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    2nd Cycle Test Enth & Dbol Log

    Hey there, well after spending some time finding a way to get legit gear after being ripped off and wasting 7 weeks injecting god knows what, I'm starting my second cycle.

    I guess i will start with my stats, outline my diet and then add updates from here on till the end .

    Stats
    Age: 22
    Starting weight: 103kg(226lbs)
    Current Weight: 107kg(235lbs)
    Height: 5ft11-6ft
    BF: my guess is around the 15% mark.
    Years training: coming up to 10 years but the more serious part for 5 years.

    Cycle: started on wednesday the 21st of march
    Test enanthenate: 600mg/week for 10-12 weeks depending on gains.
    Dianabol: 80mg/day for 4 weeks.

    PCT items:
    Nolvadex
    Aromasin(ordered)
    Arimidex(just incase the aromasin doesnt arrive)


    Nolva 20mg/day weeks 1-4
    Aromasin 20mg/day weeks 1-4


    Diet
    (Being increased this week, will update when I've completed necessary changes)

    1) 2 scoops WPI 60g of oats, ½ apple, 30g almonds Handful of sultanas
    2) 4 eggs 2 slices of toast 200ml pineapple juice
    3) 185g of tuna(chilli) 1 cup of brown rice
    4) 1 small tin of tuna in springwater ½ avocado
    5) 2 scoops of WPI 200g yoghurt, blue berries.
    6) 250g lean beef 100g pasta, pasta sauce
    7) 250g of cottage cheese, handful of almonds

    Uhmm So where to start
    I had my first Jab last wednesday and MY GOD the pain was insane, i thought i had an infection as the top part of my right buttock inflamed and was visibly bright red for about 5 days and felt hard, but was not different in temperature to the rest of body.
    Made it near impossible to get into my friends 4wd or get in and out of my car because its low to the ground.
    It made me kind of worried, but im aware that when you have an infection a fever usually comes with it and i also thought to myself it could be virgin muscle because it has been a couple years since i last tried testosterone, but the Jab in my other cheek didnt hurt at all and doesnt really have much pain at all, so maybe my friend just put it in the wrong place by accident this time.

    the swelling on the right side has gone right down and is not visibly red anymore, but im going to inject into my delt next time just to give that side a while from rotation.

    Since starting last wednesday ive already gained about 3kg, but it seams i have hurt both my anterior delts from pushing overly heavy weights in the week coming up to my cycle, so im just going to take it easy and let the pain subside and work on strengthening them more, while my recovery rate is boosted.

    anyway any thoughts or suggestions on my cycle feel free to comment.

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    i like your diet,but i my self would have to have a whole chicken added to your diet to LOVE it.lol i love my chicken dude.peace

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    haha, i often swap my dinners for chicken, it really just depends on how destroyed i am after working out, with my new training partner, hes insanely good motivator, pushes me way beyond my limits, i just think i have to take it a little slower to let my shoulders heal up.

    My hunger has steadily increased since day 1 with the Dbol, being day 7 now.

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    80mg of dbol is high. Y so much 50mg is plenty

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    Quote Originally Posted by phoenix44 View Post
    80mg of dbol is high. Y so much 50mg is plenty
    I do agree with you from all the reading and research I've done on peoples cycling, My friend suggested that dose to me as hes very experienced at AAS.. 118kg at about 8%(full set of abs)

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    So i had my third injection yesterday, i went for my delt.
    everything was painless, was awake for a couple hours before bed, had a hot shower to help it along.
    Get up this morning, bam virgin muscle pain, only noticed when i went to roll over in bed and felt the pain and then getting up when i reached for my phone.

    Gym last night was a chest session.
    I didnt really feel any insane pumps, but everything did seam a little easier and im still trying to take it easy for both my shoulders its just make it hard when i jump on bench and it was all very easy, so i just focused on muscle contraction.

    I have Legs tonight, should be insane like last weeks.

    Also hunger has been increasing alot.

