Arimidex hindering gains and strength?

[Wayacrucis]

I'm currently contemplating whether I should take Adex at 0.25 EOD during my cycle or not. I'm 4 weeks into my cycle (Test E 500MG/week, DBOL 50MG/ED). I started Adex during day one and I was 10 days in my cycle and I felt absolutely no strength gains. According to most of the feedback I've heard from DBOL, Its supposed to have almost immediate effect, especially at 50mg ED. So I stopped taking Adex for a week and strength shot up and so did my weight. I saw some minor gyno symptoms a couple of days ago so I took some adex in the morning, and BAM! felt 10-15% weaker in the gym again.


Anyways I've stopped taking Adex and my strength is increasing again. Weight has been gradually increasing so far, but when I take adex I'm substantially weaker and feel tired in the gym. My nipples look a bit awkward through a T-Shirt, they are both slightly pointed to their matching shoulder. However, I haven't had any actual internal symptoms, I'm not feeling any extra lumps within the chest, pain, itchyness or any irritation. What do you guys suggest I do? I'm pretty sure 0.25 EOD is a very low dose, so I'm not sure why its having such significant impact on me :/

[bjpennnn]

I do not feel it hinders gains. You will lose some water weight but i dont give a shit about that anyways.

[chuckt12345]

if you dont need it dont use it

[Mooseman33]

i wont cycle without it...
strength come and goes, those big nipps ur now sporting are there till surgery...

easy choice for me.....

try .25 every third day...

[Chev]

I'm currently contemplating whether I should take Adex at 0.25 EOD during my cycle or not. I'm 4 weeks into my cycle (Test E 500MG/week, DBOL 50MG/ED). I started Adex during day one and I was 10 days in my cycle and I felt absolutely no strength gains. According to most of the feedback I've heard from DBOL, Its supposed to have almost immediate effect, especially at 50mg ED. So I stopped taking Adex for a week and strength shot up and so did my weight. I saw some minor gyno symptoms a couple of days ago so I took some adex in the morning, and BAM! felt 10-15% weaker in the gym again.


Anyways I've stopped taking Adex and my strength is increasing again. Weight has been gradually increasing so far, but when I take adex I'm substantially weaker and feel tired in the gym. My nipples look a bit awkward through a T-Shirt, they are both slightly pointed to their matching shoulder. However, I haven't had any actual internal symptoms, I'm not feeling any extra lumps within the chest, pain, itchyness or any irritation. What do you guys suggest I do? I'm pretty sure 0.25 EOD is a very low dose, so I'm not sure why its having such significant impact on me :/

Good question, ive been struggling with gains this go round also. Although im not gyno prone. Anyone else with feed back?

[c-Z]

Maybe it isn't the armidex and actually your diet hindering your gains?

[bjpennnn]

Maybe it isn't the armidex and actually your diet hindering your gains?

good point, you know when you start putting on new muscle you need to up your cals as well.

[Wayacrucis]

Maybe it isn't the armidex and actually your diet hindering your gains?

Diet macros look like this:

300-330g Protein
3000-3500 Calories

Stats:

6'0, 213lbs (Started at 200lbs)

What I mean to say is I was expecting grow faster. Keep in mind this is my first cycle and I hit the first day of the 4th week mark today, so I think my test E hasn't kicked in yet. However, I was expecting better strength gains while on dianabol, all my lifts have improved, and I've gained about 13lbs without much bloat. The main problem is that I only moved up 3lbs while taking d-bol for 10 days at 50mg. During this time period I was taking adex, but when I stopped using adex weight shot up and so did strength and overall well being feeling @ the gym.

[c-Z]

Everyone reacts differently to dbol.. I personally hate it. And test E may not have kicked in. if your up 13lbs already in 4 weeks of test e. Then I would say that is pretty damn good.....That's over 3 lbs a week..... Whats to complain about?

[Jumbo18]

Just a question what did you not like about dbol c-Z?

[bigpapabuff]

an ai may hinder your gains, but I think its a small price to pay for not getting gyno.

[Ronnie Rowland]

I'm currently contemplating whether I should take Adex at 0.25 EOD during my cycle or not. I'm 4 weeks into my cycle (Test E 500MG/week, DBOL 50MG/ED). I started Adex during day one and I was 10 days in my cycle and I felt absolutely no strength gains. According to most of the feedback I've heard from DBOL, Its supposed to have almost immediate effect, especially at 50mg ED. So I stopped taking Adex for a week and strength shot up and so did my weight. I saw some minor gyno symptoms a couple of days ago so I took some adex in the morning, and BAM! felt 10-15% weaker in the gym again.


