12w LEAN BULK (TEST/PRIMO/VAR)

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

My first test cycle log
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=#.T-SB6_FhiK0

32yrs 5'7 77kg@13%bf all other info and history+pics in attached log
My lifts are. Squat 180kg / Deads 180kg / Bench 120kg

My cycle will be as follows

1 to 6 60mg anavar in two doses Ed
1 to 6 150 test e 200 primo e4d
6 to 12 250 test e 300 primo e4d
ai .25 e2d hcg 250 iu e4d

Workout will be a high rep circuit style workout every day focusing on slow twitch muscle fibers

(Squats 50 reps / Vertical push 20 / horizontal pull 20 / horizontal push 20 / vertical pull 20 ) x 5
*after circuit is finished it's time for high rep weak point training

5/3/1 workout on bench/squat/deads every high carb day min once a week

Diet

Breakfast
High Carb / High Protein / low Fat. Animal pak
Lunch
High Carb / High Protein / low Fat
Dinner
Zero Carb / High Potein / High Fat

Upon awaking 6g
Pre workout 10 g of amino acid
Post wo. 10 g of amino acid
Before bed 6g

This is the main concept in every thing details will come later
I'm open to suggestions and good argument of the timing of adding the tiny dose test my cycle and every thing else..........

* before the test cycle I took anavar last year for 10 weeks solo had no sides supression wasn't noticeable got from 72 kg 15% bf to 76 kg 10% bf loved it
* test gave me bad bad bad Moon face minor acne during cycle bad acne post cycle hated it though I got amazing results with test prop solo

Main Goals
* get below 8% bf the lower the better
* high rep slow twitch muscle fiber focus
* improve all week point mainly tricep / upper & middle chest / rear delts and traps / clvs & lower quads
* keep 5 lbs of lean high performance tissue permenantly.....
* of course every thing els but these are my priorities


I'm not a body builder nor do I wish to be one ( thoug I admire huge muscles just not on myself)
Good Luck every one with whatever ur doing........

Ps. Just to make u jealous where I live I get everything of counter at any pharmacy... Hgh gear .....:

[bowldawg]

I'm on a similar cycle. 75 mg var and 100 mg prop rod. I intentionally waited to start prop until about 10 in just do I could feel it alone having never used var before. I'm not sure why it gets such a bad rap. I love var! I'm assuming your low dose of prop is just a replacement dosage? I will say the pumps are a little too much sometimes.

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

I lovvvvve var me and test started on the wrong foot I took 75 mg Ed as a first cycle I got amazing results but my face on cycle looked really funny snoored like a gorilla u could hear me snore from outside the house acne on my face wich I never ever had too much for me I'm trying to establish a new relationship with test !

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

I forgot to say I'm middle of week 2 on var right now.
I lost some fat and maintained my weight
Pumps are amazing recovery is very good I've been doing the cyrcuit ed for the past 3 days and every day I'm fully recovered and feel pumped all day.

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

These are some pics of day1 5month post pct 12 days ago

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

Day 13 woke up today 76.5 really pumped
So lost some bf my lower abs more visible had morning wood so think suppression is still completely absent .

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

End of week 2
77.3
Feeling really good zero sides
Super pumps recovery is really fast
Yesterday was high carb day

[Brohim]

Looking good man. I would say 10 weeks is a little long for an oral cycle though. 6-8 wbb

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

Looking good man. I would say 10 weeks is a little long for an oral cycle though. 6-8 wbb

I'm on the edge here I'm already thinking of starting primo & test e Tom and stop var after week 5 for 5 weeks and then take var In the 2 weeks to pct what do u think???

[crunkee]

i agree on oral cycle being to long.. Liver dont like that...At all..if u are gonna run it that long u better be takin some milk thistle .. some liv 52 ..bunch a
water.. no alcohol..

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

i agree on oral cycle being to long.. Liver dont like that...At all..if u are gonna run it that long u better be takin some milk thistle .. some liv 52 ..bunch a
water.. no alcohol..

I don't drink and I take animal Pak
It has all that and more

I'm actually thinking of

Week 1 to 6 var
Week 3 to 12 test e 125mg+200 primo every 3 days
Week 13 to 14 var
14 to 18 pct

Any suggestions?

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

Took my first mix inj tonight in right calv.
200 primo & 125 mg test e
Gonna take that inj every 3 days
~470 mg primo & 290 mg test EW

[Brohim]

You can keep the var in for a kickstart. I wouldn't use it the last two weeks. Just save for another time and let the primo do the work.

[DigitalGorilla]

I lovvvvve var me and test started on the wrong foot I took 75 mg Ed as a first cycle I got amazing results but my face on cycle looked really funny snoored like a gorilla u could hear me snore from outside the house acne on my face wich I never ever had too much for me I'm trying to establish a new relationship with test !

VAR is amazing IMO.

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

You can keep the var in for a kickstart. I wouldn't use it the last two weeks. Just save for another time and let the primo do the work.

