Been 2 days now of hcg 1000 iu eod. My question is should you feel it start to work by now? If so should i up the dose more? I only wanna rum this for two weeks then start my serms of clom/nolva. Any help guys would be appreciated!
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Been 2 days now of hcg 1000 iu eod. My question is should you feel it start to work by now? If so should i up the dose more? I only wanna rum this for two weeks then start my serms of clom/nolva. Any help guys would be appreciated!
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If I'm not mistaken, in your original thread stpete said, "Go ahead and start your clomid and nolva at your dosages and run for 4 weeks total. For third and fourth week go 50/25 clomid and 40/20 nolva."
Meaning while waiting on the hcg to arrive, start the serms.
In the next post jasc said, "Go with St Petes protocol
your T is crashed due to insufficient pct . never use products you buy at a local supp shop for pct, they are a waste n do not work.
blasting hcg will help to reverse the atrophy which will make recovery faster. Nolva and Clomid for 4+ (see note at bottom) weeks should help you recover as much as possible.
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I do not usually advise hcg and pct at the same time as it can hinder recovery, however in your case I believe hcg will be very beneficial. If it were me I'd blast it for a week or so, until atrophy reverses. Do not run it through your whole pct. I would also extend your Nolva n Clomid use to 5 weeks for good measure.:
What I take from that is that you should have already been running the serms....run the hcg "for a week or so, until atrophy reverses," then finish out the serms as advised above, and if you've not been on the serms, I'd start tonight based on the advise from the original thread. My $0.02
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I thought your suppose ro blast hcg first then start clomid and nolva?
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The way I interpreted the advise was to blast the hcg with the clomid and nolva for ~ the first week or "until atrophy reverses," per jasc's post; after ~ 1 week or reversal of atrophy, drop hcg and continue with nolva and clomid for the remainder of your pct, with one change....also per jasc's post, "I would also extend your Nolva n Clomid use to 5 weeks for good measure"
From my reading/research, the hcg is ideally ran ON cycle and usually dropped just prior to pct. The hcg simply promotes endogenous test production while on cycle helping to reduce/eliminate atrophy by keeping your boys active, even on cycle. Plus, it should make pct much easier. The reason for coming off during pct is due to the increased likelihood of gyno from the, again, rising test levels..only its your own natty test, not exogenous, and the conversion of that excess test to estrogen.
Perhaps I'm misinterpreting the advise?? Perhaps jasc or stpete can drop in and clarify? I know if I were in your current situation I'd have blasted the hcg with clomid and nolva for the 1st week, then dropped hcg and continued nolva/clomid for another 4 weeks. Hopefully we can get some clarification on this but don't wait too long bro!! I wish you the best and please keep us posted on how this works out and how you ran your "late" pct.
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welcome.Originally Posted by Gutetime30
the reason there have not been many responses here is simply because no one really knows exactly when the hpta will restart. this is impossible to predict because everyone is different. however, there have been some medical advancements with the use of hcg to assist men wanting to have children who were unable to before.
if you search this site you will find many threads that include protocols for blasting hcg when not used on cycle. if my memory serves me, i believe Swifto has written an interesting article on blasting hcg when not used on cycle.
good luck and post your findings back here.
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Mickey can you do me a favor and post the link to swifto article please!
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Odins I will start using the serms tonight then and thanks again! I will post to everyone the results I get!
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Cool bro! Remember, ditch the hcg after about a week..don't wanna run the hcg and clomid/nolva together for the entire 4-5 weeks, just week 1.
Not sure if this is the thread Mickey was referencing but its still an awesome read on use of hcg. Looking forward to hearing back from you!
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ight=blast+hcg
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I ran 500iu twice a day ED for 5 days while running 20mg of nolvadex and today is my 5th day and i feel great. tomorrow im dropping the hcg and starting clomid/nolvadex. I started to notice a change in energy and over all mood after the first day, maybe 1000iu eod wasn't enough. Not knowing your cycle and exp its hard to say.
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I do feel better and am slowly starting to get random erections! I have started my serms now andhoping for the best!
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Id say your on the right track then, keep us posted
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How you feeling man?
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Hey guys after one whole week hcg did the trick of getting my balls back! Anyways now I've been doing the clomid and nolva protocol for 2 days now. I do feel more energized, but i feel as if i hit an overtrained state in my body when working out... I'm getting weaker! :-( i believe this is do to the low hormones if I'm not mistaken. I will post on how my bloodwork is doing and i decided to take off training the rest of the upcoming week or more until my hormones and body feel better. Any help or advice would be appreciated!
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good to hear!
post up your blood work in the TRT/HRT forum.
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Great news man. Glad to hear that things are beginning to head in the right direction for you. I'll echo Mickey's request for the blood work. Again, keep us posted and congrats on getting things turned around.
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