Anyways I've stopped taking Adex and my strength is increasing again. Weight has been gradually increasing so far, but when I take adex I'm substantially weaker and feel tired in the gym. My nipples look a bit awkward through a T-Shirt, they are both slightly pointed to their matching shoulder. However, I haven't had any actual internal symptoms, I'm not feeling any extra lumps within the chest, pain, itchyness or any irritation. What do you guys suggest I do? I'm pretty sure 0.25 EOD is a very low dose, so I'm not sure why its having such significant impact on me :/

'll bet your sex drive went down as well didn't it? Adex is best left for cutting cycles if at all possible as it can hold back gains and cause permanent joint problems. I'll take some gyno over joint problems any day.

[LiftedDuramax2007]

an ai may hinder your gains, but I think its a small price to pay for not getting gyno.

Defintely, tits or no tits that is the question LOL

[liftw8t]

'll bet your sex drive went down as well didn't it? Adex is best left for cutting cycles if at all possible as it can hold back gains and cause permanent joint problems. I'll take some gyno over joint problems any day.

really is this experienced with all AI's? I see alot of people using AI for contest prep, but how do you feel about using AI E3D to prevent sides?

[mg1228]

'll bet your sex drive went down as well didn't it? Adex is best left for cutting cycles if at all possible as it can hold back gains and cause permanent joint problems. I'll take some gyno over joint problems any day.

are u saying a-dex will suppress libido? im 5 weeks into test e 500mg a week---switched to prop in the 5th week which was monday---had no real increase in libido and been on l-dex at .125mg ed since week 2

[JScondition]

I saw some minor gyno symptoms a couple of days ago so I took some adex in the morning, and BAM! felt 10-15% weaker in the gym again.

Did the gyno symptoms subside?

[Ronnie Rowland]

really is this experienced with all AI's? I see alot of people using AI for contest prep, but how do you feel about using AI E3D to prevent sides?

e3d would be better than ed or eod in regards to allowing your body to produce more estrogen but some have theorized you need to take anti-es ed inorder for them to be effective as taking them on an infrequent basis could cause and estrogen rebound-hence making gyno worse than not using any anties at all.

Also, I have read some where that taking anties actually makes estrogen receptors more sensitive which makes you more prone to gyno in future cycles. In my mind, I associate an increase in estrogen receptor sensitivity as cancer promoting. I'm not saying theres any truth to that whatsoever as no one probably knows either way at this time, but it does make one wonder.

One thing is for certain, anti-cancer drugs are very powerful and anyone who partakes in using them should not do so lightly. They scare the heck out of me because I tend to get all of the listed side effects at very low dosages! Some people tend to worry about taking moderately high dosages of testosterone which occurs naturally in our body yet think nothing about taking clenbuterol and anties. It's the drugs like clen and anties that really concern me. This is just my personal thoughts and opinions!

[Ronnie Rowland]

are u saying a-dex will suppress libido? im 5 weeks into test e 500mg a week---switched to prop in the 5th week which was monday---had no real increase in libido and been on l-dex at .125mg ed since week 2

Only one tiny drop of arimidex ed will destroy my sex drive regardless of how much test I am using. My wife has banned me from ever using it again!

[Wayacrucis]

Only one tiny drop of arimidex ed will destroy my sex drive regardless of how much test I am using. My wife has banned me from ever using it again!

Amen to this! No more adex for me


Kinda offtopic but I have a question in regards to Test E. During a 10 week cycle, if it takes approx 4-5 weeks for Test-E just to kick in does the user gain a substantial amount of strength and increase muscle mass in just 5 weeks?

[Jumbo18]

Ronnie Rowland:

I understand you say arimidex can hinder your gains but i need your opinion. I was running 400mg of test a week and hcg 350iu 2x week, split into two doses and i started feeling very fatigued around week 3, and my sex drive never went up, though strength gains were increasing and so was my size. I was lethargic most of the time throughout the day, and my confidence was not at an all time high. I got a blood test and my estradiol levels came out to 226 pmol/L and the reference range is 0-161 pmol/L. Therefore my e2 levels were high and i stopped the cycle at week 6 because i didn't have an ai at hand, and was tired of feeling low energy and decreased libido. I am going to start another cycle soon this time consisting of 500mg test e, 30mg dbol, and hcg 350iu 2x week, what shall i do in regards to keeping my e2 at a good level to experience the high libido and overall sense of well being. I have liquidex on hand i grabbed from ar-r, but since you are against it shall i just fight through 10 weeks of cycle disregarding the lethargy and low sex drive to see maximum gains, or incorporate arimidex?

