My Test E Tren A plan...

[voshi]

Hi guys,

First of all, I've got 2 cycles under my belt, Sus and Tren A, and Sus and Deca. Great gains on both. Maintained the majority of it both times.

Currently 205lbs, 6'0, quite lean (14% bf roughly) and haven't touched anything for 12 months.

So here's my next plan of attack:

Week 1-10: Test E - 750mg/week
Week 1-8: Tren A - 250mg/week
Week 11 - 12: Nil
Week 13 - 16: Nolvadex and Clomid as per the 40/40/20/20 and 100/100/50/50 respectively.

I have Cabergoline on hand for prolactin sides, although I've never had a problem. And I have read alot of posts about caber easing on the sweats and insomnia from Tren. Not sure how much truth is in that.

As far as AI goes, I never ran one along side tren and never had problems. I do have Letrozole on hand. I know, powerful stuff, some say too strong. But I will use this as required, depending on bloods every 2 - 3 weeks and depending on sides. And I'm talking as little as .25 e3d as not to completely destroy estro.

btw diet and workout are top notch. I know the test is alot higher than tren. this amount of tren worked wonders for me (.75 eod), so I'll stick with that dose this time too and see how the extra test goes.

Let me know what ya think!

[voshi]

oh and bulking by the way. 4500 to 5000 kCal per day.

[Capebuffalo]

What were the dosages of your other cycles. And to have run 2 cycles by 23 is a risky move. But whatever..

[stevelifts]

I have been reading a thread by Swifto that talks about ai usage. i think its more prudent based on what I read to use one from the start. Keep your e2 within normal range. Many were recommending aromasin or arimidex. i think it may make more sense to be proactive that reactive with things like estrogen.

[voshi]

What were the dosages of your other cycles. And to have run 2 cycles by 23 is a risky move. But whatever..

I was 23 for my first and second, yes. Now 24, 6 years lifting. At least I'm not one of these 18yo guys with a years lifting exp. jumping on the wagon right.

Anyway.. the first was:

Sus - 500mg/week (12 weeks)
Tren A - 200mg/week (8 weeks)

I know right, Tren for first cycle WTF. I had no issues and recovered great.

Second was:

Sus - 500mg/week (14 weeks)
Deca - 400mg/week (12 weeks)

Thanks...

[voshi]

I have been reading a thread by Swifto that talks about ai usage. i think its more prudent based on what I read to use one from the start. Keep your e2 within normal range. Many were recommending aromasin or arimidex. i think it may make more sense to be proactive that reactive with things like estrogen.

Yeah I was reading alot about using Letro, already got a ton of it, but running it 2 weeks prior to first pin to let it stablise. I will probably run it anyway, at a very low dose, and adjust it according after on cycle bloods. Strong stuff but I believe you can still use it as the AI for a cycle without totally eliminating estro. Would like to try aromasin, will have to dig a bit deeper with a source or 2.

Thanks man!

[Capebuffalo]

If your gains were good I would stay with 500mgs of test a week
I would bump the tren to 300-400 mgs
Run an AI from the start
Hcg is a good addition to any cycle

[Capebuffalo]

Liquidex from AR-R is great

[voshi]

Liquidex from AR-R is great

Not sure the mrs would let me sleep in the same room if I sweated anymore than last tren cycle.. higher dose more sides? or just the same amount of sweating and insomnia?

Is that just a waste of 250mg a week of test then in your opinion?

and also, do you think a reeal low dose of Letro (ar-r) is still too strong? I've already got it... and it takes 3 weeks to get orders from them to here (Australia)

cheers for the input Capebuffalo

[voshi]

oh and I'm trying to get HCG. that's definatly in there if I can get hold of it.

[Capebuffalo]

Run the tren a ed not eod . Less sides for me that way.
If your going to run tren run tren 300-400

If i was running it I would run Test 250mgs and tren a 500mgs a week
but thats mee

[Lunk1]

That is a hefty Test dose at 750 mg and frankly unneccessary with Tren. This is where your elevated E2 levels will come from hence more sides and risks. Run your Tren at 300 or 400 or 500 as Cape suggested but bring your test doen to 150-200mg EW. This will help elivate E@ sides but you still def. want to use that AI on cycle!

[voshi]

alright I'll take that on board. I'll run the test lower and go with .6 ml ed tren. does sound better than 750 test.

thanks bros

[voshi]

and the letro, do u think I'd get away with a tiny dose of that? or swap it out with aromasin or adex

[Capebuffalo]

I would get dex

[stpete]

The only negative side you mention is the night sweats from lower tren to test. How was your diet?

[t-dogg]

How did you feel on 250mgs of tren? Did you ever run, sprints, cardio?