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    i don't like any of it..your cycle, diet and pct. but i'll be following along. i'm on the same cycle.

    good luck..

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    What dont you like?
    are you on the same dose?

    any tips are appreciated

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    i love it.keep us posted on your progress.i love my d-bol.my stack abit diff,d-bol,trebola75,deca.my diet same as yours give or take.i take just a novaldex in between cycles and have massive gains without any bad sideafects

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    I did legs yesterday and my strength has already been on the increase, i did squats 485lb for 8 reps.
    which was a PB for me since i broke my vertebrae a few years ago.
    Definitely noticing the pump now, my legs felt so solid that i looked funny walking around the gym.
    sitting at 108kg(237lbs) right now, but im going to start doing 45 minutes of walking a day keeping my heart rate around 130 to combat some of the fat ive gained and with the help of the test i should drop it all really quickly.

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    WELL done on your pb. make sure you warm up .off to the gym in a hour.not in the mood today.but that will all change once iam at the gym.peace

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    so with some updates.

    The pumps im feeling are pretty good definitely painful pumps, i did calves last night and found them feeling like they were going to blow out.
    I am noticeably bigger now according to alot of people at gym, alot of the guys my age have started to ask me about it.

    My weight hasnt gone up, but i havnt jumped on the scales today and ive been doing a decent amount of cardio 30-40 minute walk on the soft sand at the beach and 45 minutes on the treadmill at gym.

    Appetite is going up, im starting to wake up starving even when im having the casein protein before bed, to which im thinking of the possibility of getting up at 5am to have a protein shake so i can go back to bed for a few more hours rather than tossing and turning because im half awake and my stomachs rumbling

    Lifts are great, ive still got a mild shoulder injury on both shoulders but i definitely noticed it with legs where my squats have gone to 250kg(550lbs) for 4 reps.

    My diet still needs some tweaking as im looking to lean up slightly, but im thinking the walking on its own should do that.

    anyway i will keep on training and eating and keep who evers out there reading up to date.

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    your not going to lean up on that diet and 80mg of dbol and no ai
    you shoudl be using an ai on cycle not pct
    that pct is very week
    80mgs of dbol is a waste imo. more side effect will very little more gain over a normal dose.
    If people can't tell your on steroids then your doing them wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixxerboy1 View Post
    your not going to lean up on that diet and 80mg of dbol and no ai
    you shoudl be using an ai on cycle not pct
    that pct is very week
    80mgs of dbol is a waste imo. more side effect will very little more gain over a normal dose.
    yea I had a good think about it from what i've been reading on dbol cycles and i was contemplating dropping it down more due to liver toxicity and running it for 6 weeks at a lower dose, 4 weeks is sufficient though really as the test kicks in around then.

    For the PCT i also have HCG, Clen, anavar although i know the last 2 do nothing for restarting my testosterone levels, i figured the clen could help with catabolism.
    But i am unsure if anavar use is a good idea at all in PCT, so i may just leave that for another time.

    as for the PCT ive had this one in mind written by Pinnacle, mainly because i have everything but the vitamin E and the science behind it makes sense.

    Week Nolvadex HCG Aromasin Vitamin E
    1 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
    2 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
    3 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
    4 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
    5 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
    6 20mgs/day

    And as for leaning up, towards the end of my cycle I'm going to have my nutritionist alter my diet so that its easier to cut down some body fat.
    Last edited by 0tolerance; 04-02-2012 at 06:12 PM.

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    back in september last year i managed to hurt my teres major, which gave me alot of pain, i thought it was a broken rib but i hadnt done anything to break a rib.
    Anyway the reason i brought this up as i managed to stir it up a little last night doing back at the gym.
    Every now and then it gives me some grief, nothing too bad and the pain subsides within a day but its just an annoying problem that wont go away even with all the stretches i do every day for it.

    My back session consisted of
    3 sets of pull up till failure
    bent over barbell row 5 sets 12 reps
    Lateral pull down behind the head 5 sets 12 reps
    seated row 3 sets 12 reps
    close grip chin ups
    and one other exercise that has slipped my mind.