[TheSentinal]

I never cycle without arimdex. For me, bitch tits would be the worse possible side effect to deal with. Arimdex is a key part of my cycle. Fatigue occurs with me as well but mostly from having kick-ass workouts and not always enough sleep. After a few weeks, my RBC goes up which also causes fatigue - for me. I have never had any loss of libido on arimdex, just the opposite.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Amen to this! No more adex for me


Kinda offtopic but I have a question in regards to Test E. During a 10 week cycle, if it takes approx 4-5 weeks for Test-E just to kick in does the user gain a substantial amount of strength and increase muscle mass in just 5 weeks?

Please ask me the same question in this thread- http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=402776

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ronnie Rowland:

I understand you say arimidex can hinder your gains but i need your opinion. I was running 400mg of test a week and hcg 350iu 2x week, split into two doses and i started feeling very fatigued around week 3, and my sex drive never went up, though strength gains were increasing and so was my size. I was lethargic most of the time throughout the day, and my confidence was not at an all time high. I got a blood test and my estradiol levels came out to 226 pmol/L and the reference range is 0-161 pmol/L. Therefore my e2 levels were high and i stopped the cycle at week 6 because i didn't have an ai at hand, and was tired of feeling low energy and decreased libido. I am going to start another cycle soon this time consisting of 500mg test e, 30mg dbol, and hcg 350iu 2x week, what shall i do in regards to keeping my e2 at a good level to experience the high libido and overall sense of well being. I have liquidex on hand i grabbed from ar-r, but since you are against it shall i just fight through 10 weeks of cycle disregarding the lethargy and low sex drive to see maximum gains, or incorporate arimidex?

Did you know HCG actually increases estrogen levels and can cause lethargicness? What were your prolactin levels? I find it hard to swallow that only 500 mgs of test would kill your sex drive due to high estrogen conversion at week 3. However, if that be the case then run masteron to lower estrogen levels or you'll have to go with .025mgs of arimidex eod.

[Hard.On]

Only one tiny drop of arimidex ed will destroy my sex drive regardless of how much test I am using. My wife has banned me from ever using it again!

is this after years of including adex
or
was this always the effect adex had on you??

[Jumbo18]

Did you know HCG actually increases estrogen levels and can cause lethargicness? What were your prolactin levels? I find it hard to swallow that only 500 mgs of test would kill your sex drive due to high estrogen conversion at week 3. However, if that be the case then run masteron to lower estrogen levels or you'll have to go with .025mgs of arimidex eod.

I want to correct my post, i was actually taking hcg 3x week at 350iu. Do you suppose that would be the issue because of it's high estrogenic activity. My prolactin levels were 14 from a scale of ( <18 ug/L) the last time i checked.

I am going to run a test dbol cycle soon. I want your advice, now i hear everyone uses it as a kickstarter, but would i benefit from using it starting from week 4 where test has reached it's full peak or just stick to a kickstarter? regarding using it from weeks 4, i understand dbol raises estrogen high as well. so would i be fine at using 0.25mg EOD including the oral dbol?

shall i cut hcg out to reduce estrogenic activity? or it is fine to use if i will supplement test,dbol, hcg with arimidex 0.25mg EOD.

[stevey_6t9]

'll bet your sex drive went down as well didn't it? Adex is best left for cutting cycles if at all possible as it can hold back gains and cause permanent joint problems. I'll take some gyno over joint problems any day.

so ronnie if one is experiencing gyno during cycle and wishes to subside it, would it be better taking nolva @ 10mg ed instead of a-dex??

[BLACKTOP PETE]

a-dex killed my sex drive and made me piss like a horse.

[sweezy]

can you drop adex during cycle ? I feel that its definatly hindering my gains..I'm extremely sensitive to it..my muscles ache with .25 e3d..

[Ronnie Rowland]

is this after years of including adex
or
was this always the effect adex had on you??

It always hit me hard around day 5. It also took about 5 days of discontinuing the arimidex before my sex drive came back.

I never was able to stay on it for long because having no sex drive defeated the purpose! Only 2 weeks before a show will I consider taking an anti-es.

[Ronnie Rowland]

a-dex killed my sex drive and made me piss like a horse.

Me too...It made me piss two times as much as creatine. I thought something was wrong with my kidneys the first time I tried it.

[Ronnie Rowland]

can you drop adex during cycle ? I feel that its definatly hindering my gains..I'm extremely sensitive to it..my muscles ache with .25 e3d..

Of course you can!

[Ronnie Rowland]

so ronnie if one is experiencing gyno during cycle and wishes to subside it, would it be better taking nolva @ 10mg ed instead of a-dex??

If you can take nolva without experiencing joint pain or sexual sides then you could go with the nolva. A few people do well on drugs like arimidex, letro and aromasin but more do not. I tried them all years ago and had no luck. IMO most people are using way too much of these drugs. Many who are gyno prone find they do good by adding proviron and/or masteron. I would go with masteron as it provides muscle building effects.

