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Why is it so shunned on? Everyone says its not for beginners or novice bb. It's super strong and has huge sides.. Then 2 lines down someone says its the best thing since sliced bread. What's the deal and why is it such a crazy aas? If it is dosed right and ran with test, hcg, proper ai then what's the problem? Just looking for feed back, not an argument. ?
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Mainly because of the side effects, and not just the visual ones. But it is very efficient. And tren ace isn't as shunned on as much as tren e because it leaves ur system faster if u get unbearable sides.Originally Posted by Psaletta
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Well a proper ai..say dex @.25 eod along with test would be doable? Sides are typically night sweats and insomnia.. But it does the job of cutting and producing lbm with proper diet and training of course right?
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Add hcg @250iu 2x a week..
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What's ur cycle history like?
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I've done test e, prop, dbol. I've lined up sust and npp for my next go around, ai, hcg of course but wanted to really cut down, I got and retained good gains and strength from my last cycle but want a more hardened look . A guy I trust on here told me to hold off on the tren so I will but am just trying to figure out its taboo.
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Well I'll b honest with you, it's pretty strong, and the sides fvckin suck (trust me lol) but I took it a bit prematurely most would say, as I know a few others in here have. Most ppl day to hold off and work your way up to it so u get to know ur body a little better when aas are introduced to it and have time to acquire more aas knowledge.
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Don't forget about ur blood pressure and i may b mistaken about this but I think it ****s with ur lipid profile as well
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first of all, adex doesn't do shit for tren. you have to take dostinex, and i would only take pharmacy grade dostinex (cabergoline). secondly, tren isn't for beginners because it is very harsh. i don't know how to explain it, but if i had used it my first cycle, i would be in hell. right now i'm sleeping 3 hours a night and i'm miserable. luckily for me, i'm a part time student, part time employee at a retail store, and i can take long naps on most days. i also just got some pharmacy grade hgh to help with the lack of sleep. i will never do tren again without pharm grade hgh for the entire cycle. the lack of sleep was killing me.
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I was under the impression that tren only caused progesterone gyno which only occurs when there is an abundance if estrogen in the body. And if u nip the conversation of test into estrogen in the ass with an ai off the bat there won't be enough estrogen to cause progesterone gyno
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This is pretty much true. There are a low percentage of ppl who are PRL sensetive that may experience some sides even if E2 is in check..tht's why Caber or Prami shoild be kept on hand. PRL related issues are normaly easy and quick to reverse!
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Good to see ya lunk!
aka "JOB"
Busy day...great work out...busy night. Hopefully now that momma is outa the shower..even busier
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read the tren sticky at the top of the AAS section. tren causes prolactin gyno. adex won't prevent it.
aka "JOB"
If e2 is kept in check then MOST ppl will never experience excess PRL! Proper use of an AI is the best defense against gyno both E2 and PRL related! It is always a great idea to keep PRL control on hand just in case!
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Interesting you say a person has to have dostinex. What if i told you that i've ran tren for 8 cycles and only used it once at dosages upwards to 700mgs EW?
OP- Tren effects everything you do. It could start w/ night sweats and lead into insomnia. Couple that w/fatigue and loss of sex drive, and at that point you're confused. Yes, gains will still happen but you're paying the price. Your appetite will diminish as well. The only way i know to combat some of these sides is to keep test dosage rather high to keep our appetite and other things working as they should.
The reason being is if you haven't experienced some of these sides previously(another 19 nor like deca) you might get scared off AAS altogether not being none the wiser. In other words, the more sides you experience before tren, you'll understand tren stands alone and not all AAS is treated the same.
I hope that makes sense.
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i would say you're lucky.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ctively-thread!
he says he would never take tren without 1mg of caber per week.
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Very informative, yes. But would you agree i'm different than him? Just as you are me?
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yes i would very much agree! but why risk it if you're a first time user? i'm assuming you had no idea you should be taking caber your first cycle of tren, and you accidentally found out you're one of the lucky people that doesn't get prolactin build up from tren.
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What about at a low dosage? Maybe around 75<mg EOD
I am thinking of running it next cycle.
aka "JOB"
There are a number of sides associated with tren that begginers simply are not ready for. The lack of sleep can take a toll, some ppl have issues eating, mostly it's a maturity issue. Tren is known to cause lucid dreams and thoughts that an inexperienced user is not ready for because they can't dis-associate!
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very true. tren is killing my appetite. before i started it, i was eating a lot, and now i've been having trouble sleeping, and then yeah the thoughts and shit lol you kinda start thinking you're depressed, but you gotta be able to realize it's the tren.