    Strength is going well with all my exercises im not pushing myself too hard because of my shoulder injuries but i am slowly progressing along, but im more focused on the propper contraction and movement. As kai greene put it i will never be a weight lifter.

    Diet has changed and i will put up a copy of it for you all to see when i next get the chance.

    Weight has dropped down a little to 106.5kg, but im actually appearing to be a little more lean with a few more veins showing and the ole 6 pack starting to make a come back.

    Also i have dropped my Dianabol dose down to 60mg a day to keep my body a bit more healthy and as ive read numerous times and others have suggested that more often isnt really that much better, so with the dbol that i have left i will just take it for a little bit longer.

    AND that anavar i had... yea i wont be taking that, my friend and i have the same ones and they are caps.
    Anyway she had to split the cap into 2 because they are 25mg caps and she only needs 12.5mg so she pops a cap open and theres weevils inside it because the guys used flour as a filler.. god damn, so i popped open some.... nothing, then i decided well i believe her so i ripped them all open.. after the first few lucky ones all the rest had weevils in them, i sent the guy a lovely video of all these little wriggling maggot looking things and then said id be expecting my money back.

    Thank god i got the rest of my gear from some where else and only the anavar from him.

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    Keep us posted I love to read about results

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    Another update.
    So ive had a complete over haul of my work out routine, its quite tiring but i feel it will be worth while in the end.
    calves every day, 4-5 different exercises per body part with 5 sets and 8 reps per part.

    Ive gain a slight amount of weight, going just over 107kg, but yet again with the walking i appear to be more vascular and im not sure if id call it leaner or just me visualising it that way but i am heading for a lower body fat, just wish my gym had calipers and i didnt leave mine in another country.

    Strength has increased alot, tonight did 140kg on bench for 8 and then 40kg dumbells on incline like they were nothing, but maintaining the squeeze at the top.

    My appetite is starting to become... well i wouldnt call it annoying, but its definitely hugely increased, i can eat most meals and feel hungry again within 10 minutes or so.

    the shoulder injury is still present, but its not proving to be a problem if i just maintain a medium weight and controlled form.

    Also its week 3 tomorrow and ive noticed that my sex drive has begun to increase and all those girls i swore id never call again are surfacing on my recent call list.

    Also im taking 12.5mg of aromasin eod as suggested, will see if it reduces some of the bloat from the dbol as ive noticed my shoulder definition has faded.

    Im undecided whether i should just take my dbol till i run out of the stuff, which would probably push me to around.. week 5 or close to 6 or just drop it at week 4, its definitely been a plus to my cycle for the beginning.

    Any thoughts on this?

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    Im conservative when it comes to dosing, I at 5'11 210lbs at 8% ran 60mg Dbol and barely felt anything, rather than raise my dose, i opted to use A-bombs 50mg ED next cycle.... twice the gain. I also had a shoulder injury about 4 years ago, and Ill tell you that they are nothing to play around with. Respect your body if you want this nice body for a while. Remeber, your shoulders are worked almost everyday but Legs day. On another note, IMO, dont concern yourself with BF on a bulk. bulk if youre gonna bulk, cut if u wanna cut. dont do both half assed, youll waste your own time. And dont be affraid to eat dirty on a bulk, look at Branch Warren, the king of beef. seems like youre motivated, and thats the main thing. Best of Luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by phoenix44 View Post
    80mg of dbol is high. Y so much 50mg is plenty
    Gear is like diet my friend, higher weight translates to higher dosing. It takes more to make a diff at 150kg than 75kg, ya dig?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyKnox View Post
    i don't like any of it..your cycle, diet and pct. but i'll be following along. i'm on the same cycle.

    good luck..
    Elaborate please. You stated that you didn't like his diet, cycle, and pct. Yet you also said your on the same cycle.

    ???