This is exactly what I'm doing I'll take var for the coming 4 weeks ( total 6 ) and primo test for the next 10 or maybe 12 I'll see how I react.
Thx for the input

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

VAR is amazing IMO.

^^^x2 var is for me the best package if it wasn't for liver toxicity I'll see about primo if It has similar properties without the liver toxicity it will be my dream come true steroid.

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

Do u guys think I should start .25 mg imediatelly or at that dose maybe my reaction would be different & the lower bf%
And what do u guys think of imediatelly starting 500iu hcg weekly?????

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

Day 17
Weight 76.2
Sides : /

*started arimidex last night .5 mg eod

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

Diet
I'll eat 3 solid meals and supplement with amino tabs throughout the day.
1 animal Pak Ed


Awaking. 6g
Pre workout 10g amino
Post. 10g
Bed 6g

Totals ~ 2300cal Bmr~1800cal
p270/c125/f65

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

Solid meals

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

Week 3 var week 1 primo/test
Weight 76.7
*dropped some bf so gaining muscle and loosing fat at a slow and steady rate no water weight at all.
*No sides till now
*Injecting 2.5 cc is a totally dif story then 0.75 cc specially in smaller muscle groups
Calves got sore for 3 days each and did 3rd pin in r quad much better.
*Wonder when I would feel the test kick in and if having no bloat till now means anything?
*im really concerned abut test sides and I don't know if this small dose can give me sides?
*I'm on 0.5 mg arimidix eod

[G502]

I'd drop to 0.25mg eod arimidex if you've not got any sides and if any sides come up it to 0.5 again.

Also I think you'll get a bit of bloat when the test kicks in, but not much

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

I'd drop to 0.25mg eod arimidex if you've not got any sides and if any sides come up it to 0.5 again.

Also I think you'll get a bit of bloat when the test kicks in, but not much

I'm thinking of taking .5 e 3rd day with the inj it's easier to monitor what do u think?

[Big Bacto]

Looking good man , your getting leaner and defiantly more vascular . Keep us updated

~BK2~

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

Looking good man , your getting leaner and defiantly more vascular . Keep us updated

~BK2~

Will do man thx .

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

Just wanted to make a statement
I'm in week 4 Oc var and the test e didn't kick in yet and I did a var only cycle last year and was fine
This time I'm feeling extreemly tired and don't have the will to train for the past couple of days so guess its a sign of low test so noooooo for any cycle without a test base!!!!!!!!!!

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

*i'm now waiting for the test to kick in...

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

Though I was really down today I challenged my self popped a caffeine pill and had the best workout in a month I did 10 full body circuits of (5 multi joint exercises x 20 reps each ) with really high intensity.
Pump was and still is insane!!!
I'll post pics every week.

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

Ok guys I take back what I said bout injecting in the quad two days after i was in crazyyyyy pain can't walk can't train nothing
It even hurt like hell while resting
Extreeme pain day 2
Pain day 3/4/5
Light pain / since then....
Pinned the right clv again and it's much better cause my quads are virgins and next pin will be left calv
Is it ok to use same inj site every 6 days for 2.5 cc ????

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

This is day 6 week 2 inj no.5 left clv
Sth really strange happened while I was in the middle of the inj process I suddenly got chest pain and my breath were really short and started coughing like crazyyyy.
I know teen dose that but test e & primo.....strange???

[< <Samson> >]

It went into a vein. . . Never had it happen to me. But, I see it mentioned a bunch of times.

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

^^^ I meant tren

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

It went into a vein. . . Never had it happen to me. But, I see it mentioned a bunch of times.

I thought so but was a straaaang feeling
Thx for the quick reply

[< <Samson> >]

How bad was it?

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

How bad was it?

It was really bad if I hadn't read about it before I shure would have panicked and quit cycling...lol

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

End of week 2 primo/test week 4 var
* weight 76.8
Same weight and gained some solid mass so lost some bf.
*gonna start hcg this week as testicle have shrunk a lil.
*i still do full body mainly bw exercises thinking of returning to a normal bb split next week.

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

End of week 3
Weight 78.1
*test has kicked in in the past 2 days
*libido increased*
*strenghth increased
*a sence of general well Being has taken over with extreme appetite increase it's been difficult to stick to the diet for the past three days but today was a perfect diet day so I'm getting back on track.
*the perfect diet for me is now
Meal1
50g whey + 100g carbs mainly from fruit
Workout
Post wo
25g whey till I get home
Meal 2
4 cups rice 16 oz chkn breast + lots of greens
Meal 3
8 oz of steak

*full body workouts are now performed 2 on 1 off and for the past month I did Eod

Numbers have increased in basic bw exercises
So I've decided I'm gonna continue with the same workout for the coming month also and I'll see from there what I'm gonna do for the final month.
*vascularity and pump are insane.

*this time I'm loving the low test promo mix no sides till now no bloat no spots.....

*overall I'm really happy.

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

This is a pic I took at the gym post workout

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

Here u go

[spywizard]

much more lean...

I'd suggest looking into IF diet, that would mean eating all of your current meals between 12pm and 6pm.... that might help and will shock your system into dropping more body weight..