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One of the best things to do if you are really having trouble with appetite is run test higher...the other option is injectable B12!
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Umm, so how would a low TA dosage treat you? Approximately of course? Or the higher dosages necessary to see/feel results?
aka "JOB"
No...best bet is to stay under 400mg EW for least sides. 250-350 is a great starter with plenty of gains. think about the X5 rule at 250mg! 1250mg EW test equivalent!
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This is exactly what I thought since that is the way it is compared in strength Vs. Test.
Shit, 75mg EOD sounds great for a 1st run.
Having insomnia would suck complete ass.
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Something wrong w/that test dose? haha..
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OP- have you read Atonimi's thread on tren? If i understand it right then you do not need to use an ai to control E2 as long as you are running a low dose of test as that is the only compound converting into estrogen. I believe the caber is to control progersterone conversion from the tren. I hope this is correct at least from what i've read. Maybe we both need to read his thread a couple more times. I have been looking at tren as well for my next cycle.
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Blahahaha.. Wow.. Is the whole forum on tren (insomnia),I fell asleep and woke up to 3 pages. Well thank you for work thoughts and experiences. The only other thing that wasn't really talked about except for a little bit by Keezy was the mind games. Depression?? I've always had a lack of sleep and decreased apatite on aas but its never made me depressed, or does the drug it's self fvck with your head.
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I just read Atomini's thread on tren... Again.. Very interesting read yet contradicting to a few of your perspectives on it. Nevertheless I appreciate the input. Although this aas has a stigma behind it, I believe once I am ready it will be on the top of my list. Cheers guys!
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I hate to throw in more pharmaceuticals into the mix but Tren insomnia sounds a lot like the insomnia I get with my parasomnia (its a bitch had it since I was 16). I don't ever really go into a deep sleep when I have it, it means I don't actually get the rest I need when asleep. They whacked me on something 10mg a night when needed. Its basically an anti depressant that at that low level of dosage helps flip me into a deeper sleep as apposed to 2-3 hour naps but with none of the lasting affects of anti depressants. Just wondering if anyone has tried anything like it with tren insomnia?
Edited name of drug out; merely inquiring if anyone had used something like this.
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Tren is not for beginners, everyone says for its sides but its not really correct!
1. Tren is only UGL, so no pharma grade. You have to know very well your UGL if you don't want infections or poor results.
2. Tren is constant PIP and sore, and ED injections are freakin crazy.
3. you have to rotate and pin veeery often, so discover new muscles to pin
4. you need a good pinning technique and experience, to avoid infections.
5. there are plenty of sides, like allergy, inflammations sore spots, that actually don't have nothing to do with the hormone itself, but only of the UGL quality
so you see, besides the actual hormone sides that are very strong, you have to fight against many other sides and problems, you won't have with pharma grade gear.
that's why, tren is not suited for beginners.
The other problem is, tren gives you very dry gains, so in a test-tren cycle at low doses, you won't experience any size gains... every newbie expects BAAAAAM like dianabol-deca-sust stack. but its not the case with tren-test. so many may end disappointed after all the suffer.
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This thread is funny. It's like tren is the boogieman.
Take tren-a, with a test base, whenever you think you're ready for it and have done your research. I did tren-a 75 EOD for my second cycle, with caber and TRT dosage of test. Only sides I had was cardio taking a hit and sweating more in the gym....that's it. Not everyone gets insomnia, horrible nights sweats, depression, etc.....but that is why you use tren-a. IF you have bad sides and don't think it's worth it...get off. Now I just run tren-e since it's easier and sides are the same for me.
I'd also note that I wouldn't of done tren for 2nd cycle if I wasn't on TRT already since it shuts you down harder than some other drugs.
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Well said.
The other things people need to remember is that every individual will react in a different manner especially to a compound such as Trenbolone. The vast majority of individuals will tend to experience similar things, etc.
I just want to address this. I'm not telling everyone to absolutely run 1mg of Cabergoline weekly while on Trenbolone. I do reccomend it and advise people to do so, but my statement about myself doing it is only about MYSELF. I personally do not enjoy running Trenbolone without 1mg weekly of Cabergoline. That's my personal preference, choice, and decision, and others may have a different personal preference. Stpete has his preference of running higher Testosterone with Trenbolone, while I enjoy running TRT doses of Testosterone with my Trenbolone. Some also would rather control Estrogen in order to control Prolactin and the body's response to it rather than invest in Cabergoline. That's fine too, as I have mentioned many times that Prolactin and Progesterone related issues can be controlled if Estrogen is controlled (however, some do not respond as well to this method and may require Cabergoline). Personal individual response and preference is what it's all about here.
