Very First Cycle

[brandon247]

Im 21, 5' 8 180 pounds. i got 1 vile of deca 300 and 2 vials of tests. i pretty much have no idea on how to do a proper cycle and post cycle.
how much to take of each and how often, iv also had surgery to remove gyno about a year or 2 ago (not due to steroid use) so im very worried about it coming back and not being able to do anything about it, im in the process of getting some nolva (any advice on when and how to take that as well would be awesome).
advice MUCH appreciated.

[Noles12]

Welcome.

Right now I would not recommend cycling as you do not have everything you need to do it properly nor do you have any understanding of it.

I would suggest spending some time doing some research

[austinite]

Welcome.

[pipper0916]

welcome

[brandon247]

ty
yeah im defiantly planing on educating myself before i actually start anything.
my buddy recomended i do 200 deca twice a week (400 a week) and 500 test a week for 7 weeks does that sound right? this is the same guy who told me not to worry about anything post cycle so as u can imaging im very skepical of anything he tells me.
my main concern is the gyno.. and what would be best if i where to start experiencing side effects

[BIGGUNSWANTED]

welcome, you need to ask those questions in the Q and A forum this is just to introduce yourself

[Noles12]

Your buddy has no clue. 7 weeks on long esters such as those is too short

Also a PCT is necessary due to the fact you would be shutting down your natural testosterone production for an extended period of time

[Gigantor28]

I agree with you Noles12. 7 weeks is too short. I'm thinking closer to 11ish weeks would be better.

[juggyk]

welcome

[brazey]

Welcome to the Board...you're also a bit too young.

[fit2bOld]

Welcome, please check out this link: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...g-and-Steroids

And your buddy hasn't a clue bro...

[Far from massive]

As Noles said you would be well served to put aside the AAS for now (actually till you are 25 would be best) and take some time to educate yourself before starting. If you are not willing to wait then at least put the Deca aside and just use the test, Deca is a very hard compound to recover from since it needs to be run for a long time and takes a long time to clear your system. PCT from a test only cycle will be a lot easier to deal with for sure.

FFM

[Chx beach 79]

Welcome! Just read, read, read... You will be ready one day. But it doesn't seem like you are yet! Good luck!

[clarky.]

welcome mate u will find all the info u need here

[Live for the PUMP]

Welcome aboard

[Bouch]

welcome

[marcus300]

welcome and enjoy the forum



There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

[Tigershark]

Welcome.