Advice or opinions on this cycle?

[IsaacTrujillo1020]

Ok so that's what I plan my cycle being but any advice and changes would be appreciated or some minor tweaks by members just advice really, thank you ahead of time.

[MickeyKnox]

This is horrible bro. Do not run this oral only cycle.

What are your stats?

[austinite]

Messy. What are your stats and cycle history?

[MickeyKnox]

I just looked at your age and I think a little more reading and research would benefit you, particularly for someone your age. Its best to know the complications and associated health risks that could affect you should you decide to embark on this journey sooner than later. A few more years to allow your developing endocrine system to finish growing and then perhaps look at using AAS

Take a look at these links and skim them over. I think you will agree that they are both informative and educational.

Cheers and good luck.


The Young and Steroids

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...s#.UHBeIa7X_fs

Nutritional Forum

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdispl...M#.UHNufa7X_fs

[MuscleInk]

Agree with the above. The proposed cycle is a very poor choice.

[clarky.]

Hi isaac you dont run 2 orals at the same time. Running 1 oral is bad enough on ur liver u will do some damage if u run that is this ur first cycle ? if it is its a bad 1 u need 2 do some reading U will find all u need to know here. u wont keep any gain with what u planned.

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

3 orals?

[IsaacTrujillo1020]

Hi isaac you dont run 2 orals at the same time. Running 1 oral is bad enough on ur liver u will do some damage if u run that is this ur first cycle ? if it is its a bad 1 u need 2 do some reading U will find all u need to know here. u wont keep any gain with what u planned.

Yes I know I won't keep a single gain if I run just orals, I have run cycles of d-Bol for 6 weeks to 9 weeks and than injected for a few weeks after to set my gains in concrete so to speak, this was reccomended by a few guys at my gym and I wanted to run it by some members here to see if it was logical or not the thing is I know of a few people who don't lose their gains so self experimenting helps, but from what I can see its quite stupid.

[IsaacTrujillo1020]

3 orals?

i did forget to mention I will be taking some things to help my liver.

[IsaacTrujillo1020]

Messy. What are your stats and cycle history?

This is horrible bro. Do not run this oral only cycle.

What are your stats?

By stats I assume you mean the size of my arms, legs, calfs and possibly major lifts?

[GymRat96744]

By stats I assume you mean the size of my arms, legs, calfs and possibly major lifts?

By this comment shows that you really need to put down the AAS and read, learn an research everything about AAS as you can. Stats meaning age, weight, bf%, training experience.

[GymRat96744]

By this comment shows that you really need to put down the AAS and read, learn an research everything about AAS as you can. Stats meaning age, weight, bf%, training experience.

And post up you diet

[IsaacTrujillo1020]

By this comment shows that you really need to put down the AAS and read, learn an research everything about AAS as you can. Stats meaning age, weight, bf%, training experience.

Age: 20 Height: 6'5 Weight: 245 Pounds BodyFat%: 14% Training Expierence: I have been lifting since I was a freshman in High School for football and wrestling and now I'm a Junior in College and play sports, so again lifting hard year round.

[MuscleInk]

Yes I know I won't keep a single gain if I run just orals, I have run cycles of d-Bol for 6 weeks to 9 weeks and than injected for a few weeks after to set my gains in concrete so to speak, this was reccomended by a few guys at my gym and I wanted to run it by some members here to see if it was logical or not the thing is I know of a few people who don't lose their gains so self experimenting helps, but from what I can see its quite stupid.

Wrong wrong wrong. Your gains are set by your nutrition. Doing a cycle of injectables instead of or after an oral cycle doesn't set anything in concrete. That's as ridiculous as saying you took an oral Tylenol and then some injectable acetaminophen just to make sure the effects of the oral Tylenol would work.

If you thought the guys in the gym knew what they are talking about, you likely wouldn't be here asking for direction. I know a lot of people who have been to doctors for health problems, but would you take your health advice from people who have been to a doctor or from someone who actually is successful as a doctor? Then why take advice from guys in the gym who think they know what to do instead of some of the experienced members here who actually know what they are doing.

[IsaacTrujillo1020]

Wrong wrong wrong. Your gains are set by your nutrition. Doing a cycle of injectables instead of or after an oral cycle doesn't set anything in concrete. That's as ridiculous as saying you took an oral Tylenol and then some injectable acetaminophen just to make sure the effects of the oral Tylenol would work.

If you thought the guys in the gym knew what they are talking about, you likely wouldn't be here asking for direction. I know a lot of people who have been to doctors for health problems, but would you take your health advice from people who have been to a doctor or from someone who actually is successful as a doctor? Then why take advice from guys in the gym who think they know what to do instead of some of the experienced members here who actually know what they are doing.

exactly the reason I came here I have just been told by so many people that injectable a after oral keeps gains.

[MuscleInk]

exactly the reason I came here I have just been told by so many people that injectable a after oral keeps gains.

You were told wrong I'm afraid. "You are what you eat" is exactly true. Your gains won't be sustained if your nutrition is off.

[IsaacTrujillo1020]

You were told wrong I'm afraid. "You are what you eat" is exactly true. Your gains won't be sustained if your nutrition is off.

Well than I suppose my nutrition is good enough to where I keep my gains at least a little, thank goodness for my wrestling coach being a hardass on how I eat.

[IsaacTrujillo1020]

You were told wrong I'm afraid. "You are what you eat" is exactly true. Your gains won't be sustained if your nutrition is off.

So does that mean that I can stick with just Orals and keep gains as long as my nuitrition is optimal?

[MuscleInk]

So does that mean that I can stick with just Orals and keep gains as long as my nuitrition is optimal?

I wouldn't personally recommend orals alone. Most orals are hepatotoxic and the ones you are proposing are highly toxic to the liver. Even with liver supplements there is no guarantee of liver protection against orals. You would be much better off with an injectable, properly run cycle.

[IsaacTrujillo1020]

I wouldn't personally recommend orals alone. Most orals are hepatotoxic and the ones you are proposing are highly toxic to the liver. Even with liver supplements there is no guarantee of liver protection against orals. You would be much better off with an injectable, properly run cycle.

I understand I just feel like these ones especially d-Bol though it may be hepatoxic, I get so much from it. And it's not like I do this a lot just every off season.

[MuscleInk]

I understand I just feel like these ones especially d-Bol though it may be hepatoxic, I get so much from it. And it's not like I do this a lot just every off season.

I understand that but what's your liver worth? You can get just as good if not better results from a properly run injectable cycle.

[IsaacTrujillo1020]

I understand that but what's your liver worth? You can get just as good if not better results from a properly run injectable cycle.

I get your point, so looks like some more reasearch for a good injectable cycle is coming my way, I just always assumed because I didn't do it often and have never abused my liver it wouldn't be to hard on my body.