Also, I don't understand threads like these. We seem to get them every once in a while. But let me please say this, and i've said it many times in similar threads that question Trenbolone's status as a 'harsh' compound that is not for beginners: The idea, as many have already stated, is that one should develop experience with different compounds before moving on to something a little more complex such as Trenbolone. It is a compound that in many people can exhibit side effects that are not seen in any other anabolic steroid, and the nature of such side effects are a little more complex in their pathways than other compounds. The idea here is EXPERIENCE. Trenbolone possesses a list of potential side effects that is unique only to Trenbolone. This is a list of side effects that not everyone will experience, and those who experience it may not experience ALL of them. Blanket statements need to stop being thrown about like this.
In everything we do in life, the idea is to move from basic to advanced. Nobody ever starts off advanced. You need to learn basic math skills before doing calculus. If I threw calculus at you before you had learned the basics, you'd be dumbfounded and wouldn't know what to do! With that being said, yes, many people do make Trenbolone out to be oh so incredibly harsh and terrible but I will say that Trenbolone is nowhere near as 'harsh' or as bad as these individuals claim. But I would never advise anyone to run it on their first cycle. I know people who have, though, and did very well with it. But they are the exception and not the rule (they were also taking some big leaps in terms of risks doing so too).
I also mentioned in another recent Trenbolone thread that Trenbolone is not for everyone. And if the majority of people who are deathly afraid of Trenbolone (who have never used it) had performed adequate amounts of research on Trenbolone, they would have a better wholesome understanding of Trenbolone in regards to its potential side effects, and would not have that fear of it that is so common in the anabolic steroid realm. The problem with people being deathly afraid of Trenbolone really stems from ignorance of the compound, or that somehow the individual does not fully comprehend Trenbolone for whatever reasons. Essentially, it is: fear of the unknown. Education is the key out of the ignorance-caused darkness (and the resulting fear associated with it). If you are an individual that is deathly afraid of Trenbolone, scared shitless of the side effects and think it is the boogyman hiding under your bed just waiting to ruin your life, I just think you need to enlighten yourself a lot more and engage in a lot more reading and research on Trenbolone.
Humans naturally fear what they don't know or what they don't understand. It's a Xenophobic part of our nature that we NEED to get rid of. It's a feature of us that detriments mankind more than anything. It's why we have many of the prejudices we do in this world we live in. It's why so many people are closed-minded and react hostile when confronted with things they don't know or don't understand (or things that clashes and conflicts with their core belief systems).
EVERYONE gets freaked out by Trenbolone and scared at first. Hey, I did too when I first contemplated its use and begain investigating it. But the fear quickly dissapeared only to be replaced by confidence once I had fully educated myself on the compound.
Once again, however, Trenbolone is not for everyone. I love it and I have made it a staple in every single cycle i've run over the course of the last 5 years. But don't go using it expecting it to be the holy grail of AAS, as many will respond very negatively to it even at lower doses, and therefore it is not for everyone. It is also not as 'harsh' on some people as well, and in many cases not as horrid as the majority of people claim. I would have thought my Trenbolone thread would help people to understand this...
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Less test, more tren. That's my rule of thumb. In my experience I love it except the insomnia Part.
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honestly, how many users got mid to big gains, more than 5kg with trt test and 75mg EOD tren ace?
without doing some weird calculation, of loose fat and gain muscle. only RAW gains?
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I've been running tren at. 100mg EOD and test p 50mg eod. Gained 10lbs and bodyfat went from 12% to 10%. I still have 3 weeks in my cycle left. The worst sides for me is insomnia. I'm always tired and have to force myself through a workout which I workout 7 days a week. Seems like no matter what I eat, I'm still decreasing bodyfat. But seriously sleep is just as important if not more important than diet and exercise. After all your body grows while you're sleeping. Tren is awesome but sometimes I can't handle it and want to stop my cycle. But I suck it up and think about my gains and progress.
aka "JOB"
There are so many BS comments made about tren in this thread. Some ppl need to read Atominis thread BETTER! Yes he prefers Caber. If youtalk to him he will also tell you E2 is the key to control PRL. He may take Caber but it's for more than just the reason stated. If you pay attention and read through his ENTIRE thread you will see that he often rec. Caber or Prami tobe kept on hand. Why? Because it simply is not needed in 99.9% of the cases (made up %)!
It sounds like a lot of ppl giving advice on tren with little to no TRUE experience (Pete being an exeption)!
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