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    With this cycle, i was more hoping along the lines for the higher test levels to strip alot of the fat down, but mainly just so i have my abs back nothing super lean because itd be a waste and too hard to maintain, but i have been bulking since de***ber last year.
    But i still am some what bulking, i wouldnt call my diet anything close to a cutting diet, but ive always responded well to minor diet changes mixed with walking.

    And ive definitely been looking after my shoulders, i did a rotator cuff when i was about 19 and ever since then ive been religiously doing the exercises because i never wanted to do that again, which why possibly i hurt my anterior delt this time rather than my rotator cuff.

    And Misery13, his statement confused me aswell... he doesnt like it but is using the same cycle??

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    week four tomorrow.
    Updates, well im going to use the remainder of my dbol because its only going to get me to half way through week 4.

    My weight has stayed at the 107-108kg mark, but im noticably more vascular in the shoulders and chest, my abs are showing through alot better and im close to having a 6 pack again, people have also been commenting alot that i look like im filling out and getting bigger.
    my trainer is tweaking my diet slightly for me so that i can drop some fat abit quicker but keep my my growth.

    today was my back day, i beat an old pb, by doing 6 reps of 220kg dead lifts and also 140kg bent over rows for 3.
    my strength is definitely on the rise, although i have had a surge in strength i have noticed that things have progressively gotten easier to do and i feel like i could do alot more reps than my plan outlines.

    injuries have improved tremendously and im not going to take things too fast and bust them again.

    although ive been offered a job stripping, which is good money so i have to cut even more fat and quickish, so i was wondering for oppinions am i better off taking clen and t3 together or winstrol/stana tablets?
    I also tossed up tren, but i really decided that i wasnt at all ready for tren.

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    So.............what is the plan for keeping your undeveloped HPTA from being permanently shut down?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil_Doc
    Gear is like diet my friend, higher weight translates to higher dosing. It takes more to make a diff at 150kg than 75kg, ya dig?
    At 265-270lbs 50mg did plenty More is not always better!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bear 79 View Post
    So.............what is the plan for keeping your undeveloped HPTA from being permanently shut down?
    My pct as planned.

    Week Nolvadex HCG Aromasin Vitamin E
    1 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
    2 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
    3 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
    4 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
    5 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
    6 20mgs/day

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    also oppinions
    T3 100mcg/day with Clen 120mcg/day
    or
    50mg ED of stanazolol tablets

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0tolerance View Post
    My pct as planned.

    Week Nolvadex HCG Aromasin Vitamin E
    1 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
    2 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
    3 20mgs/day 500iu/day 20-25mgs/day 1000iu/day
    4 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
    5 20mgs/day 20-25mgs/day
    6 20mgs/day
    Your knowledge is insufficient, PCT will not protect your undeveloped HPTA from permanent damage while on cycle. PCT is an attempt to fix what you've done.

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    My knowledge isnt insufficient, you asked me a rhetorical question.

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    A "rhetorical question" is a question that either requires no answer or a question that has no correct answer. If you had sufficient knowledge of what you were doing, you would know the only way for someone under 25 to prevent permanent damage to their undeveloped HPTA, is to not cycle. You believed your PCT would save you from on cycle damage, otherwise you wouldn't have posted what you did when I asked my question. And by the way, HCG is best used on cycle rather than PCT...............your knowledge is insufficient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bear 79 View Post
    A "rhetorical question" is a question that either requires no answer or a question that has no correct answer. If you had sufficient knowledge of what you were doing, you would know the only way for someone under 25 to prevent permanent damage to their undeveloped HPTA, is to not cycle. You believed your PCT would save you from on cycle damage, otherwise you wouldn't have posted what you did when I asked my question. And by the way, HCG is best used on cycle rather than PCT...............your knowledge is insufficient.
    This is what made your question a rhetorical question, because im already on a cycle.
    PCT was posted because what other possible answer could i give you?

