16 weeks of Primo at age 27?

[CrusherCurtis]

My very First cycle (ended in march):
12wk cycle
test e 500mg ew 1-12
Tbol 50mg ed 1-4
Var 60mg ed 9-12

Time for my second cycle and I really want to try primo. After weeks of research in looks like the general consensus is 800 mg to 1 gram for 16 to 18 weeks. My plan is 800mg for 16 weeks along with test p 500mg for 16 weeks and var for the fist and last 4 weeks. Of course with HCG (250 twice weekly through out cycle), N2gaurd, aromasin (if needed), fadogia Agrestis etc. Planning on going with the same pct i used last time nolva, clomid, ostarine. Though I'll probably add Ibutamoren (MK-677) and drop osta because its suppressive and I don't want it in pct after a long cycle.

My question is concerning how a long cycle will shut me down. I seems like whenever a younger guy (19 or 20 years old) posts about a long primo cycle everyone says he's too young and can kiss his natural test production goodbye. I've always thought that was weird because I'd hate to kiss my natural test production goodbye at any age. Most people take primo for 16+ weeks at 800+ mg along with at least 500mg test. Most recommend at least this to obtain the desired gains. Are all the guys taking primo this way ruining there natural test production. I thought this was the norm. At age 27 is this cycle okay?

[NACH3]

Just ran the same cycle w/out the Tbol kickstart... Plus I've been using Primo for my summer cutting cycles... I love it personally... I know they say 800-
1600mg per wk... But the fist time I ran that cycle after my couple test only cycles I did 400mg of Prop and if not mistaken, I only ran Primo at like 450-500mg/I got shredded didn't gain much weight as with this cycle but my diet and Training weren't in check,and diet is 85-90% if your gains(natural or un-natural)!!

This cycle I did 525mg if Prop(not Test E... U can... IMO - I like keeping short esters w/short esters) 700-800mg a wk of Primo/then introduced Anavar from wk 6 to 12(6-9 = 60mg/9-12 = 80mg ED!
I'm 5'10" 181lbs and BF% is 8%(give/take .5; more on lower side) but also gained 16pounds of muscle... Definitely take your Exemestane ED(usually the consensus is 25mg ed... I had no sides Bro !

I personally like this cycle for cutting a lot...

Good luck Bro!

[CrusherCurtis]

How was your recovery? Do you think you would have been okay with an extra 4 weeks?

[austinite]

Why prop? And why an AI "if needed" ?

[CrusherCurtis]

Prop because I didn't like the time it took test e to kick in last time. AI if needed because I know neither primo nor test prop have a high rate of aromitazation. One my first cycle I was never even close to getting gyno and whenever I took aromasin for more than 3 days in a row I would kill my libido and this is at 6.25. This time I'll take it as needed.

[austinite]

That's just silly

I'll let others chime in and let this one go.

[fit2bOld]

AI belongs in the cycle not just on hand.

[NACH3]

How was your recovery? Do you think you would have been okay with an extra 4 weeks?

Well I think my recovery will be good! I'm in second week of PCT CLOMID - 100/50/50/50 and Nolva - 40/40/20/20 !!

I apologize to youse in the post(OP,austinite,& Fit2bOld) lol... That I also ran hCG 500iu throught entire cycle, and my AI was Aromasin(Exemestane) 25mg ED!

I think I could have run the cycle for the full 16 wks(b/c my BF% was kinda low(BodPod - 10.8 at 164lbs; now I'm 181lbs - BodPod - BF% 8.1%) at end of 12 wk cycle... And Diet was the only thing I really concentrated on the most as it the most important!

I'm not sure at 27 and my second cycle I would be doing the dosages that OP was mentioning but all in all I think shutting down your HPTA for 16 wks is kinda long - that's why I stopped at 12... But that's what I usually do unless on a bulking cycle(which I need) with longer esters such as cyp, Eq, test E!!

Thanks Austinite, Fit2bOld, for reminding me to give exact feed back and necessary to all of OP 's ?'s!!!

[NACH3]

Prop because I didn't like the time it took test e to kick in last time. AI if needed because I know neither primo nor test prop have a high rate of aromitazation. One my first cycle I was never even close to getting gyno and whenever I took aromasin for more than 3 days in a row I would kill my libido and this is at 6.25. This time I'll take it as needed.

Test Is test - meaning it will and foes suppress your Endocrine system and for 16 weeks(you'll be shutdown hard), and Primo is a DHT compound which suppresses your HPTA(your Pituitary Axis) which is just as bad as shutting down anything else!!

Also, this is ultimately why I don't usually(and never did)go beyond 12 wks with this cycle b/c your shutting both down which means maybe more problems recovering!