[Ronnie Rowland]

I want to correct my post, i was actually taking hcg 3x week at 350iu. Do you suppose that would be the issue because of it's high estrogenic activity. My prolactin levels were 14 from a scale of ( <18 ug/L) the last time i checked.

I am going to run a test dbol cycle soon. I want your advice, now i hear everyone uses it as a kickstarter, but would i benefit from using it starting from week 4 where test has reached it's full peak or just stick to a kickstarter? regarding using it from weeks 4, i understand dbol raises estrogen high as well. so would i be fine at using 0.25mg EOD including the oral dbol?

shall i cut hcg out to reduce estrogenic activity? or it is fine to use if i will supplement test,dbol, hcg with arimidex 0.25mg EOD.

Yes, it was probably the HCG increasing your estrogen levels so fast.

D-bol can also kill your sex drive. I tried both injectable and oral version and I felt like crap and had no sex drive! You might do best sticking to higher dosages of straight testosterone. D-bol is known for elevating estogen levels big-time! You can do 0.25 mgs of adex eod with d-bol but I think your sex drive is going to be down.

I would go with straight test and use HCG post cycle and possibly during deloads. A 20 week cycle is your best bet.
I highly recommend you read through this entire thread as it explains a lot of things people keep asking- http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=402776

[BLACKTOP PETE]

right now i mix in some proviron. it seems too keep my estrogen in check. i will def. give masterone a try in the future.

[Ronnie Rowland]

so ronnie if one is experiencing gyno during cycle and wishes to subside it, would it be better taking nolva @ 10mg ed instead of a-dex??

I would try arimidex first and if that was not working I would go with nolvadex.

NOTE: You can use both arimidex and nolvadex at the same time if desired when a nipple really starts acting.

[stevey_6t9]

I would try arimidex first and if that was not working I would go with nolvadex.

good info thanks. You also state taking arimidex irregularly could result in an estrogen rebound effect, .... would 0.125mg ED be better then 0.25mg EOD?

[dec11]

e3d would be better than ed or eod in regards to allowing your body to produce more estrogen but some have theorized you need to take anti-es ed inorder for them to be effective as taking them on an infrequent basis could cause and estrogen rebound-hence making gyno worse than not using any anties at all.

Also, I have read some where that taking anties actually makes estrogen receptors more sensitive which makes you more prone to gyno in future cycles. In my mind, I associate an increase in estrogen receptor sensitivity as cancer promoting. I'm not saying theres any truth to that whatsoever as no one probably knows either way at this time, but it does make one wonder.

One thing is for certain, anti-cancer drugs are very powerful and anyone who partakes in using them should not do so lightly. They scare the heck out of me because I tend to get all of the listed side effects at very low dosages! Some people tend to worry about taking moderately high dosages of testosterone which occurs naturally in our body yet think nothing about taking clenbuterol and anties. It's the drugs like clen and anties that really concern me. This is just my personal thoughts and opinions!

well said, clen is dangerous shit and really unnessecary imho

[rocafella]

e3d would be better than ed or eod in regards to allowing your body to produce more estrogen but some have theorized you need to take anti-es ed inorder for them to be effective as taking them on an infrequent basis could cause and estrogen rebound-hence making gyno worse than not using any anties at all.

Also, I have read some where that taking anties actually makes estrogen receptors more sensitive which makes you more prone to gyno in future cycles. In my mind, I associate an increase in estrogen receptor sensitivity as cancer promoting. I'm not saying theres any truth to that whatsoever as no one probably knows either way at this time, but it does make one wonder.

One thing is for certain, anti-cancer drugs are very powerful and anyone who partakes in using them should not do so lightly. They scare the heck out of me because I tend to get all of the listed side effects at very low dosages! Some people tend to worry about taking moderately high dosages of testosterone which occurs naturally in our body yet think nothing about taking clenbuterol and anties. It's the drugs like clen and anties that really concern me. This is just my personal thoughts and opinions!

what's wrong with taking clenbuterol with anties ??

[thestreaker]

2nd what ronnie said...
my first cycle was dbol and prop. i took .5mg of arimidex twice in the first week and completely lost libido/ felt really weak. threw the stuff in the garbage, took about 4 or 5 days to feel normal again.

[stevey_6t9]

2nd what ronnie said...
my first cycle was dbol and prop. i took .5mg of arimidex twice in the first week and completely lost libido/ felt really weak. threw the stuff in the garbage, took about 4 or 5 days to feel normal again.

the shits potent. it wipes 80% of your estrogen... i think i mite stick with .125mg