Hardening Cycle - Old member back from the abyss

[Slapshot_1]

Hey there fellow Juice-Pigs. Slapshot here... I was a regular here 10+ years ago. Not like a prolific poster... point is I'm back and looking for some advice.

Stats/Experience
Age: 35
Height: 6'4"
Weight: 251.1 (as of 2 hours ago)
BF: 15%??? (who knows, I don't have calipers. I have a mirror and I'm too fat for my liking... coming off a bulking cycle.)
Steroid experience: 3 cycles in the last 12 months ... (one 15 week cycle last summer, 2 six week cycles over the winter)... 5-6 cycles during my mid 20s

Cycle
Masteron 75mgs EOD 10 weeks
Primo 400mgs/week 10 weeks
Winny 50mgs/day 6.5 weeks (that's all I have and I want to be nice to the the old liver)
Proviron 25mgs/day 12 weeks

PCT
10 days after last Primo inj...
Clomid 100mgs/ed for 1 week then 50mgs/ed for 1 week
HCG 1000iu/ed for 5 days

Any feedback including acknowledging that this cycle works would be much appreciated.

[GORILLAslap]

IMO i would pick 1 compound to run with test, maybe tren since you are wanting a "hardening" cycle tren and a low dose of test would be sufficient

less pinning

and your pct looks like it needs some help, standard pct= novaldex- 40/40/20/20 clomid -100/50/50/50

and you need to take more time in between cycles broskie lol

[GORILLAslap]

what does your training/diet look like

and have you been lifting in the last 6 months?

[Slapshot_1]

Don't want to run test this time around; test doesn't work as good on lower calorie diets... will save the test for bulking cycle in the fall/winter. Pinning is a pain, but not a consideration. It hate to say it because I love test (sust/omna/whatever)... but not gonna run it here I don't think.

Don't want to run tren either... similar results as Masteron and Mast is "healthier" ... fewer sides

9 years wasn't enough?!? j/k I'm off twice as much time than I am on... which is more than enough IMO.

I train all the time mang... 5 times a week, every week. Always have/always will. How I train depends on my body/injuries... I play other sports and work hard... sometimes it's too much.

Diet is solid and a totally different conversation.

[Slapshot_1]

Probably not twice as much time off as on, but more time off than on...

[Capebuffalo]

Have you ran a cycle without any test before? How was the libido?

[Slapshot_1]

Have you ran a cycle without any test before? How was the libido?

Have never ran without Test... Not too worried about libido with Mast & Proviron... I can tell you I was doing 1.5g of Test a week with 600mgs of Deca and d-Bol; my libido was nil.

[rvca]

Agree with.gorilla slap

[MickeyKnox]

X3 for Gorillia.

and i would run your hcg on cycle @ 250 2/wk. you have 5k of it why not run it out on cycle instead of blasting it way over the 500 mark? (promotes gyno over 500iu)

[thephil]

X3 for Gorillia.

and i would run your hcg on cycle @ 250 2/wk. you have 5k of it why not run it out on cycle instead of blasting it way over the 500 mark? (promotes gyno over 500iu)

Agreed on the HCG and definetly need to work on your pct

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[thephil]

And you need to wait longer to start pct after primo... 14days i think it is cuz its a long easter

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[Slapshot_1]

Well kids the PCT advice has been awesome... trolled around and did some research and will try a different PCT regimen. I never touched HCG when I juiced 10 years ago so researching it has been interesting to say the least.

What I'm not getting is any good reason to change my cycle. You're just telling me to do a totally different cycle... Jus saying

I put some thought into this... I see Primo/Winny cutting cycles all over the place... I'm adding Masteron because it has a similar chemical comp (dihydrotestosterone based), but a shorter acting test ester attached (prop instead of enth), and therefore quicker results. Also considering my size (250+) and experience (10+ cycles) 400mgs a week of primo isn't much... so I'm adding a similar chem to (in the words of M.A.R.R.S) "pump up the volume" to ensure effectiveness.

Thoughts, opinions, love notes???

[thephil]

If you REALY dont want to do test then the cycle looks ok imo but test would make it better. Definetly need to fix pct.

Sample pct (dont have to do that one but one similar would be a good idea)

HCG 250ius 2x a week throughout cycle
Up until 3 days before pct
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20

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[Slapshot_1]

Thanks to all who responded. I'm gonna keep the cycle way it is... you almost convinced me to run some test since I have some kicking around, but I talked to some other buddies of mine and I think this works well. Someone else todl me to use igf1... hmm, probably not

PCT.... I'm gonna get some nolva and run a similar dose to what Phil and GS suggested.
HCG... gonna do more homework and figure out what I want to do with this supp... what you guys said will ensure that I do my own homework and figure out the consensus on HCG for steroid users.

Not starting this cycle for 6 weeks since I'm still in PCT from my last cycle, but I'll be sure to keep you posted.

[Slapshot_1]

Just an update... I've been off for 7 weeks now and recovering from what was a pretty hard crash post 6 weeks of Sust/winny/masteron cycle. I think the problem was not being fully recovered from the previous cycle. I only took six weeks off after six weeks of 750 omna, 750 sust, 600 deca/week.

I had a bit of a gyno scare the week after my last injection (sore puffy nips).. so I ran more nolva (along with the clomid)... 3.5 weeks after my last injection my test was still quite low so I ran hcg for 10 days and it cleared up most of the acne, returned my balls to normal size and brought back my libido. I haven't got my bloodwork done since, but will make sure it's normal before starting another cycle.

So it'll turn out that I'll be off for probably be off for 9 weeks which is just the healthy thing to do at this point.

Still thinking about running test instead of Masteron...

Thanks again for the help. Will keep you posted.