Just do you realize when one states that Primo is a mild steroid they hardly talk about it's HPTA shutdown... Just that it doesn't Aromatize(2 totally separate shutdowns in Two separate areas!

ARE you really sensitive to AI's?? I ask b/c I had no problems with 25 mg ed and my libido was raging!!! Try Adex... B/c you should take one during cycle as Fit2bOld states! He and austinite(read his educational databases - some of the newest and best s--- I've read) know their s--- to say the least! Lol - they won't nor I steer you In the wrong way - we're just trying to help you with potential side effects mess you up for life! No one here want that!
Good luck Bro !

[CrusherCurtis]

I know test is test. The only reason I'm going with prop is because I didn't like waiting 6 weeks for test e to kick in on my last cycle.
I'm well aware that I will be shutdown by test and primo.
If 6.25mg ed of aromasin shuts your libido down after 3 days means your sensitive, then I'm definitely sensitive. The closest I got to gyno was in pct, I got a little bit of nipple sensitivity in one nipple. Took aromasin for 2 days and it was gone.

That's just silly

I'll let others chime in and let this one go.

Please chime in, whats silly?

[ironbeck]

Your at 8% bf and you gained 16lbs of muscle?!?! with out GH and Insulin

[numbere]

AI if needed because I know neither primo nor test prop have a high rate of aromitazation. One my first cycle I was never even close to getting gyno and whenever I took aromasin for more than 3 days in a row I would kill my libido and this is at 6.25. This time I'll take it as needed.

These statements are what austinite was alluding to as being silly. Test p has an aromatization rate that is in direct correlation with the dose taken. The amount taken for BB purposes will, in a majority of people, lead to significant amount of aromatization. An AI should be taken before gyno symptoms occur. There are much worse side effects from high levels of E2 than gyno. High E2 increases the risk of heart attack, stroke, and cancer. Whether or not you have gyno is not a good way to judge serum levels. Some people can have a high serum levels and never show signs of gyno. Low libido can be a sign of high or low E2. Stane is a a weak AI making it difficult to crush E2. You should take at least 12.5mg of stane ED and have BW done pre and mid cycle to be certain.

The closest I got to gyno was in pct, I got a little bit of nipple sensitivity in one nipple. Took aromasin for 2 days and it was gone.

This was likely from increased level of test. Nipple sensitivity is a sign of increased sex drive which happens when test levels rise. It doesn't make sense that you would get gyno when off cycle and taking SERMs.

[NACH3]

These statements are what austinite was alluding to as being silly. Test p has an aromatization rate that is in direct correlation with the dose taken. The amount taken for BB purposes will, in a majority of people, lead to significant amount of aromatization. An AI should be taken before gyno symptoms occur. There are much worse side effects from high levels of E2 than gyno. High E2 increases the risk of heart attack, stroke, and cancer. Whether or not you have gyno is not a good way to judge serum levels. Some people can have a high serum levels and never show signs of gyno. Low libido can be a sign of high or low E2. Stane is a a weak AI making it difficult to crush E2. You should take at least 12.5mg of stane ED and have BW done pre and mid cycle to be certain.



This was likely from increased level of test. Nipple sensitivity is a sign of increased sex drive which happens when test levels rise. It doesn't make sense that you would get gyno when off cycle and taking SERMs.

Numbere,
You said it... Better than me... But was trying to convey to OP that AI & hCG are needed during cycle!!! Preventative measures...(I.e; keeping E2 levels in check!!!

Well stated!

[NACH3]

Your at 8% bf and you gained 16lbs of muscle?!?! with out GH and Insulin

Yes.. I got my BodPod done about a week ago as I finished up my cycle! But, I also have an injured shoulder which hindered my workouts/exercises etc ...however on cycle was able to strengthen that shoulder which I will definitely keep doing... I'm not gonna say I'll keep all 16lbs but hopefully 10lbs... Seems to be working but I know it's really early in the game!

This is also my usual weight which I don't see a problem keeping now that I can do more w/my shoulder etc! I know I get those ?'s a lot... My Father was into weight training(natural) and had 20" arms and benched 405 and only weighed 190lbs(good genetics too)!?!?

[CrusherCurtis]

^Nice gains btw. I'm definitely going to stick with aromasin on my next cycle (I have a shit ton left from my last one). I just really didn't like my tanking libido.

