didnt need pct, how do you know it didnt affect it? did you get bloodwork done pre and post cycle? no? well then you dont know if it affected your test level, i'd bet money that it did affect it, pct is done after any and all aas cycle

also winny wont make you cut like you said, it wont shed bodyfat, it will however give some nice strenght gains and possibly dry you out, but you wont notice this unless your bodyfat is already low

I did have bloodwark done. I was at 400ish. halfway through winny, I was at about the same. The first time I cycled on Winny, My muscles became really defined and I dried out good. I want my abs to poke out though and that it where I want to head for once I get the bulk Iam looking to get. I am going to have my bloodwork re tested 2 weeks after my Prop just for curiosity.

[DanB]

so your borderline low test already, about the same or lower? I find it hard to believe that you claim it didnt supress endogenous testosterone as it does with virtually everybody else unless your running very low dosages

no point getting bloodwork done 2 weeks after you finish prop, you will be doing pct, you need wait minimum 4-6 weeks post pct to get a true reading

and your goals for this cycle are very unrealistic, if you are putting on/dropping that much weight in such a short space of time then it is water and your only fooling yourself

[warmouth]

LMAO no offense but your very naive, what age are you? honestly?

of course he will say its better, he is a sales man its his job, he will hardly admit to it being crap will he

Why would you say I am naive? I am asking you "professionals" what yall take is on it, not that I bought it. The Nolva isnt covered by insurance and is over 200 bucks. The A-HD is 50 bucks. I am asking you guys what you think of it. I am 30, highly educated, business owner for 12 years. I am not a retard. I figured since you "legal" abusers know more about this stuff than myself, I would ask opinions of pros, not fat guys that work at GNC. Might want to re read the original post again.

[warmouth]

so your borderline low test already, about the same or lower? I find it hard to believe that you claim it didnt supress endogenous testosterone as it does with virtually everybody else unless your running very low dosages

no point getting bloodwork done 2 weeks after you finish prop, you will be doing pct, you need wait minimum 4-6 weeks post pct to get a true reading

Well, I was tested for low t and my results were 400 ish. Then I started the winny because a friend had extra(I hate needles and was pretty much begged to try it) and a few weeks in, I had more bloodwork scheduled to see if my Axiron was working. I hadnt taken it at all because I didnt know how it would effect the winny. So for me, the levels stayed pretty close to the same as the original test. Now during the PCT, are the natural test levels so low that that is the reason I shouldnt get it retested?

[DanB]

Why would you say I am naive? I am asking you "professionals" what yall take is on it, not that I bought it. The Nolva isnt covered by insurance and is over 200 bucks. The A-HD is 50 bucks. I am asking you guys what you think of it. I am 30, highly educated, business owner for 12 years. I am not a retard. I figured since you "legal" abusers know more about this stuff than myself, I would ask opinions of pros, not fat guys that work at GNC. Might want to re read the original post again.

you asked a salesman if his product is better then a rival, what answer to you think you will get?

go into bmw (gnc) tell them you want a new car, then ask if the audi a4 (nolva) is better then their 3series, what you think the answer from the bmw salesman will be?

but all this is meaningless because if your on trt then pct isnt necessary, you should of stated this in your orginal post

[warmouth]

you asked a salesman if his product is better then a rival, what answer to you think you will get?

go into bmw (gnc) tell them you want a new car, then ask if the audi a4 (nolva) is better then their 3series, what you think the answer from the bmw salesman will be?

but all this is meaningless because if your on trt then pct isnt necessary, you should of stated this in your orginal post

Really? So if I am on Axiron (which is testosterone, just topical), I wont need a PCT? Just take it as directed? If that is the case, that answers all of my concerns. So it would be pointless for me to use the Nolva while on Axiron? Thank you!

[DanB]

but you should still use something to regulate estrogen on cycle, armidex or aromasin, aromasin is better choice here since you wont be running a pct as its a sucide inhibitor and in turn no possible rebound to concern yourself about

I'd say your doc will know in a second when he see's BW between now and 4-6 weeks after your cycle that you have ''self pescribed''

Estradiol and free test levels will be massively out of range i.m.o or at least out or range, if not by as great a margin as I first suggested

Thats only if you have BW scheduled

and thats not even mentioning the possible gyno.............