    Im not going to say im the exception like i did when i was younger on here or say that your oppinion is wrong because everyone is entitled to their opinion.
    But that said, I'm on a cycle and im asking for help/opinions, telling me that im too young became irrelevant 4 weeks ago when i made the decision to start.

    i have friends that go out drinking and end up in jail for doing something dumb, friends who got on pills and crashed their car and everyone died, friends who live perfectly healthy and have died from heart attacks, friends that have died in uncontrollable events and i guess the point im trying to make is that regardless of situation, what your taking or how you live there is a certain degree of risk to it all; i have made an informed decision from the collective knowledge ive attained over the last 9 years of reading about steroids(it took me 6 of those years to get a some what accurate depiction of AAS) there is risks and i totally agree with you and i will not discredit the research people have put behind everything they know, but at the end of the day your going to tell all the people that are 18-25 that they shouldnt cycle and they are most likely going to do it anyway with or without the help and maybe if you had given them a little more guidance the consequences would be less. Yes if the listened in the first place the consequences wouldnt be there at all, but people have to make their own mistakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0tolerance View Post
    This is what made your question a rhetorical question, because im already on a cycle.
    PCT was posted because what other possible answer could i give you? The only correct answer.................stop cycle or don't cycle. Just because you already started cycling, deodorant mean my question is "rhetorical", It may be a question that you are desperately trying to avoid, but its not rhetorical. You should look up the definition of rhetorical by the way, you're not using it correctly, there is absolutely nothing rhetorical about my question.

    Im not going to say im the exception like i did when i was younger on here or say that your oppinion is wrong because everyone is entitled to their opinion.
    But that said, I'm on a cycle and im asking for help/opinions, telling me that im too young became irrelevant 4 weeks ago when i made the decision to start.

    i have friends that go out drinking and end up in jail for doing something dumb, friends who got on pills and crashed their car and everyone died, friends who live perfectly healthy and have died from heart attacks, friends that have died in uncontrollable events and i guess the point im trying to make is that regardless of situation, what your taking or how you live there is a certain degree of risk to it all; i have made an informed decision from the collective knowledge ive attained over the last 9 years of reading about steroids(it took me 6 of those years to get a some what accurate depiction of AAS) there is risks and i totally agree with you and i will not discredit the research people have put behind everything they know, but at the end of the day your going to tell all the people that are 18-25 that they shouldnt cycle and they are most likely going to do it anyway with or without the help and maybe if you had given them a little more guidance the consequences would be less. I refuse to bear that weight on my conscience, if you're gonna go ahead with your retarded plan even after more knowledgeable advice, you will have to do so on your own, I wont be a part of that train wreck. Yes if the listened in the first place the consequences wouldnt be there at all, but people have to make their own mistakes. So after seeing so many people stick their hand in the fire & get burned, you think its a good idea to follow suit, because "people have to make their own mistakes", because its not possible to learn from other peoples mistakes...........................that's fvcking brilliant. You may get lucky, you may get fvcked, but keep in mind, just because you slip through the cracks today, doesn't mean the damage & side effects of todays "mistake" wont rear its ugly head 5 or 10 years from now, slamming you face first into a sh!t filled pile of regret. Good luck.
    See reds........

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    obviously you have your point of view and i have mine.
    I'm not going to argue the point with you because its just going to go back and forward, i appreciate the concern and advice.

    I know you must think I'm naive.
    And i'll leave it at that.

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    just as a bit of an update i got up to around the 245-250lb mark, strength increased on all exercises and i had quite impressive gains which is what my trainer said.
    currently cutting up, deciding whether to compete or not later in the year.
    I have photos but i will get back to that after my ski trip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misery13 View Post
    Elaborate please. You stated that you didn't like his diet, cycle, and pct. Yet you also said your on the same cycle.

    ???
    i meant test e and dbol. not the same dosing.

    i didn't like any of it and still don't. but Bear pretty much covered his pct quite eloquently. and Gixxer was bang on with his diet comment...OP changed it didn't he? and he still gained 15lbs while he was attempting to cut. enough said.

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