[artprime]

Do yourself a favor and run an AI for sure. I'd swap the prop for test e. AI on cycle is a balancing act, and what works for one person, may not work for another. I am currently in week 8 of a similar cycle-
Test e - 500 mg/wk
Primo - 400 mg/wk
Var - 100 mg
I run letro at .5 eod. For some people this would crush their estrogen, but for me it's perfect. Actually I tried to lower the dose a few weeks in, and started having some swelling in the hands and feet, bloating, etc. Brought the dose back up to .5 eod and sides went away. Figure out what works for you. Loving the results so far, but if I had to do it again I'd run the primo at 600-800 mg/wk. Going to add some clen at the end to really lean out. Good luck bro.

[CrusherCurtis]

I think you're the second person that suggest I which to test e. Why do you suggest that?

[artprime]

I think you're the second person that suggest I which to test e. Why do you suggest that?

Prop injections are every day or every other day to keep levels consistent. If you are injecting the primo 2x a week, test e would also be 2x a week. Prop def has its place in a cycle, but I think it is better suited for shorter one. At 16 weeks, test e would be the way to go. I don't mind pinning, but wouldn't be thrilled at the idea of doing it every day or every other day for 4 months straight. You're kickstarting with var anyway, so you should feel some effects pretty quickly.

[NACH3]

Yeah he's gotta a valid point...& thanks on my gains/& continued gains while on PCT, I hope to keep 10lbs at least... If not more by eating at a surplus of my TDEE!

I pinned, ED ON this cycle, so ED I would pull. .75mg of Prop, then 1.0mg/cc of primo ED then the var ED, being an oral make sure you use NAC or Milk Thistle(worked well for me)
It def gets expensive running 700-800mg of Primo a wk!

This Is why I chose prop to begin with b/c I stopped at 12 wks ... 16 can be done but like artprime said if you don't like pinning ED and that's probly the best way to do it , u start running outta spots to pin(thank goodness for glutes/& thighs...lol)!

But take all this into consideration b/c once you start there's no goin back... IMO! So if your not big on pinning ED OR EOD, go with test E so you only spike two three times max(with the 3rd being mostly Primo.... If running test E and primo(which I've always used Prop...

So use an AI DURING ENTIRE CYCLE.... And also, run hCG 250iu at least twice a wk - I ran it at 500iu twice a wk!!!

I know your trying to figure this out with advice from other people but You & I are two totally different people whereas side effects can effect either of us differently... Everyone is different causing the effect to be Case Sensitive for a Everyone!! Ya know!!! I would say 12 - 14 wks is sufficient enough... But when you hit that part of your cycle re-evaluate and get BW Done at 10-12 Mark to see if you can go to 16 wks! If your E2 is in range don't change anything but everything else must be in range aswell!

Good thread buddy, and like I mentioned b4 I love This Cycle for cutting and actually gained back to my normal weight... Next a bulking cycle for me!!

Good luck crushercurtis!

[NACH3]

Do yourself a favor and run an AI for sure. I'd swap the prop for test e. AI on cycle is a balancing act, and what works for one person, may not work for another. I am currently in week 8 of a similar cycle-
Test e - 500 mg/wk
Primo - 400 mg/wk
Var - 100 mg
I run letro at .5 eod. For some people this would crush their estrogen, but for me it's perfect. Actually I tried to lower the dose a few weeks in, and started having some swelling in the hands and feet, bloating, etc. Brought the dose back up to .5 eod and sides went away. Figure out what works for you. Loving the results so far, but if I had to do it again I'd run the primo at 600-800 mg/wk. Going to add some clen at the end to really lean out. Good luck bro.

Definitely, run the Primo at 700-800mg a wk next time... Ya won't need Clen... But I too was thinking if adding that in since I didn't hit my goal of 7% BF... I know that's pretty low and a Bi--- to sustain... Gotta watch overtraining at that point! Plus your Macros constantly bring at a deficit , too... Not to healthy for long bouts!

Good luck and keep me posted on the clen... Would love to know how that works during my PCT IF POSSIBLE!! Or if you ran clen in the past...

[tice1212]

NACH3 I've heard the primo is one the most painful injection.. How was ur experience?

[NACH3]

Not bad at all... If anything it's probly the mix w/the prop... In the beginning my thighs were a lil sore! But about 2 wks in it was like butta!

Hey tice1212,
I just pm'd you about Clen while on PCT AS I too, ran my cycle to only 12 wks as I thought 16 at those doses is a long time to be shut down both HPTA & endocrine system as well!!

All in all I live Primo... But gotta worry about fakes... Lots of people try and pass it off as winny... F---in Bastards!! Lol

I put my gains and all in the pm to you about my cycle - in depth(dosages etc) but I used prop and primo - so if pull .75mg prop and 1.0mg/cc ED! I don't mind pinning ED ACTUALLY WOULD RATHER or EOD!!! So if I was to do 16wks on Ida ran test E with the Primo instead!

Not painful like I was imagining especially after my kegs got more meat on em ... Lol