PCT question, on cycle too.....

[noworriesman]

hey guys. i know everyone here gets sick of questions asked that are already answered but, there is a lot of information to go threw!

im running test cyp 500mg per week. tren ace 200mg per week. (starting with low dose. may stick with it. no negative sides so far) for 10-12 weeks

i got my HCG and planning on getting nolva. i read that for test cyp. the PCT should start 18 days after last injection. i also read that hcg should be used at end of cycle but, i am unclear of when to start it.

also read the debate on nolva actually supressing estrogen or not??? im confused...

MY QUESTIONS ARE:
so am i correct in starting nolva 18 days after last injection?
should a AI be taken while on cycle to moderate estrogen levels so i am not combating very high levels at the end?
where does the HCG best come in? while still on cycle? does hcg use stop when nolva starts?


any help would be great. happy training friends!

[JHeisman1]

hcg can be ran multiple ways, either during cycle to prevent testicular atrophy [usually around 250iu every 2 to 3 days or so] or for PCT [tons of protocols, i dont like any of em but seems as though consensus is around 2500iu every 3 days or so for 2 to 3 weeks- a similar protocol has been created by endocrinologist in europe and is accessible in medical literature throught pubmed]. Trouble is, a lot of sources claim leydig de-sensitivity to LH if use more than 500iu of HCG [remember, HCG is acting like LH to the testicular leydig cells]. Caution should be used with PCT HCG IMHO, i'm personally against it.

Nolva: yes a SERM, doesnt do anything to estrogen. It binds the receptor, competing with estrogen for the receptor. Technically Nolva doesnt do it actually, a metabolite of nolva that forms after it passes throught the liver does this. On bone and in uterus of women, nolva acts like estrogen [bad for uterus, good for bone as estrogen makes bones stronger to say it simply]. On breast tissue and most other places, it is an estrogen antagonist to oppose estrogen and prevent gyno, etc.

How many days does it take for anabolics to get into ur system and work [anabolics go into cell nucleus and cause transcription of DNA to make more protein, etc which is usually around 14-21 days] which is the same amount of time u should start ur PCT at the end. 18 days is a fair estimate. Good luck amigo...

[noworriesman]

gracias.

still looking to hear about when to run the HCG for post cycle

should i run AI on cycle?

[noworriesman]

bump

[DYMONDZ452]

Hi, my name is dymond and i am new to the form and will be needing some help with this. WANT TO BURN FAT AND BUILD MUSCLE have been working out for a little over a yr lost weight but need and want to tone dont know where to start! Good night

[papa-g]

Hi, my name is dymond and i am new to the form and will be needing some help with this. WANT TO BURN FAT AND BUILD MUSCLE have been working out for a little over a yr lost weight but need and want to tone dont know where to start! Good night

Even tho u hijacked this thread, what ate your stats: hight. Weight, bf%. What's your diet like. Tell us more. Preferably by starting your own thread and by asking this question but out up those stats so more people can help. Best if luck.

[noworriesman]

Hi, my name is dymond and i am new to the form and will be needing some help with this. WANT TO BURN FAT AND BUILD MUSCLE have been working out for a little over a yr lost weight but need and want to tone dont know where to start! Good night

yes, please start your own thread bro! lol.

im looking for some pct help here...

[noworriesman]

found your answer

HCG (Human Chorionic Gonadotropin ) : HCG is a replacement for your natural LH (luteinizing hormone). LH is what your body produces to tell your testicles to produce natural testosterone. LH levels drop when using AAS (HPTA suppression). Using HCG while on cycle prevents testicular shrinkage, speeding PCT when the time comes. Using Nolva while using HCG helps stop HCG from de-sensitizing your testicles to natural LH. In my opinion, any decent cycle/PCT should include HCG. It has been suggested to me that HCG can be used throughout a cycle at 500iu E4D, but im unsure of this from practical experience. The most favorable way is to use it in the last couple weeks of your cycle at a higher dose, like 500iu ED. The trick is to end the use of HCG just as the last AAS is running out of your system. So, 3 weeks before the the last ester leaves your blood, you would start the HCG/nolva combo. HCG at about 500iu ED and Nolva 20mg ED. This is done before Nolva/aromasin (for example) PCT starts, and runs about a few weeks longer than the end of the HCG. Always include Nolva with your HCG, they work together well. Be careful not to overdose on HCG and permanently desenstize your testicles to LH. HCG has an active life of about 3 days. Vitamin E is a booster, read the next one :

Vitamin E : As Anthony Roberts pointed out to me, vitamin E increases the response to HCG. This may be useful in making the low doses of HCG we use more effective at growing back shrunken testicles. Doses can be generally 1000iu a day while using HCG.

[noworriesman]

why thank you self! this is very informative and just what i needed!


leaves me with one question. what are thoughts on running an AI if not having any estregon related sides? preventative matinence or a waste???

[Deeez]

Read swiftos sticky on this great info

[Stosh_112]

Yes use an AI during cycle, even if no sides are apparent it will help prevent them. Liq Dex seems to be the top choice.